MR Rocketeer Helmet NOW AVAILABLE? Are they fixed?
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Lukes Roommate
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The "squish" honestly doesn't bother me, in fact I like it.
I'd always figured the helmet looked a little wide to begin with (screen-used one).
I'd always figured the helmet looked a little wide to begin with (screen-used one).
Darth Chetta
Active Member
So.. is it just me.. or has the front edgeof the fin been moved up HIGHER on the new release? Looking at the MR publicity photo (and having my own resin helmet..EXPERTLY painted and done by Dualege..thanks again BTW) The front of the fin comes down almost to the two inside rivets on the eyes. On the first release of the MR helmet it looks lower..but the new ones look too high on the helmet.. Is this distortion? or does everyone else see that too?
Josh
Josh
St. Matticus
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It does look better than the first wave, actually it's quite the beautiful helmet.. Not very accurate compared to the Hero though. The trick is not to get one off of e-bay cause you'll likely get one o' the old batch. Order directly from MR or some one who can some how guarantee that it is from the new "wave". I'm still excited about my resign one on the way. But having the metal one will be nice to add to my collection...Got to save more Knuts.
jvasilatos
Sr Member
Why spend an entire year to put it out again without taking into account the biggest complaint in the width?
Ugh.
JV
Ugh.
JV
jvasilatos
Sr Member
Why spend an entire year to put it out again without taking into account the biggest complaint in the width?
Ugh.
JV
Ugh.
JV
redshirt
Sr Member
The comparison pics here may not be a good way to judge it. Pics can be off if p1x4r's photos of the MR helmet were taken closer in with a wide angle lens (common to most digital cameras)Â…the sides wouldn't show as much because of the wide angle and closeness. Most publicity photos are taken further away (10 feet) from the object and don't use a wide angle lensÂ…too much distortion on the images then.
Does anyone have a real hero to compare it against? I'd like to see MR side by side against a real screen used hero.
Tom
Does anyone have a real hero to compare it against? I'd like to see MR side by side against a real screen used hero.
Tom
Thanks for posting so many photos of your bucket, p1x4r. Your shots give me a good idea of the helmet, inside and out.
The bucket is beautifully finished and a lovely piece for the casual fan.
But, like others, I wish that MR had addressed the problem of the width. If they had, this replica would have appealed both to casual and diehard fans.
The bucket is beautifully finished and a lovely piece for the casual fan.
But, like others, I wish that MR had addressed the problem of the width. If they had, this replica would have appealed both to casual and diehard fans.
<div class='quotetop'>(redshirt @ Nov 16 2006, 03:22 AM) [snapback]1358684[/snapback]</div>
I tend to agree with this. Could this be another case of camera distortion? The right lens with the proper distance from the camera, could bring much more of the sides into view.
I tend to agree with this. Could this be another case of camera distortion? The right lens with the proper distance from the camera, could bring much more of the sides into view.
dualedge
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(redshirt @ Nov 16 2006, 03:22 AM) [snapback]1358684[/snapback]</div>
Actually, I've both owned and finished kit versions of most of the helmets commonly available and photographed them in comparison to an original hero so the width issue I can verify is quite accurate. That's also why I suggested earlier when photographing, stand back and zoom in. It's the only way to get a decent photo of the width of a helmet. Here's a pic that'll help - I was about to post it anyway but I see we were thinking along the same lines. Even with the slight shift in perspective, you should be able to get a clear idea of how narrow the MR helmet is. (And that's a "first wave" MR version of course...)
As far as accuracy is concerned, you can tell the original is painted resin, the shape of the air intakes is pretty different, shape of the eyes is different, placement and some details about the fin is different, weld lines are drastically different and overall size is smaller. The width issue is by far the thing that bugs me the most accuracy wise.
Again, I always like to repeat, I think the MR helmet is a great buy for the money. Every kit version has it's inaccuracies but you can't beat the cool factor of having a metal helmet. For accuracy purists, a kit version is better. For more casual fans, I think the MR is a great buy.
