MR Y-Wing

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by Kuhn Global, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. Kuhn Global

    Kuhn Global Sr Member

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    I received my Y-Wing Shipment Notification today. :D
     
  2. Pauleysolo

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    I am seriously considering getting one- please write us your review when you get it..
     
  3. Lynn TXP 0369

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    Cool....
    I'm not crazy about that particular Y-wing's color scheme and pipe configuration.

    I wonder who's going to be the first to redo theirs???

    I've got my arsenal of new tubes/pipes, paint, photos, ETC. all lined up and ready to go and rip mine apart the minute it arrives... :lol Not a second less.. :lol

    Lynn
     
  4. SSRN Seaview

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    I'll get one but not until I see a review in regards to any manufacturing defects and shipping damages. Can't afford to tie up my prop budget until I feel that the product is worth it and ready.
     
  5. luke moonwalker

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SSRN Seaview @ Jun 26 2006, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1268850[/snapback]</div>
    I think the Y-Wing itself will be top notch.... but I'm actually counting on shipping damages. Damaged units seem to pop up as seconds on Ebay cheap as chips. I picked up the SE AT-AT for $270. No snow base or signed plaque, but for a $700-1000 savings, I certainly don't mind :) Got a plaque coming from Wynnstudio.

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    -Jay
     
  6. Lynn TXP 0369

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SSRN Seaview @ Jun 26 2006, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1268850[/snapback]</div>
    Mine could arrive in 50 pieces and I wouldn't send it back. :D

    It will go through a total and complete transformation from added pilot, to complete repaint, to all new and different tubes and piping, so any manufacturing and shipping issues don't mean jack sqaute to me.

    I got it for the bird, not it's collectabilty. :lol

    Lynn
     
  7. Kuhn Global

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    If I am not mistaken, the guys who did the master for MR were Steve Neisen, Doug Mayo, Nick Sainton-Clark, Dan Loes, Ed Minto and Dan Satterthwaite.... knowing that.. I know it will be very nice indeed. Very talented people.

    As I understand it.. even their master was changed a bit by MR,.. though I can't imagine why? Any ideas?

    As Y-Wings go, even though it was one of my personal favorite designs,.. I think we're all lucky it is being done at all. LOL. :)

    I will post a review when I receive it.. along with pics. I would think that we will see much of it as more of us get them in.

    Some of my more important projects are begining to be finished and I will have much to share with you all soon. :)
     
  8. Hand Solo

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    You learn something new every day. The MR Y-wing never came up during our many phonecons...I never knew you were getting one of these.

    I shoulda figgered, huh? :love

    Oh....you should have some new pictures of my current little 'project'. Check your folder. :D
     
  9. Kuhn Global

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Hand Solo @ Jun 26 2006, 07:57 PM) [snapback]1268971[/snapback]</div>
    You learn something new every day. The MR Y-wing never came up during our many phonecons...I never knew you were getting one of these.

    I shoulda figgered, huh? :love

    Oh....you should have some new pictures of my current little 'project'. Check your folder. :D
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    LOL... guess mentioning it slipped my mind. :$ No need to think about the MR stuff though... you will be busy enough with the projects you will be starting in Sept.. :rolleyes

    Saw the folder with your "little project".... very intriguing. Are those Rebel Snow Turrets I see being used? You are one of the most creative and detail talented people I know Bob. It's just amazing what you come up with. "Please sir,.. may I have some more?" LOL....Name that movie.

    Aside from our planned work together...I am very excited to be getting this MR Y-Wing. There is no hiding or slipping of mentioning that today. :D
     
  10. Hand Solo

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Kuhn Global @ Jun 26 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]1269042[/snapback]</div>
    Speakin' o' which...I'm not waiting till next year to put ductwork in the shop for heat and AC. I'm doing that right quick. I worked only about an hour out there tonight...it was 90 degrees. Even with a fan going, I was miserable...

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    Yessir. :p I had them lying around and they seemed just perfect for this.

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    Uh..." A Muppet Christmas Carol " ? Thanks. What do I win?

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    I'd be excited too. Congrats on getting this. I can't wait to read your review. :thumbsup
     
  11. ralphee

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    This is good news, ill be tearing into mine as soon as i can and making good on what ive seen of MR's pics.
    Please more pics of the red jammer. :lol
     
  12. JP05

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    So is it here yet? :)
     
  13. cobywan

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Hand Solo @ Jun 27 2006, 07:04 AM) [snapback]1269045[/snapback]</div>
    Uh..." A Muppet Christmas Carol " ? Thanks. What do I win?

