Mooncrest Models 3rd & 7th Doctors Tardis Key Review

Straker

Sr Member
Hi all!

Not too long ago, maybe about 8 or so years ago I started in earnest to collect Tardis keys of various types from Doctor Who. This has led me to buy replicas from many builders. About two years ago I had come across a company called Mooncrest Models that had released a replica of the 7th Doctors Tardis key and then shortly after, the Pertwee key. Since then, thanks to RPF members doing some digging such as Great Wazoo and Mooneye as well as the blog of Purpleblancmange seen here: Pertwee versus Baker TARDIS Key. « PurpleBlancmange , we finally all got a good look at the back of the Pertwee Tardis key AND thanks to this blog: Making My 7th Doctor Costume: Bonhams auction - 29th June 2011 -the viewing By the user Pumpkiny we were also able to see the scale of the McCoy key sitting right next to the original Mooncrest Models McCoy key and thankfully, so was Gary from Mooncrest. It was with these pieces of reference materials that Gary was able to rework his keys from scratch and release his newest incarnations of the Pertwee and McCoy keys that I will be reviewing here. These are probably the first prop accurate keys of their type to be readily available to the general public from both Mooncrest's web site as well as eBay. I deliberately waited a good week before making this review as I wanted to make sure I spent time with them in hand and in pocket on chains and stuff we prop enthusiasts like to do so I could see what sort of wear there is and really give you a bit more than Just my first impressions.

We're going to start with the Pertwee key as that's the most well known key since that's the key most companies that made keys under license have replicated or TRIED to at any rate and also because the McCoy key barely got any screen time in comparison.

First here's a shot of the front and back reference material that was found by Great Wazoo:
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There are a few details much of the public was unaware of, such as the way the arms are only a part of the front of the key and the lower edge of the keys curve has a step in it. This was due to the dual layer of the keys construction. Evidence of this can be seen here:
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Because of this detail being obscured both by folks that own the original prop keys and by people that own the rare keys that were cast from the screen used keys such as those from the Jon Pertwee Fan Club, so they can protect their investments (and maybe to hold it over the heads of other fans to say "I know something YOU don't know!") we haven't had much information on the back of this prop. Now however thanks to the above pictures dug up by Great Wazoo and Purpleblancmange, Mooncrest Models was able to present us with this:
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It's VERY close to the original prop key and even replicates the damage currently seen on the key. This key was also rescaled from the original Mooncrest key in that thanks to the picture of the Mooncrest McCoy key sitting next to one of the original prop keys and another picture of one of the original McCoy keys sitting next to the original Pertwee key as well as both pictures being a direct head on shot, measurements could be extrapolated for both keys to be more accurately sized. This means the new Mooncrest Pertwee is a bit smaller:
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And the original key is a bit bigger. Also the assumed placement of the constellation on the original Mooncrest key is a bit off based on what little reference material Gary had at the time. There's a few other differences as well. The new key has a much more crisp and hard edged finish to the sculpt:
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The patterns are much cleaner and more well defined, so this isn't just an update to the accuracy, it's an update to the quality as well. On top of that the key is made in two layers of material so even though the key is smaller it's actually heavier than the previous key. This mainly has to do with the layers initial thickness before being put together. As seen here:
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The screen used key is relatively thin. Now the new Mooncrest key next to their original:
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And you can see the new keys individual layers are as thick as their original key. That's not to say it's bad mind you, as it will be pretty durable at that thickness and one of the fears I've heard is that if it was any thinner it may be easier to bend the arms as these keys, while made of lead-free pewter, are still made of pewter, which is a softer metal. I can assure you though that I have kept my original Mooncrest Pertwee on the same jump ring and chain for about two years. It's been in my pocket with loose change and in my back pocket with me sitting on it. It's been swung around on the chain around my hand and dropped. The MOST damage it's taken is this:
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Only the hard edge of the hole at the top of the key as worn round with the roundness of the jump ring I used. Originally these didn't come with a jump ring and were strung on a bead chain. I can tell you that even though the bead chain is smooth it might as well be a chainsaw to the softer pewter metal which is why I added one and why many keys that people didn't add one to are typically ripped open. These new keys DO come with a jump ring though so you're in good shape, however I find the brass rings used by Mooncrest to be a bit too soft for my liking as they can be bent open very easily. I suggest a non-plated steel ring as the type I used on my Pertwee keys or, as I used on my McCoy key, a thicker brass wire which I bent into a ring around a 1/4" steel rod, then cut and bent closed onto my McCoy key. I also swapped my Pertwee key's chain with a stainless steel claspless curb chain though I had decided to keep my McCoy key on the provided chain which is an aged 2mm steel chain which is slightly rusted that I rather liked and is much nicer than their previous bead chain. Your mileage may vary.