Actually, I've both owned and finished kit versions of most of the helmets commonly available and photographed them in comparison to an original hero so the width issue I can verify is quite accurate. That's also why I suggested earlier when photographing, stand back and zoom in. It's the only way to get a decent photo of the width of a helmet. Here's a pic that'll help - I was about to post it anyway but I see we were thinking along the same lines. Even with the slight shift in perspective, you should be able to get a clear idea of how narrow the MR helmet is. (And that's a "first wave" MR version of course...)
As far as accuracy is concerned, you can tell the original is painted resin, the shape of the air intakes is pretty different, shape of the eyes is different, placement and some details about the fin is different, weld lines are drastically different and overall size is smaller. The width issue is by far the thing that bugs me the most accuracy wise.
Again, I always like to repeat, I think the MR helmet is a great buy for the money. Every kit version has it's inaccuracies but you can't beat the cool factor of having a metal helmet. For accuracy purists, a kit version is better. For more casual fans, I think the MR is a great buy.
The points about focal length and image distortion are valid and worth consideration. But some of p1x4r's shots show the Rocketeer helmet beside an MR Shock Trooper helmet, and the Trooper helmet does not look distorted to me (doesn't appear to be "narrow"). Unfortunately, I'm guessing the issue of squishing with the Rocketeer lid is not merely a problem of focal length.
{EDIT} I see that p1x4r and dualedge have already confirmed that the squishing isn't just optics.
{EDIT} I see that p1x4r and dualedge have already confirmed that the squishing isn't just optics.
Lukes Roommate
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I have both a resin version, and now have the MR one on it's way. I've always wanted a metal one (had one priced years ago at around $2500), so I can accept any little inaccuracies, though I don't want any of the flaws inherent in the first batch...
dualedge
Sr Member
This comparison should illustrate the issue with optical distortion. These photos were taken with the same camera and are of the same helmet shown above. The left is taken up close (and obviously from a higher angle), the other is taken farther away. This should illustrate why optical distortion is important in the discussion of this width issue but for what it's worth, I've taken great care to avoid posting comparison pics that are obviously distorted for just this reason. As you can probably see, I've been dealing with this issue for a pretty good while.
dualedge
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Lukes Roommate @ Nov 16 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]1358850[/snapback]</div>
Take my two cents for whatever it's worth but I think the overall effect is more cumulative than anything else. None of the details alone bother me a lot except for the width issue. But overall I personally think all of those little things do affect the look significantly. Of course, I've been obsessing over this thing for the past decade so I think I tend to be much more of a purist than your average rational individual should be
And despite all that, I like most of the versions of replicas that have come out with maybe the exception of the nauseatingly bad Frontier models version. I just wish the MR version didn't have quite so many accuracy issues. Despite all that, you just can't beat a $350-$400 metal version for coolness.
<div class='quotetop'>(micdavis @ Nov 16 2006, 11:03 AM) [snapback]1358872[/snapback]</div>
I don't remember the exact dimensions but I want to say the MR helmet I got to check out was something around 1.5-2 inches too narrow from side to side at the neck opening.
Take my two cents for whatever it's worth but I think the overall effect is more cumulative than anything else. None of the details alone bother me a lot except for the width issue. But overall I personally think all of those little things do affect the look significantly. Of course, I've been obsessing over this thing for the past decade so I think I tend to be much more of a purist than your average rational individual should be
And despite all that, I like most of the versions of replicas that have come out with maybe the exception of the nauseatingly bad Frontier models version. I just wish the MR version didn't have quite so many accuracy issues. Despite all that, you just can't beat a $350-$400 metal version for coolness.<div class='quotetop'>(micdavis @ Nov 16 2006, 11:03 AM) [snapback]1358872[/snapback]</div>
I don't remember the exact dimensions but I want to say the MR helmet I got to check out was something around 1.5-2 inches too narrow from side to side at the neck opening.
Darth Chetta
Active Member
HAs anyone else recieved theirs? It will be interesting to see if MR made this second wave consistent. The first wave had that horrid wash that was applied so poorly.. Lets see some pics...
Josh
Josh
Rocketbobs
Well-Known Member
Another thing to consider with the MR helmet is most of the marketing pictures of the helmet are actually of a resin casting of a real Rocketeer helmet not the metal one they produced. Every picture of it on Ebay from is of a casting of a real screen used helmet not the "copied by eye" metal version they are selling. That is the real probelm with the MR helmet in my opion. Actual product may vary indeed.
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