Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[spacebat]

That's pretty much assuming SHIELD is an evil organization then. Sounds like your expectations are what's wrong here.

And it's better than Heroes second season.

If you want 'evil organization rounding up mutants' then you should watch "The Tomorrow People" That's pretty much exactly what it is, except it's more from the viewpoint of the mutants

Not an evil organization... just an organization tasked with the protection of the public from superhuman threats...you know, like in the Comics? I would have loved to see a series based on individuals working for such an organization. Tomorrow people is just pretty people with powers...no thanks.

 

[Kerr Avon]

So locking up people 'indiscriminately' wouldn't be evil? I'd say it would be.

I have a problem with the casting of TTP as well, but I have hopes that it'll get past that limitation.

 

[spacebat]

So locking up people 'indiscriminately' wouldn't be evil? I'd say it would be.

I have a problem with the casting of TTP as well, but I have hopes that it'll get past that limitation.

I have a problem with the term evil. People are capable of doing bad things. I hope it will get better as well. For now it's just... meh.

 

[Kim]

I'll keep tuning in and hoping that the forced bonding scenes between characters get less frequent. I do like aspects of the show, but some of those "we are becoming a real team, guys" moments make me cringe.

 

[Captain Carter]

We need more of the Colson we saw in the movie and less Sky...

 

[Jeyl]

I never had anything against the character of Skye from the start, but after watching this episode, I'm starting to see one of this show's problems. It's trying too hard to get it's audience to accept her. It's like the show runners knew after the pilot debut that they had to work on improving her character, but having so many episodes delve into her exploits and numerous "Is she really?" acts of betrayal, it's becoming too much. And that random gratuitous sex scene didn't help anything at all. They literally do it mere seconds after seeing one another and get right down to it so quick I actually thought "They'll be done and spent before the first commercial ends". And the casting wasn't that impressive either since this "significant other" person looked exactly like Grant but with a beard.

I'm usually very forgiving to a series like this, but unless we actually see some character besides Skye get some time in the spot light, it's going to get shallow even for me.

 

[dbuck]

I was okay with it until the latest episode.

Now I'm done. I may check back in later on to see if it can find itself.

 

[Ronan87]

It's holding by a string for us... Urgh...

Kill off Skye ASAP, introduce a better character, maybe one with super powers? They got a whole giant organization looking for 'people of interests' and yet they can't spare one or two to help them?

Or Nick Furry only gets to use them?

 

[Seabass]

Surprised to see the comments here about this episode. Honestly felt like this one was the show finally starting to click a little. As a Marvel fan I'd been giving it more of a chance than any other random show, forgiving the over name-dropping of the first couple episodes and some of the characters coming on too strong. Now its had a partial payoff with the return of the centipede thing, and mystery of it all is getting interesting.

I'm guessing the whole deal is either AIM or Roxxon, both mentioned in IM3 with the extremis stuff and either way I'm excited to see it. I was hoping to see Sky being with that guy as another sneaky double agent smart move thing like the guy with Graviton, but it didnt go that way (and seriously, Graviton? holy crap this show and/or movies could get pretty sick with that alone)

 

[TheNickFox]

I've said it before in this thread, but I still think this show needs a character on the flying fortress with a bit more brash bravado. It's something that ALWAYS seems to work well in Whedon-works. Even though they are less grating than they were originally I find myself hoping they kill off Fitz-Simmons and replace them with a brash, Mal Reynolds/Tony Stark/Captain Hammer type science genius who can't be bothered to play as part of the team, but always comes through in the clutch.

And I don't know why they're having such a hard time writing a character with a secret. Writers, just look back to Firefly, then mimic Shep's storyline. The way you write a character with a secret is to make them 1000000% one thing (Like a space priest) and then have them break some rule that such a person wouldn't break and let it hang. No need to have close-ups of Skye's phone saying "Bwahaha! Now I am on board their secret plane base!" The choice to make her someone who already WAS cloak and dagger ruined the entire "I've got a secret" angle. A better approach would have been to have her be a newspaper reporter who identifies the guy in episode 1. Coulson says, "How would you like the story of a lifetime" and off she goes. Then they could have slipped in little things like her saving the day by hacking or dropping knowledge she shouldn't have. And have her cover it up. But by episode 1, we saw she was willing to lie so why should we care that she has more secrets, we didn't even get a chance to get invested in her before we found out she won't be who we are supposed to think she is, so why get invested in her now if she's just going to change soon?

-Nick

 

[mykindofscum]

Enjoying the show so far, lumps and all. Just watched Episode 5 - The Girl In The Flower Dress (something like that). Was surprised to see

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the doctor lady from the first episode, good to bring her back.

. But whoops, didn't expect

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her to die!

Also, anyone have speculation on

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the guy at the end

? I don't know the comics well enough to know if there is a clear parallel to someone there. Or was he something IM3-related? Also, he seemed to have

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some metal thing on his right temple.

. Any guess there?

 

[The Mad Professor]

Also, anyone have speculation on

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the guy at the end

?

I'm willing to bet that

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he is Skye's father.

Given Joss Whedon's seemingly standard mantra of

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"there's a reason why 'dad' rhymes with 'bad'"

it would make sense.