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    Oliver.
     
  14. Hand Solo

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    <div class='quotetop'>(cobywan @ Jun 27 2006, 05:48 PM) [snapback]1269607[/snapback]</div>
    Uh..." A Muppet Christmas Carol " ? Thanks. What do I win?

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    Oliver.
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    Nooo. ;)

    It was the Muppets. I see you have no appreciation of the Classics. You bastage. :p :lol
     
  15. Kuhn Global

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    Well...you're both right.

    Coby is correct that it was in fact from Oliver.

    Bob (HandSolo) is correct in the fact the the Muppets did the Oliver. seen using the same words..lol.

    They're both classics, but only one was worthy of serious praise..lol. I enjoyed them both.:)

    Sorry to take things off track from the Y...lol. ;) I just get cheesy sometimes. B)
     
  16. Hand Solo

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    Well Kurt, we've got to talk about something while we wait. :D

    I know Coby was correct...more so than I. I was just ribbin' him.

    ~Hand Solo: Literate Pastafarian.
     
  17. Kuhn Global

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    LOL... you guys kill me...

    JP... nope..not here yet. I will post as soon as it arrives. Exitement is stirring.
     
  18. Spiker

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    Just found on another site... not so nice :unsure
    The lasertower looks even wronger than the first presented tower directly under the ship.
    The factory paintjob is not too cool. Have to repaint mine...
    Scroll down .
     
  19. Treadwell

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    Wow, no wash at all. Just a bunch of airbrushing that looks like...airbrushing.

    Nice model, though.
     
  20. Hand Solo

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    Dirty. The Y-wings MUST be dirty. Anything cleaner is just...

    So basically this Y-wing has the Gold Leader markings, but has details from the 'Red Jammer' bird and a red R2 unit instead of a blue R2 with a red neck band?
     
  21. ralphee

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    Thats appalling paintwork and weathering on a replica of this price, looks rushed and hashed out.
     
  22. Hand Solo

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    <div class='quotetop'>(ralphee @ Jun 28 2006, 10:31 AM) [snapback]1270067[/snapback]</div>

    I'm hoping the images are of a prototype.

    When Kurt gets his hands on one, he'll give us a brutally honest appraisal.
     
  23. swpropmaker

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    can someone post pics?
     
  24. Lynn TXP 0369

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Spiker @ Jun 28 2006, 12:28 PM) [snapback]1270025[/snapback]</div>
    And thats why mine will be getting redone right out of the box. :lol

    Lynn
     
  25. Kuhn Global

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    From the pics on that other board... it looks to me to be the same as the promo version...

    I don't think anyone has actually received them yet. Mine will most likely arrive the first part of next week and I will post pics and a review. Of course, if someone actually gets one before me, I agree with Steve that pics should be shared if possible.

    If the Y we just veiwed is actual,.. I will have mine re-painted, but will leave the body the same.
     
  26. swpropmaker

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    Guys, the Y Wing pictured was the first proto they received back from the manufacture several months ago. I noticed there were several misplaced pieces that we identified and forwarded the info to MR and hope they corrected them all on this edition run. I do not think this is one of the latest production pieces.

    For some reason once I turned in the master patterns we were not consulted again on its construction, unlike the MR Falcon project where the experts stayed with it till the end. We were never consulted again on its construction or correct placement of parts.. dont ask me why.

    There are some problems with the Y wing in the pictures IMHO. I sure hope they took my advice and fixed them. I emailed these observation months ago when they first showcased this Y. The pieces are accurate.. just not orientated correctly.

    I could go on all day about the process of building the thing getting approval and all but once some one gets one from the actual numbered run lets see whatÂ’s what.

    I promise I will help folks fix anything that is incorrect. Some may not care the proper orientation of detail parts, but I do.

    Detail wise it is really accurate. Overall Size, Shape and kit parts are referenced from the ILM filming minatures, trust me I worked with the pictures and the measurements taken from the archives. Its not 100% accurate to a specific Y wing because they didnt want to copy a certain version.