Speaking of the McCoy key:
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Thanks to Pumpkiny's blog as well as the work of Mooneye we were able to get a look at the back of McCoys key from last years Bonham's auction of the key. It was through Pumpkiny's blog that Mooncrest was able to get a look of his previous McCoy key next to that particular prop of the McCoy key to not only resize the key but to also make it more accurate and include the back of the key which brings us to this:
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Mooncrests McCoy key is now very close to the prop key and now features the six star constellation that until the auction was known to few. Some may call it plain but I think it's beautiful. If there may be one nitpick it's that it may not be as smooth in some areas as the original prop key but I don't think it's enough to call it a point against it. Certainly the rough look of the Seal of Rassilon matches the slightly eroded look to the original painted resin prop in that it has visible air bubble details and void spots from the seal but when compared to his original McCoy key:
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You can see though the seal on his original key has a smoothness that matches more to the original prop, however, between being appropriately scaled and of course being a metal rather than resin makes it well worth the price and I have to point out the roughness adds some amazing in hand detail that makes the original prop keys it's based on look more bland if anything and adds some much needed detail for the naked eye that the original prop was sorely missing IMO.

There's not much more to say on the McCoy key really. I don't have anything else to compare the McCoy key to except for the first McCoy key I bought on eBay before coming to the RPF. I had to look for it though because I basically threw it in some junk when I found it was a recast (and a BAD one) of RPF member Megatrons original McCoy key.
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Recast is obviously on the left. I don't know how well it represents the actual size of Megatrons key as being a recast it probably has some serious mold degeneration going on but I just wanted to say that if it IS the same size as Megatrons key than Megatron really got the scale very close to the real key prop as well as Megatrons key being one of the first to have an all flat back with a constellation, so kudos to you Megatron. You and Mooncrest probably have made two of the best McCoy keys, especially when you consider that pretty much almost all the other McCoy keys outside of Mooncrest and a couple very limited McCoy key replicas I've seen here and there, the rest, especially the more readily available ones on eBay are all based on Megatrons McCoy key whether they know it or not. That's a story for a different thread though so that's all I'll mention here.

Final thoughts:

Buy them. That's it. No really, no matter what, they are indeed worth the money and despite some minor variations from the original props they really are some of the closest we've gotten and even if someone makes even MORE accurate keys than these I think these will be great pieces to keep in any fan collection out there especially if you're like me and like to own examples of different modellers workmanship.

If there's anything I wish could come from Mooncrest next, it's a Pertwee without the simulated damage as the original prop to be a 4th Doctor key. According to Purpleblancmange's blog post, the key used by Tom Baker was cast from the same mold as Pertwee's key making it basically the same and while I do think it's fine to use this key as Tom's key, I would like to see some variations from the Pertwee version such as more symmetrical cross arms and maybe some of the front and back parts of the keys shapes matching each other more or even if the key was cast in a single piece. Just something to say "here's a 4th Doctor key" to add to his inventory without just having this particular key be both keys.

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Both keys are available on Mooncrest Models web site here:
http://www.mooncrest-models.co.uk/costume prop replicas.htm
As well as their eBay store here:
http://stores.ebay.com/Mooncrest-Models?_trksid=p4340.l2563


Thanks for reading! Please leave a comment or ask a question.
 
