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Re: musketeer reference material/and how the costume is turning out

Great costumes, guys! Makes me want to break out my old 17th century kit and mod it a bit...

A couple of things I'd recommend for a nice tweak of a musketeer outfit: first off, the boots. Bucket top boots were intended for military and mercenary people - they are riding boots, and the tops were unfolded and pulled up to the mid-thigh when on horseback. When dismounted, tops were folded in the familiar "pirate" fashion. During the 30 Years War (1618-1648), bucket top boots became fashionable, and gentlemen sported them in the cities and drawing rooms.

Cavaliers/musketeers wore spurs with the boots. They were attached with leather straps that went through a butterfly-shaped piece of leather in the front. The shape of spur leathers changed through the centuries, but kept the general butterfly shape. In the 1620's, spur leathers were big, covering a part of the lower boot top, reaching almost down to the toe.

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17th C spurs are reminiscent of some Old West spurs, especially the ones from Texas/Mexico (big, spikey rowels). They point downwards.

Ditto on the matchlock musket, by the way - they were the mainstay of the time. Flintlocks became more and more common during the latter half of the century. As for the pistols, the early 1600's way to go is the wheel-lock, though nice replicas are few and far between.

Musketeers as such existed for centuries. Though if one strives to replicate the Dumas musketeer, I'd recommend to look at late Renaissance/early Baroque fashion. The doublet, with slight alterations, was used from the late 1500's to about 1650. After that, mens' fashion changed considerably; military accessories, such as the high boots, were shunned and the doublet was considered somewhat archaic. Instead, men began wearing shoes and long coats. The rapier gave way for the shorter dress swords. The reaction towards military-style clothing had a natural reason - by the end of the Thirty Years War, huge parts of Europe was burned, looted and generally laid waste - people wanted to move on, forget the atrocities and continue living peacefully (we all know how well that went...).

If one is interested in achieving accuracy, I'd recommend to check out some of the English Civil War reenactor sites. Plenty of nice stuff to be found there. Also, check out the Dutch painters - Gerhard ter Borch, Frans Hals, Rembrand too, for that matter - for great depictions of period clothing.

As for movie reference, the Richard Lester movies from the 70's (The Three Musketeers & The Four Musketeers) are very authentic, wardrobe-wise. Also, they're great swashbuckler flicks!
 
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Re: musketeer reference material/and how the costume is turning out

That one is jsut a place holder, I'm having a hard time finding a replica wheel or match lock that doesn't look like a toy or is prohibitively expensive.


May jsut blow the firearm off alltogether as you don't see many pictures or art work with them armed with anything but the sword/baldric.

Fair dues. I guess it's all down to what impression you're looking to achieve.
The classic film versions of the Dumas 'Musketeers' is all swashbuckle with ne'er a musket in site whereas the historical French musketeer whether it be the King's musketeer or the cardinal's 'Garde du corps' carried muskets.
Of course, it'll be far easier to not have to lug a wolloping great musket around with you ;)
 
Re: musketeer reference material/and how the costume is turning out

indeed, but I really appreciate the input/help, how the heck else am I gonna get better! :p

Gracias amigo!
 
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Gate Keeper, TY for the info, I actually have just gotten an incredible pair of bucket top boots from Re-enactment supplies over in UK, ( i will post a pic tongiht from home) they are all cowhide and fantastic, very similar to the pic except black in color.

You wouldn't happen to have a pick of the spurs attached would you? They have the butter fly protectors, but most spurs now days attach via a different type strap than the around the heel piece of leather.
 
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The boots I got from UK, thye fit awesome and are incredibly well built based on period patterns, with leather soles and all the goods.

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Where did you guys find your hats? I've been looking for one of those but all I can find is the extremely cheap costume versions for under $25.00! I'm looking for something more substantial and hopefully made of wool felt.

Looking good! I've always wanted to improve on my costume from many many years ago! Just need to find it! :confused
 
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You wouldn't happen to have a pick of the spurs attached would you? They have the butter fly protectors, but most spurs now days attach via a different type strap than the around the heel piece of leather.
Nice find on the boots! Made my own from old square-toed western boots with added tops. They looked the part, but the tops were a bit too wide and floppy - never stayed up properly...

I'll try to dig up the spurs and some additional 17th century goodness tonight. GGot most of it stored in the basement. Never attached the spurs, but I'll post a pic of the spurs, straps and spur leathers.
 
Re: musketeer reference material/and how the costume is turning out

Thanks Gatekeeper, looking forward to seeing the spur items, been shopping ebay, and am wondering if I jsut need to modify a modern set to get rid of the button and strap through the spur.


Capn jack, Try here Renaissance Hats from Tall Toad , or here Hattitude I got mine at a Ren faire a year or two ago and can't remember the vendor.
 
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Boot Hose and falling band completed.
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Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

Nice job on the lace! Boot hose look most excellent. Falling bands look sweet too - though the lacing should go all the way around on this kind of collar:

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Great job! Are you going with slit doublet sleeves with lots of billowing shirt sleeve showing?
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

Thank you! Yah I ran short on the lace about 18" waiting for the rest to come in and finish off the falling band. The pattern I used for cuffs was to small and will be redoing those more appropriate to my sleeve diameter at the wrist as well.

Split indeed! if you look close on the black doublet, you will see the sleeves are jsut undone all the way, I am going to strategically fasten the buttons to leave plenty of sleeve showing, and am in the process of a shirt of the same linen I used for this stuff to show through.
 
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Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

SCORE, got me some nice very close to the style for 1600 spurs!!

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Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

Those will look the part. Ususally the problem with Western and Mexican spurs is that they're aften adorned with "Western-style" decorations. These are plain, and bear a strong resemblance to what was used back in the 1500-1600's. Great find!
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

Thanks Gatekeeper, got the spur's in and they look great on boots. Was out for a AFT, but back now and will post up some pics, also pulling verything elese together and it's looking great.
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 4/26

here we are almost complete for opening ren fair day, need to add buttons to cuffs and finish falling band, which I am not wearing, but all in all I am really pysched with how this turned out.

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Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 6/8

Thanks Indy! Who knew sewing doublets was so complicated! :p
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 6/8

Sweet! And yeah, doublets are a pain to sew, especially if made period accurate.

Found a couple of pics of my old kit:

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supposed to represent an early 1620's doublet with matching shirt. Rapiers are an Armour Class Pappenheimer and a generic swept hilt rapier from Leon Paul. Sword belt by a British maker.

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Another shot of the Pap. I sold it some time ago - miss that rapier...
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 6/8

Great stuff here, gentlemen! It really makes me want to get the old gear back on.
 
Re: musketeer reference material/ how it's goin updated 6/8

oh wow! Looks awesome Gatekeeper, and the rapiers are absolutely gorgeous!
 
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