    They wanted a mesh of the Red & Yellow Y wing details. We actually had several conference calls on which side the neck details go on (They are reversed on the Red Y and the Yellow Y's). Lots of interesting detail here.

    Steve

    IMHO

    Nothing a factory can produce will ever get it close paint wise accurate to the real deal. Get ready to face that reality before hand. I hear alot of airbrushes firing up.
     
  27. Lynn TXP 0369

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    One just posted...
    [image]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/DarthSerious/Star%20Wars/8_JFR_2.jpg[/image]
    Unless they repainted it since these two proto's and paint ups both with distinct painting patterns on the nose from months ago, it is different.

    Lynn
     
  28. Hand Solo

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    One thing's for sure...the detail accuracy seems apparent and the second level of finish quality is much improved.

    I've noted that the red R2 is now the blue R2 with red neck ring...as it should be.
     
  29. swpropmaker

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    I provided MR 2 Proto castings of the Masters made which both were built up and painted hense the picture of the Y on the DS base photo. That is a casting of the masters I provided them and was painted by a MR artist. So you see there are three prototypes floating around out there.

    I think the bottom 2 pics are from the Proto sent back from China. Notice the head is tilted up a bit and has a Blue R2.

    Jason can you chime in a bit here?

    The top pic IS one of the numbered run. Good eye Lynn. Either way the paint job will have to be redone for the studio scale purest. The head seems to be tilted upwards... yikes..

    Standard SCI FI collectors on the other hand should be fine with it. I think its great MR actualy made this project available.
     
  30. Kuhn Global

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    Hmmmmmm....

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....


    This disturbs me a bit. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

    While I know MR does it's best,.. surely it can do better than that picture. And if Steve is saying that the peices were placed on wrong? Hmmmmmmmm...

    It cannot get here soon enough for me to see for myself.
     
  31. rmschneider104

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    Well, I've held off from ordering this so far. Might as well wait to see what the RFP finally decides on quality. Fingers crossed.
     
  32. moffeaton

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    Well, I built two prototypes from those first casts from the final master patterns and laid the pipe work (which was modified a slight bit in two areas to avoid certain breakage in shipping). Both prototypes I built were given the stamp of approval by all parties involved - and yes, it was basically the Red "radar jammer" configuration but with an Artoo in the socket. I painted the body color and markings - basically just the base coats, and then handed both of them off to MR the last week of September, as I was getting married October 1st. Where are my priorities?. ;)

    That's where my involvement on the Ys ended, so I don't have any definitive answers about weathering, final part configurations between those first protoypes and what shipped, or what color the Artoo is. I believe the final decision was to have the Artoo be the blue fella with the red neck stripe, and the cockpit would have the blue canopy with the two body color stripes. Of course, that could have changed any number of times in the past 9 months.

    Last time I was at MR, I saw a test shot from the factory, and it was consistant with what I had sent, as far as markings and paint scheme. So the red Artoo is a surprise to me - but again, there were many Ys in the film, so there's a certain amount of flexibility, conceptually.

    I believe the best things about this replica are still not mentioned much - the t-Track is metal, the wings are MACHINED metal (yeah - crazy cool.), and the piping is now metal as well, I think. Nose cannons are probably machined metal - but I haven't seen this personally.

    I'm really happy that the laser tower is a seperate piece too. I'll display mine without the cannon, as I think it distracts the eyes from the sleekness that is the Y-Wing fighter.

    And as everyone has said a thousand times with every studio scale replica - the factory paint job will satisfy most collectors, but will never match the artistry of a Steve the Swede or Dan S, who will obsess over every nook and cranny to really replicate what ILM did - it's far too time intensive a process to expect out of anything manufactured in quantity. I'll probably repaint mine when the mood strikes, but I said that about my AT-AT, and it's still got it's factory deco, lol.
     
  33. swpropmaker

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    Thanks Moff, good to see a familar face on the Y thread. I remember working with you very closley with the placement of the details for the two protos you built. Great Job by the way.

    I can assure you guys Jason's build ups were accurate to what we had intended the Y to be detail placement wise.

    Not sure about it all until we get more pics in.

    Kurt, no worries... if there are a few details that need to be fixed you do know one of the guys that built the original. :) So in theory, if I correct the parts for you wouldnt that make your Y Wing a one of a kind Artist Proof? Since I am one of the artist that made it :)

    Heres a picture I made of the MR Y wing vs the Red Y from Celebration I took here in Denver. Not bad if I do say so myself. Sorry for th elight glare on the plexi but you can see the details match.

