MR Stormtrooper helmet. Opnions?

[Zenwalker]

I'm not sure the methodology is sound for those color experiments.
Perhaps we should test known lenses and see what results occur from screen caps. Will stunt lenses look green on film? What about TIEs?
Studio lights versus outdoors? There are a lot of variables not considered.
Trouble is I don't think there's any circumstance where the TIE lenses could be checked on film. The cockpits are lit with red lights and the Death Star hallway shots aren't very closeup.

I believe that it may be possible to test some of the Tie lenses for their colour. There are some moments in some of the shots where a bright key light shines into the Tie cockpit for a few frames, these might be bright enough to determine the colour of the Tie Pilot lenses. However, getting a 'read' on the Tie Pilot lenses is not going to change the results already found on the Stormtrooper 'Hero' Helmets. Unfortunately, at the curret time I don't have the resources to conduct a test on the Ties, perhaps Superrune can help us out. I also have a friend who is a professional motion picture colourist . He did the colour timing for some of the X-men films. I 'll ask him what he thinks about the methodology and will get back to you.I did however do a test on Vader's eye lenses using the exact same technique and his lenses did not show any green at all, just a reddish tint. If I can i 'll post my results.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I did however do a test on Vader's eye lenses using the exact same technique and his lenses did not show any green at all, just a reddish tint.

Which is his skin color showing through the grey lenses! :thumbsup

 

[defstartrooper]

JM – I hear what you’re saying but IMO MR is in a different market, and for that market Fiberglass was the way to go.

A fair point Jez but that is not what they said they would deliver neither is it an "authentic stormtrooper helmet" as they state on the sales page.

 

[OldKen]

Umm ANH lens colors:

Vader-amber.

tie-smoke grey acrylic bubble.

TK stunt green acetate.

TK hero-green acrylic bubble.


I think people see what they want to see, but thats what Ive always seen. and thought it was the consensus? :unsure

Jez, GREAT shots of the bucket, you need to send some of those to Amy ASAP to replace the horrid pics they are showing for the presale! :sick


You know what I want to know? didnt they supposedly scan the hero in the archives???

Cause it has ears on it. :unsure

 

[Clutch]

A fair point Jez but that is not what they said they would deliver neither is it an "authentic stormtrooper helmet" as they state on the sales page.

I think you are splitting hairs here. Authentic is defined as 'having a claimed and verifiable origin or authorship; not counterfeit or copied'. So you could call them liars right off the bat.

 

[KevVader]

Which is his skin color showing through the grey lenses! :thumbsup

Nah...I don't believe that...

 

[defstartrooper]

I think you are splitting hairs here. Authentic is defined as 'having a claimed and verifiable origin or authorship; not counterfeit or copied'. So you could call them liars right off the bat.

Authentic was their word not mine hence the quote marks but what i meant was this is not a replica of an authentic ANH stormtrooper helmet.
As much as some people may like the helmet it is not what they said they would produce or what they describe in their sales pitch.
I guess i just feel let down after all the hype and the fact that MR has had original helmets to work off and have every production method you can think of at their disposal should they really have all these issues time and time again with products ? :unsure

 

[OldKen]

I dont understand why they cant make ABS heros made of 4 pieces all cast off of the original in the archive, then include pics of the original saying that this is an exact copy of this helmet... you cant get any closer to the original.

Seems that no matter what the customers "idea" of what it should be should be irrealevent, the product should be an EXACT copy.

If the customers had a plaque or backdrop that had all the info etc. showing the real prop, wouldnt that be cooler even for the previously uninformed?

To be able to say this is an exact replica... and heres why I can say that!

Instead of... yeah, it looks like a stormtrooper. :unsure





Anyone get where Im commin from here?

 

[Zenwalker]

I agree Oldken, would be much cooler to have the ABS 4 part helmet. That is another one of things that bothers me about the MR Helmet, its moulded all as one piece. Isn't there a way they could have made it in fiberglass but still keep the original 4 piece design at least?

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Which is his skin color showing through the grey lenses! :thumbsup

Nah...I don't believe that...

I have still seen much more evidence to suggest they were grey than amber and it was not from screen captures.
However... to fully settle this once and for all, it would be interesting to hear what Kermit Eller has to say about it, as he was the second man in the suit - sadly he didn't mention it in that interview. :cry

I agree that the MR should have been made as the original - by going with fiberglass they should have made the symmetrical version instead. Their original plans also heralded cheaper helmets... and I just can't get myself to spend $400 on a helmet that isn't 100% identical to the original. :confused

 

[UKscout]

Jez

where u able to take pics of the MR helmet along side any other helmets in your collection?

 

[lonepigeon]

I thought the ANH Vader lenses were red?
I doubt they would look that red if it was just his skin showing through amber lenses.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I thought the Vader lenses were red?
I doubt they would look that red if it was just his skin showing through amber lenses.

Then how come the same reddish color is seen through the mouth vent in some pictures? Surely no lenses there to do that.

Definitely can't judge the lens color from the SE or 2004 versions. The old version didn't have the same color correction.

Only in RotS were the lenses red.

 

[lonepigeon]

I didn't even know that was questioned. I had always heard the lenses were red in ANH. They don't look amber to me at all - maybe smoked.
How was the color of the Vader ANH lenses determined? Screencaps? Known original helmets?

PS - The lenses would color his face inside from light shining in. It's not unlikely that red lenses would color his face in the screen openings.

 

[GINO]

Definitely a dark amber color. Kind of a brownish dirty orange.

 

[KevVader]

I didn't even know that was questioned. I had always heard the lenses were red in ANH. They don't look amber to me at all - maybe smoked.
How was the color of the Vader ANH lenses determined? Screencaps? Known original helmets?

PS - The lenses would color his face inside from light shining in. It's not unlikely that red lenses would color his face in the screen openings.

Exactly...

NHM, I know that this theory was put forth awhile ago by "he who shall not be named" based on a photo that he had supposedly of "the" ANH helmet with gray lenses. However, was that photo categorically proven to be genuine? I don't think so....
Several who worked on the film stated that gray lenses were used in test shots of the helmet but were deemed too light by GL...darker gray was used, still too light. Then a dark amber was decided on. And this isn't based on only Dave Prowse's recollection...as fuzzy as that may be at times.

And even if the tour helmet had gray lenses installed when Eller wore it, whose to say that they weren't switched out after the fact so he had better vision when on tour and didn't step on a kid while in costume?

Too many "what ifs" to categorically say that they were gray during filming....more evidence points to the amber colour.

Anyways, back on topic....MR Trooper....yeah, can't wait to see the production version.

 

[Predatormv]

So at CIV I got to talk to the president of products and distrubution about the TK bucket they will be releasing.

He said that they are very interested in our opnions here at the RPF on what was wrong with it and what they could do to fix it. I was hopeing they were going to have one at CIV that I could get pics of but he said they didn't since they were trying to correct the problems everyone was having with it.

He also said that the helmet will come with both grey and green lenses that will be able to swap out at the owners choice so you can decide for your self what you want in there.

 

[Treadwell]

TMK the amber thing first surfaced in an account by Darth Jones in which he claimed to have seen an original eye lens in the Archives.

 

[Zebardee]

I was kind of hoping for a idealised version myself

 

[defstartrooper]

I was kind of hoping for a idealised version myself

That's what it is :unsure