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This is a great review with some fantastic pictures. Just goes to show what we can achive when we all work together :) thanks to all for the hard work & huge thanks to Mooncrest for these beautiful key.

Now come on BBC & give the man the licence!

Cheers Straker :)

Mooneye
 
Looking at the pictures on Mooncrest's site of the keys they appear bronze or coppery. Is that just a color correction issue or is he making them that way? You pictures here appear the dull silver that we're all used to see.
 
This is a great review with some fantastic pictures. Just goes to show what we can achive when we all work together :) thanks to all for the hard work & huge thanks to Mooncrest for these beautiful key.

Now come on BBC & give the man the licence!

Cheers Straker :)

Mooneye

I wish they would give him license XD I'm only afraid they would make him stamp them with a BBC Copyright logo XD

Excellent write up and great pictures. I'm glad I could help you with this.

Thank YOU Wazoo. ^_^

Looking at the pictures on Mooncrest's site of the keys they appear bronze or coppery. Is that just a color correction issue or is he making them that way? You pictures here appear the dull silver that we're all used to see.

That's just a trick of the light on his pictures. They are indeed a metallic gray color and not a bronzy color. I seem to remember that being the reason people thought the McCoy key was bronze colored when they first had seen pictures of it on Doctor Who Props' web site here: http://www.doctorwhoprops.com/dw_images/tardis-key.jpg . But no, both that key and Mooncrests keys were photographed under some warm colored lighting and they only appear bronze in color but I use cooler lighting and they are indeed gray like any pewter.
 
Yeah Black Thorn also mentioned the copper look on the ebay pictures.

Totally agree re the '4th Dr' key, I'd be happy to see a clean armed versiod, cast as one piece. Who knows, if anough people request it, it may happen?
 
Yeah Black Thorn also mentioned the copper look on the ebay pictures.

Totally agree re the '4th Dr' key, I'd be happy to see a clean armed versiod, cast as one piece. Who knows, if anough people request it, it may happen?


Yeah, when I first contacted the owner of the key on Doctorwhoprops.com I had asked about it and they told me that while they couldn't divulge what was on the back of the key or how big it was, they were more than happy to tell me they just took a bad photo of the key and that the props were cast in resin and painted black and then dry brushed with a graphite paint to add the metallic look to them.

As for Gary's pictures, I'm thinking of offering to color adjust the pictures for his auctions. XD

I actually haven't asked him about making a 4th Doctors variant yet but i should mention it to him sometime.
 
well thank you guys you are all really too kind, i am glad you like what i have tried to do, i always try to make the sort of things that i would want to buy and own, in fact for the most part the reason i make the things in the first place is because they are for me, then i offer it to other people to see if they want them too, i am thinking about doing a tidier version of the Pertwee key for a baker version, but in one cast? i am not sure what that really means? it will have to be an entirely new made key though any thoughts are always welcome
 
Not long before joining this forum I had got a set of the Mooncrest keys from eBay.
I can echo the sentiments of this review, they are very good.

When I contrast the Pertwee key with a cheap one I got a year or so ago it has much more detail. The cheap one just looks shoddy next to the Mooncrest one.

If anyone is after some Tardis keys then I think these Mooncrest ones are definitely worth considering.

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=147824/
 
Great review there Straker, really glad to see the key color in your pics as I was hoping it was just camera trickery. Really cool to be able to read complimentary things here while my keys are in the mail on their way to me.

Gary, I have to agree with Straker here that if you would consider offering a "Baker" key with these changes (below) I'd buy that one too for sure. You're work is really beautiful, so to have the key be symmetrical in the crossbar, overall spade shape and step would be fantastic. Definitely not a replacement of your Pertwee though, just an idealize Baker key.