 

[Sir Angus]

First, I'm not going to pretend this show doesn't have its flaws ... They're trying to build off of a very well-known brand, and incorporate characters we all love. The mystery of Coulsen surviving and what really happened to him is interesting to me. Skye has been problematic from the start, and the recent episode she really irritated me ... First, no hacker living in their van has the skills she displays at being a double agent. Second, she became way too comfortable and trusted much too quickly. Finally, post sex scene it became obvious she's been extremely deceptive with all those push-up bras!! :lol

Seriously though, the "Bus" is my single biggest issue with the show. Every time they show the exterior or flying it pisses me off. I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I've spent a good amount of time in the USAF. I'm fairly certain the rearward, Warthog-esque, engines would be useless. Even if they weren't almost perfectly in line with the wing-mounted engines they'd be sucking in so much jetwash that they wouldn't operate ... I'm open to someone proving me wrong with real-world examples of functional jets with similar engines configurations.

 

[The Mad Professor]

Seriously though, the "Bus" is my single biggest issue with the show. Every time they show the exterior or flying it pisses me off. I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I've spent a good amount of time in the USAF. I'm fairly certain the rearward, Warthog-esque, engines would be useless. Even if they weren't almost perfectly in line with the wing-mounted engines they'd be sucking in so much jetwash that they wouldn't operate ... I'm open to someone proving me wrong with real-world examples of functional jets with similar engines configurations.

Rule of cool, baby. Rule of cool.

 

[Laspector]

Seriously though, the "Bus" is my single biggest issue with the show. Every time they show the exterior or flying it pisses me off. I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I've spent a good amount of time in the USAF. I'm fairly certain the rearward, Warthog-esque, engines would be useless. Even if they weren't almost perfectly in line with the wing-mounted engines they'd be sucking in so much jetwash that they wouldn't operate ... I'm open to someone proving me wrong with real-world examples of functional jets with similar engines configurations.

Come on man, this is the Marvel Universe! Is there anything in the Marvel Universe that would actually work in the real world? Let it go.

 

[Sir Angus]

Come on man, this is the Marvel Universe! Is there anything in the Marvel Universe that would actually work in the real world? Let it go.

Actually, quite a bit of the tech on the show is based in reality. That's part of the reason the plane bothers me. They could've easily just used a C17 or C5 retro-fitted ... Hell, even the Avenger movie went the extra mile to make the helicarrier conceptually believeable. There's just no point to the extra set of engines they're about as useless as **** on a bull. IMO, it makes the plane look clumsy and dumb, but more importantly it breaks my "suspension of disbelief" while watching.

 

[The Mad Professor]

I find it funny that people complain about the aeronautical feasibility of The Bus's engine configuration while conveniently ignoring other in universe details like:

1) a billionaire genius playboy philanthropist managing to not only build a suit of computerized power armor in a cave (WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!!), but do so with a sucking chest wound in filthy conditions.

2) a scientist who, when dosed with gamma radiation, does NOT die of acute radiation poisoning, but instead mutates into a giant rage monster when someone irritates him

3) an alien that somehow manages to look completely human, speaks like he's from Jolly Olde England, and carries a magic hammer

4) a human archer with hilariously improbably aiming skills using arrows that rightfully should never even fly

5) a homeless hacker who, despite living in a van, looks like a high society girl with perfect teeth, fake tan, flawless skin, and an excellent physique

 

[Laspector]

I just don't get it. A couple extra engines on an airplane is a problem, yet giant rotor blades on an air craft carrier is not? How did the movie go the extra mile to make the heli carrier's engines believable? Because they were big? Because they folded out from underneath the water? Where is this "extra mile" you speak of?

 

[mykindofscum]

Friends, here is perhaps as good an explanation on the Bus' aft engines as we can have for a show that is only 5 episodes old.

1) The Marvel wiki (and a few other online other sources) for the Bus, note that the modified C-17 Globemaster III "aircraft is powered by 6 Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 turbofan engines." Further, they helpfully add that "the traditional vehicle has only 4 engines." Okay, that's nice, thank you, wiki.

2a) Say we throw out the real-world info of the wiki, and stick with available / official show material. I looked on the marvel.com but could not find any mention of the Bus. Oops, there went that approach.

2b) It does appear in the show to date that all six engines are the same appearance, size, and function, ie the aft ones are not something different (for example, only used for rocket-assist takeoff). Fine.

2c) Now here's the good stuff. The Bus blueprint seen often in Coulson's office on the show and and offered in the real world (derp!) at NYCC 2013, shows the engines all the same size, and one (an aft engine) has a representative notation. It's the only notation on that blueprint-y diagram for ANY of plane's the six engines. So, "in-universe" to-date they all appear to have the same function.

The engine note says "VTOL Ramjet Engine (TYF) [or does it say (TYP)? - I can't read those last letters. If someone has a paper copy from NYCC, please tell us.]

Whoa - how cool would it be to watch that Bus making ramjet speeds and/or especially VTOL movement (Vertical Takeoff and Landing)?! I'd love to see that thing go VTOL, moreso than that 1st episode's flying car silliness but up there with first viewing of the helicarrier rising in the Avengers film.

See for yourself (click for larger size):


Cheers!

 

[TheNickFox]

...ORRRRRRRR: A wizard did it.

-Nick