    [​IMG]
     
  34. Kuhn Global

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    LOL....thanks Steve....feeling better already..lol :p
     
  35. Spiker

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    Now hold on your butts, i was just over again at Rebelscum and the pictured Y is NOT a prototype but the final product.... YIKES .
    It belongs to the one who posted the pics and he got his yesterday.
    Now there are several more photos of it: Scroll down again :)
    I don't want to link directly to his photobucket.

    Don't know what to say but i don't like that they obviously ignored Steves adjustment-suggestions.
    I have to get used to the red R2 also...
    The Death Star Tower is removable (phewww).
    Sorry but after seeing that final product for THAT price and WITHOUT a display case i can truely say now: What are they thinking ?
    Would love to buy a kit of that now :)
     
  36. REL

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    If the detail is correct, and it looks dead on, repainting won't be a huge issue I think.

    There's plenty of people on this board that can make it look perfect. Although it does suck that one would spend that kind of money on a replica and then have to pay to have it repainted, or repaint it yourself. I hope the MR 1701 looks as close to John Eaves paint job as possible though or there's going to be a lot of mad people out there.
     
  37. Spiker

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    <div class='quotetop'>(REL @ Jun 29 2006, 08:38 AM) [snapback]1270558[/snapback]</div>
    Actually that is what is bothering me. I guess a kit of this would be in the 350-400 pricerange and you can start right at the beginning to get the paintjob perfect (if there would have been a kit :) ).
    Here you have a 700$ replica that has to be repainted and has no case. According to Steve the detail is not dead on. If the painting shell be great it is very timeconsuming and really not an easy job (look at 1138's thread about his perfect Y-Wing).
    I was on the fence for the SS Probe droid but decided for the MR Y-Wing instead (you can't have everything ;) ) but after seeing this first pictures makes me think that it was maybe the wrong decision.
    I am worried big time now about my holy grail: the Falcon.
    Of course will Dymerski's paintjob absolutly "THE paintjob", but what will MRs chineese workers make of it... *sighs*
    But lets wait, time will tell.
     
  38. Gort

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    Greetings, especially Steve, Dan and of course Jason. I've finally managed to sign up to the forum.

    After spending two years making and re-making the original patterns for the Y, I'm still getting a big kick in actually seeing it as a finished product, even though I can understand some of the concerns over the finish. Like Steve said it is a bit of a miracle that it got produced at all considering how tricksy she is structurally and detail-wise. I think Steve and Jason have done a great job nursemaiding the project through the corporate production machine.

    As far as the original build goes I could never have even got as far as I did without big help from Steve's reference pics and the incredible kit part breakdowns from Dan Loes, Dan Satterthwaite, Doug Maio and Ed Minto.

    So Steve, I know you are up to your eyes with stuff - if I can help you to help any others in regard to the Y-wing let me know. :)
     
  39. Dymerski

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    [/quote]
    I am worried big time now about my holy grail: the Falcon.
    Of course will Dymerski's paintjob absolutly "THE paintjob", but what will MRs chineese workers make of it... *sighs*
    But lets wait, time will tell.

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    Saw some pics a few days ago of the Factory Falcon paint job...WOW. it looks amazing...
    One of the guys involved on the project thought they had the 2 of my Falcon masters in China...thats how close they look. I think you all will be impressed.
    Dean
     
  40. streetjudge79

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    It looks good to me.
     
  41. Kuhn Global

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    Bottom line is that next week WE WILL KNOW about the problems. Then, if needed, I WILL get it corrected by my own people with pointers from Steve and all of you willing to give advice..lol. Always more to do and more $$$$. I mean... I pick up my CC Red 5 this morning and it is sitting at $2k at this point. So the big question is,.. what is it going to take to get a "spot on" and "better than film" Studio Scale model? Maybe I should start a company that could and would do such a thing? There is certainly enough talent out there to do so with you guys and the ILM'ers floating around. But, as always, the problem of keeping costs down to the buyer is always an issue which is why MR does it's stuff in China and thus why sometimes it is not quite what we are looking for, but get anyway..lol. Then again, sometimes it blows up in their face. Just look at the Helmets quality issue MR has been facing for over a year. Dean states that the Falcon reproduced paint-up looks great and I feel I can trust that. Enough rambling by the Kuhn..lol... we will see in a few days for sure.
     