If there's anything I wish could come from Mooncrest next, it's a Pertwee without the simulated damage as the original prop to be a 4th Doctor key. According to Purpleblancmange's blog post, the key used by Tom Baker was cast from the same mold as Pertwee's key making it basically the same and while I do think it's fine to use this key as Tom's key, I would like to see some variations from the Pertwee version such as more symmetrical cross arms and maybe some of the front and back parts of the keys shapes matching each other more or even if the key was cast in a single piece. Just something to say "here's a 4th Doctor key" to add to his inventory without just having this particular key be both keys.
 
well thank you guys you are all really too kind, i am glad you like what i have tried to do, i always try to make the sort of things that i would want to buy and own, in fact for the most part the reason i make the things in the first place is because they are for me, then i offer it to other people to see if they want them too, i am thinking about doing a tidier version of the Pertwee key for a baker version, but in one cast? i am not sure what that really means? it will have to be an entirely new made key though any thoughts are always welcome

I think making something we ourselves would want to own is the reason why we build. I know that I wanted to actually own my own sonic screwdriver. I figured anyone that wanted one as well could jump in and buy it. It's that quality we would want to own and the perfectionism that you put into your own key that makes it so good to have.

As for the Baker variation, what i mean is that you take the two parts, then put them together and THEN make a mold off of that and cast the Baker version as one piece, just to make it different than the Pertwee version. I'm not 100% sure but it seems that that was how the Baker version was made.



Great review there Straker, really glad to see the key color in your pics as I was hoping it was just camera trickery. Really cool to be able to read complimentary things here while my keys are in the mail on their way to me.

Gary, I have to agree with Straker here that if you would consider offering a "Baker" key with these changes (below) I'd buy that one too for sure. You're work is really beautiful, so to have the key be symmetrical in the crossbar, overall spade shape and step would be fantastic. Definitely not a replacement of your Pertwee though, just an idealize Baker key.

Yeah that was just the lighting. I tried to use natural and cool lighting so you can see the real color on these pics.

Exactly! It would just be a nice additional piece in the Doctor Who Tardis key evolution to add to the collection.

Another thing that would be great to see Mooncrest make is the 800-TREKKER Tardis key for all the 8th Doctor fans out there. That is such a hard to get piece that something to finish off the set of special Doctor keys would be great.
 
Yeah I echo that re the Baker version. I think that would make it different enough as a single molded piece & would be very happy with a copy of that please :)

Yep a trekker key to complete the collection (after the Baker) would be a great idea. Plenty of ref photo for that baby!
 
Yeah I echo that re the Baker version. I think that would make it different enough as a single molded piece & would be very happy with a copy of that please :)

Yep a trekker key to complete the collection (after the Baker) would be a great idea. Plenty of ref photo for that baby!

Hell I can take as many measurements off of mine as he would want to make the Trekker key. XD
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I was SO lucky to find one. XP
 
So I got my McCoy key yesterday and last week got the Pertwee key. I am very happy with both. I agree that the McCoy would be smoother in the seal, but it's not enough to make me worry about it. That said if a new one ever comes out, I'd pick it up.

When I get my 800-Trekker key back from being on loan I'll take pics of the collection. Actually, I may wait a tad longer as I have some other pieces coming in and I think I will finally join in on the Doctor Who props thread with my stuff. Might be a bit of a wait though :/
 
So I got my McCoy key yesterday and last week got the Pertwee key. I am very happy with both. I agree that the McCoy would be smoother in the seal, but it's not enough to make me worry about it. That said if a new one ever comes out, I'd pick it up.

When I get my 800-Trekker key back from being on loan I'll take pics of the collection. Actually, I may wait a tad longer as I have some other pieces coming in and I think I will finally join in on the Doctor Who props thread with my stuff. Might be a bit of a wait though :/


Awesome! I would still recommend swapping the little brass jump rings he uses with something thicker and steel or if you have an Ace that carries some thicker brass wire, making a new one. That's what I did with My keys and they work better.

