Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[The Rock-a-who]

So, here are my immediate thoughts on last night:

Spoiler

May's hardline: Called it
Grant: Called it way back when he shot Thomas Nash (patsy Clairvoyant)
Victoria Hand: I would've SWORN she was going to become Madame HYDRA
Garrett: Didn't see that one coming

Some other tid-bits:

I know a lot of people are speculating Skye will become Ms. Marvel. Honestly I think MM is big screen material and not small. They can have the actor move to the silver screen, but she doesn't have that much acting experience (IMO) to cut it. What makes more sense is for her to become Spider Woman now that she has Kree blood in her mixed with her 086 (or whatever) status of an 'unknown'

When Victoria Hand said Coulson was a HYDRA agent...what if he WAS? But after he died, and Fury got him brought back from the dead, what if Fury either 1.) Knew he was and had his brain reprogrammed to not be anymore or 2.) Fury never knew he was but reprogrammed his brain based on his deep psych evaluations, etc and just left it out?

For everyone saying Grant is a mole - if it was the one shot to the gut, maybe. But a double-tap to the head - even if they were Icers or whatever, that close would cause some serious damage and probably kill her anyway. I *really* hope he's a HYDRA agent through and through. Makes for more interesting arcs, methinks.

And I certainly hope he doesn't come to the side of good because of 'lurve' for Skye. That's almost a table-flip for me and will be really disappointed in the writers.

HYDRA infiltration has GOT to have some repercussions from this. It's too neat and clean that Coulson just lucked out and got a team full of 100% SHEILD agents.

 

[jax]

My guess.... Ward is AIM....

 

[cboath]

I initially thought ward was a double agent due to the fact that he looked totally shocked that Paxton was arrested as the clairvoyant - then Coulson immediately pulls him aside and tells him something at some length, but we don't get to hear what. Then it's 'use this gun' and then after he does it he looks totally pissed still. Clearly wasn't the look of a 'now that we've freed you, what next?'

Personally, i'd think it'd be great to pull a main character to villain on people.

Plus, like someone else said, if Guy A is busted as a hydra agent and he trained these 20 people - all 20 of those people are going to have to go through the grinder to prove their innocence to those in charge - or so you'd think.

I'm not sure Coulson's team 'has' to have an infiltrator. If 30% (a guess) of shield were hydra agents (which frankly seems steep), odds aren't in favor of one landing on his team.

May was just a red herring - I think she is just what she said. You go to the lengths Fury did to save Coulson, you're damn sure going to have someone keeping an eye on them to make sure they're OK and acting normally and to make sure the alien drug isn't doing anything bizarre.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Can't wait to see Patton Oswalt in the next episode.

 

[Jeyl]

Ward killed a character who I was actually looking forward to seeing "coming out" as she put it (Very subtle AoS). He is officially an unforgivable character who I have zero sympathy for, even if he was somehow mind controlled or whatever. Coulson was right to lock the idiot up for shooting a totally defenseless person who's threats could have been totally baseless. If Coulson can give Agent May that much crap for just talking to Fury behind his back, this should be a no-brainer. Most likely scenario is that they'll have Skye bring Ward back from the "dark side" and she'll beg Coulson to give him another chance, which he will because she's so awesome. If that happens, I'm quitting the show.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I hope Ward stays bad. That was way too predictable that Ward and Skye ended up together.

I thought it was cool at the end that they had a Hydra logo in place of the SHIELD logo.

 

[Banner]

I could see Ward actually being Hydra. I could see Hand's death being faked though, also (she did try to fake out Simmons and Triplet...maybe this is just a way for Ward to get inside Hydra). Since they turned the knob on the show up to 11, pretty much anything is possible.

 

[SmilingOtter]

I initially thought ward was a double agent due to the fact that he looked totally shocked that Paxton was arrested as the clairvoyant - then Coulson immediately pulls him aside and tells him something at some length, but we don't get to hear what. Then it's 'use this gun' and then after he does it he looks totally pissed still. Clearly wasn't the look of a 'now that we've freed you, what next?'