  42. Dymerski

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Kuhn Global @ Jun 29 2006, 03:18 PM) [snapback]1270713[/snapback]</div>
    Now he pics I saw was from a distance...but once again...it looked great.
    Dean
     
  43. Kuhn Global

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    Just got off the phone...

    Word has it that Salzo just got his Y and stated it wasn't too bad, but that there were a few things wrong from the original that MR was given to copy. Also confirming what was stated in an earlier post,.. the wing panels are flipped from the upper to lower right side and the paint job isn't quite up to standard for the detail oriented collector. Also told to me was that there are some alignment and orientation issues.

    I was told that I am going to want to re-paint it directly out of the box.

    I kind of feel like the old days of buying cars... when ya want to get one that was assembled on a Tuesday rather than a Friday because of quality control. LOL.

    If this stuff is true when I receive mine,.. I am going to wonder how the Falcon will really turn out. However,.. ones opinions don't make what another's will be... sooooooooo.... roll the dice. ;)

    Just have to get through the weekend to see the real beast.



    Dan's (1138) Y is AWESOME..
     
  44. Ivanhotep

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    I suppose at worst accurizing a Y is a lot easier than building one from scratch. I would very much welcome a thread on accurizing the MR Y-wing when folks begin that effort.
     
  45. 1138

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    Nick/Gort - glad to see you on the board buddy :thumbsup

    Can't wait to see more pics as people get their Y. The couple of pics on RS I think have confirmed all our concerns about the factory paint job. But as Jason and others have said - there's no way to get this bird right without alot of time and attention. It is a BLAST to paint though, if you enjoy painting.

    Dean - glad to hear about an awesome factory job on the Falcon, REALLY can't wait to see pics of her.

    I like Ivanhotep's idea of an accurizing article. Once we get our Y's, get some detailed shots, point out corrections, provide parts, repaint... sounds awesome to me. If it's constructed as rigidly as ATAT though, I'm thinking it will be very hard to pull it apart to re-position details. We'll have to wait and see.

    I'm chompin' at the bit to get mine, even if it does need a little work.
     
  46. swpropmaker

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    Alright. Now were talking.... Some of the Y wing project Super Stars are chiming in.

    Nick aka Gort, the UK 007 original Y wing pattern man himself lays down some observations... Good to see you on Nick.

    Dan S. aka 1138 mastered the Y wings head, main guns, back of the head plate detail and canopy parts within like a fraction of a millimeter as compared to the actual Studio model. :love dont forget the super article on how to scratch build and paint a Y wing featured in a popular model mag.

    Guys these are some awsome studio scale craftsman here. I'm sure if we all pull it togther we can fix some of the problems with the Y to make it perfect. Not a doubt in my mind.

    Steve
     
  47. ViperDoc

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    Steve,

    Would you please reply to me by PM. Have a question for you concerning some issues.

    Glad to hear things are well with your Mom.

    Regards,

    Dave Wassell
     
  48. swpropmaker

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    OK now were talkin, as some may know im repainting mine into the red jammer, do you all think this is feasible without major re detailing? Im looking at correcting the right side engine panel to the ridge Sat V panel, swapping the sideneck sides and fitting the lanc turret to the R2 socket, but im thinkin i may go further if i can bag some of the kits used on that said prop.
     
  50. Gort

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    Hey Steve, Dan. Thanks for the big welcome. Nice to be aboard the good ship RPF at last :D

    As far as accurising the Y goes, I'm up for it. Hell, I'll be wanting to do the same to mine when I get it. Dan's observation about taking it apart to the point where you can change anything is probably quite a critical issue. Who wants to shell out $800 on something then start prising it apart. - However, where there's a will there's a way.

    My approach will probably be to take a mould off a certain hull componant ( for personal use only I may add), casting in resin then, depending how much alteration is required, re-working that with correct parts and positions. Then re-mould and cast to get a new part that will now replace the original area. That way I will still have the original MR part if I needed to restore it at a later date. Bit laborious, but ultimately a safer way to protect your investment.

    Guess we will have to wait and hear from those that get a Y-wing soon to report on the construction etc
     

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