Lol, I have to update my pictures soon as well. I'm just finishing a Series 3 "Sound of the Drums" chipped key complete with a real SIM card to add to my set first. I need to hit the local electronics store to get the resister and chip first though. I think I'm up to 30 variations of keys so far if you include my Yale type keys. I think I've got all the licensed replicas now that I got the 800-TREKKER key. It's going to be a big picture XD
 
Yeah I agree about the brass rings as they do seem really soft. I hope to pic up some new ones today. I really like the chain on the McCoy key though, it looks accurate to me, even the length, so I plan on replacing the ring but keeping the chain. I did replace the chain on the Pertwee key however, but I am going to replace that one now with a rolo (ring link) chain I got off ebay. Assuming the size is to my liking.

I just saw your Sound of Drums key, you did a nice job there for sure. I'm planning doing the same for my collection as well.

I like having all the keys I do, but I'm thinking I may keep my display to "Screen accurate" keys for a while. Which removes my close enough Yale style keys, the BBC and Sci Fi Collector key as well as my Megatron McCoy key. We'll see how long I last with that ;)
 
I picked up one of each as well- very impressed with these - love the detail, happy to add to/upgrade my previous keys with these. Two thumbs up- and agree about replacing the chain.
 
Yeah I agree about the brass rings as they do seem really soft. I hope to pic up some new ones today. I really like the chain on the McCoy key though, it looks accurate to me, even the length, so I plan on replacing the ring but keeping the chain. I did replace the chain on the Pertwee key however, but I am going to replace that one now with a rolo (ring link) chain I got off ebay. Assuming the size is to my liking.

Yeah, if you like the look of the brass rings he used I'd recommend getting some 1mm brass wire and wrapping it once around something like a pen shaft and then cutting it into a ring. It works really wall and is what Ii did on my McCoy key I bought from Mooncrest. As for the rolo chain, I think you want something 1mm or maybe 1.5 mm in diameter for the links. I've been looking but I haven't seen much I really like yet. Oddly enough I did wind up replacing my McCoy keys chain. I was in a local shop and they had the perfect 1mm fine curb chain. Looked just like the chain on the key from the Bonham auction too.

I just saw your Sound of Drums key, you did a nice job there for sure. I'm planning doing the same for my collection as well.

I like having all the keys I do, but I'm thinking I may keep my display to "Screen accurate" keys for a while. Which removes my close enough Yale style keys, the BBC and Sci Fi Collector key as well as my Megatron McCoy key. We'll see how long I last with that ;)

Thanks! It's a bit more involved to build than I first thought XD I'm working on one that matches that blue resistor key next.

Lol, I just hang all of mine on the wall. XD Closest ones to the font are the ones I use most often. XD

I picked up one of each as well- very impressed with these - love the detail, happy to add to/upgrade my previous keys with these. Two thumbs up- and agree about replacing the chain.

Cool! I'm glad you like them MoS. ^_^
 
The rolo chain I got was 2mm and I was concerned it might be too thin actually. We'll see when it gets here. I'd like to see a pic of your McCoy chain though.

EDIT: Looking at the McCoy key pics again I can see that it is a curb chain like you said, but the color is throwing me, it looks silver in the Bohnam's photo but brass in Rick's photo.
 
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The rolo chain I got was 2mm and I was concerned it might be too thin actually. We'll see when it gets here. I'd like to see a pic of your McCoy chain though.

EDIT: Looking at the McCoy key pics again I can see that it is a curb chain like you said, but the color is throwing me, it looks silver in the Bohnam's photo but brass in Rick's photo.

As for as I know it is indeed silver colored. I don't know if it's made of silver but it is rather shiny, which means that depending on the lighting it could be reflecting a warm light source giving it that brassy hue. The Mooncrest key chains look brassy to some people due to the light rust color and lighting in his auction pics. I erred on the side of best guess and went with a silver colored chain.

As for the rolo chain. I'm saying 1 to 1.5mm because the size of the ole is roughly 2mm in the key and the chain passes through that pretty easily. It's just a guess as I haven't ordered one to try but I think 2mm would be fine too. I'm using the jump ring either way so slightly bigger would be fine.
 
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