I went back and re-watched it, and though we can't hear what Coulson is saying, it looks like the rest of the team should have been able to hear. (Coulson's not exactly whispering.) I'm withholding any conclusions for now - it could go either way with him, though having him actually being HYDRA would make for a more interesting story.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I think a problem with tying things into the movies is that if this was really happening don't you think Iron Man and several others would come in to help SHIELD? I guess they could say he's helping off screen somewhere else though. I'll give Thor a pass since he's on another planet, but the Earth based SHIELD people would help. Still I think if RDJ can do a beer commercial he could do a cameo on this show.

 

[Robinson]

But tony isn't shield and the general public wouldn't be aware of the situation within shield so no he shouldn't be called upon to help.

 

[SmilingOtter]

SHIELD has lots of bases. (Hand mentioned that Hydra still controlled some of them at the end of the episode. So Just because Stark wasn't at the Hub or the one in Washington (from the movie) doesn't mean he wasn't playing some sort of role.

That, or Stark is with Hydra now...

 

[Robinson]

Or stark isn't in shield.

 

[Banner]

All the members of the Avengers have their own books. You don't seem them calling for help everytime they have a "situation" in their book. Sure, there are crossovers every now and then, but not EVERY issue.

These movies are like the books in that sense. They're not calling for help every time "ship" hits the fan. Unless Steve asked Tony specifically for help(and maybe not even then), I doubt the cinematic Iron Man cares if SHIELD is in trouble or not. WAY too much mistrust there.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

Stark's just a consultant. Thor's on Earth but S.H.I.E.L.D. may not be aware of it since they didn't interact with him during Dark World. You don't call the Avengers in for every problem that arises just like you don't call your mom every time stub your toe.

That said, I'd be surprised if Tony doesn't know (in any event he'd probably consider it not his problem). I would expect he has JARVIS monitor S.H.I.E.L.D. chatter after his mistrust for them during Avengers. It's the same reason I think he should know Phil is alive.

 

[Fly4v]

Jarvis can't see anything except what Hydra wants him to see.
With all the Jarvis/SHIELD hacking going on I'm sure Zola found a way into Stark's system.

 

[dascoyne]

Well all that's going to change when JARVIS tragically goes offline then emerges as The Vision.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

So Hydra wanted Tony to find all the heavy weaponry in Avengers?

Maybe I'll have to rematch TWS but my take was that Zola was isolated from the rest of S.H.I.E.L.D./Hydra's systems since the flash drive only worked at the bunker his console was housed in. If he's hooked up to the systems such that he could hack Stark then Fury should have been able to read the drive on any S.H.I.E.L.D. computer, no?

 

[Fly4v]

Remember that Fury couldn't read the file because it was locked by Director Fury.... according to the SHIELD computer. He did ask on whose authority. That seemed to be a Huh? moment.
I think Zola didn't unlock the drive until he had Cap in the bunker and had the feeling that Zola was not as isolated as we were led to believe.

How else could he have known about the inbound ordinance?

While I know the TFA game has nothing to do with the movie, but if I remember correctly weren't there numerous versions of disembodied/remote control Zola running around?

Either way I think Zola made it out of the Bunker.

 

[tripoli]

A couple noted observations:
In The new Capt film, they noted "too bad Zola was lost". I can't believe there would not be a back up some where though. He had access to outside systems, seems a no brainer he should be around in the digital future.
During the targeting screens, Star tower was shown targeted with Tony specifically noted as an individual target.
Jarvis was compromised in Iron Man 3 and given the story lines on the TV show, it would seem that he is still being targeted or corrupted. Given the NSA feel from the new movie, no doubt this is possible and planned. "With all the Jarvis/SHIELD hacking going on I'm sure Zola found a way into Stark's system." A good segway in...

"I could see Ward actually being Hydra. I could see Hand's death being faked though, also (she did try to fake out Simmons and Triplet...maybe this is just a way for Ward to get inside Hydra)." Yeah, a copy of the last movie with Fury's fake death but SHIELD needs a way in fast to find what Hydra is up to. Ward is a double agent.

The Avengers are left alone on their own after the events in NY via Fury. Stark is "consulting", Thor is on his own personal quest, we know they are back in Avengers 2, so one way or another they get dragged back in. Marvel/Disney has been following the basic classic story lines with some changes but the arcs are pretty much the same. I hope Tony Stark's does not end a somewhat tragic arc as it did in the comics but his character so far in the movies has been having rough times, so quite possible. I kind of hope Guardians will give a hint at that arc.

 

[Robinson]

It was actually avengers tower in TWS, no longer Stark tower.