I picked up two when they were released. I have one that I skate and the other is still in the box and in shrink. Since these were produced by Madrid (and based on the screen used board) they are actually professional quality decks as opposed to the Valterra toystore decks, which were devoid of concave and flimsy. The basic gist is that the screen used deck was a Madrid deck screened with the Valterra graphics. All of that said it skates as well as any professional deck from that era. The only issue I had was with the bushings, which were far too soft . I replaced them with some independent bushings which were the same color and I was good to go.So I skipped on buying the legit one for $300 cause I was low on cash at the time.. fast forward, they now cost more than $300 on eBay, LOL.. did the official decks ever get restocked? If not, what's my next best option? Also, I'd like to actually shred this board in addition to using it as a prop > Cheers!
Since you have one out of the packaging would you by any chance be willing to do some measurements for me? I have scoured the internet looking for them assuming it wouldn't be that difficult to find, but alas it is. I would like to trim a Madrid explosion, since it is so close and seems to be just slightly bigger, to the exact dimensions. I could send you a photo of the measurments I would like?I picked up two when they were released. I have one that I skate and the other is still in the box and in shrink. Since these were produced by Madrid (and based on the screen used board)
what color exactly was it?I replaced them with some independent bushings which were the same color and I was good to go.
I picked up two when they were released. I have one that I skate and the other is still in the box and in shrink. Since these were produced by Madrid (and based on the screen used board) they are actually professional quality decks as opposed to the Valterra toystore decks, which were devoid of concave and flimsy. The basic gist is that the screen used deck was a Madrid deck screened with the Valterra graphics. All of that said it skates as well as any professional deck from that era. The only issue I had was with the bushings, which were far too soft . I replaced them with some independent bushings which were the same color and I was good to go.
So far as laying your hands on one, good luck. They pop up on Ebay from time to time, usually listed from $600-1K. All of the ones I have added to my watch list sold for $599-$750. I saw that coming a mile away and picked up two when they were offered. I have also seen a few of the decks go up on Ebay, but I can't recall what they sold for. If you can get ahold of the deck, Madrid has the Fly wheels up for sale on their site. If you wanted to be as close to film accurate as possible you could get a set of the cast aluminum Tracker Six Track reissue trucks, paint them black, and add the red/orange bushings. The trucks on the original were black Tracker Six Tracks, with the aluminum base plates as opposed to the Ultra light (Plastic one).
This is the last one I saw go up for sale and it went for $699
Bushing made by Independent. Harder urethane Screws are easy to get: either black already or alu/steel (you'll have to paint them). The nuts have a plastic insert that keeps them from coming off the wheel. Usually, they were either transparent plastic or white (depending on the truck manufacturer, I've seen red, black or green:behave). Tracker trucks made a copping sleeve in the middle ' 70s...difficult to find:cry
I apologize for not being on here more often. I do miss it.
You have almost all of it already.
Definitely Extrack axle/hanger size in the film, in black.
Problem is, the offsets are completely different on the two reissue FLY wheels. The 2010s were a match to the correct vintage, use the ExTrack axle size. The 2015 reissue rests on the axle further in, use the Six Track size. Using these combinations will result in the same distance between the wheels mounted on the hanger. The bushings are the original Tracker of the era. They are more red than orange and the cone is slightly darker than the barrel. Modern Venom bushings are nearly a match. Tracker still sells the trucks with the vintage four hole metal plates.
They are not Trackers. Problem is a lot of copers were cut from longer segments of extruded stock, not only trimmed differently but dropped into many different 'brand' bags. I finally found a match to the film, but there are no markings. They are most like Z-flex, a 'hard' coper. However, the profile of the two are slightly different and also cut/notched differently. In the film, on the outer facing side with the sticker, the leading edge is also notched but only slightly. The width of the flat grinding surface of Z-flex is also slightly less. The film board has copers that were cut down to fit between the wheels, to about 4.5" in length.
With the lettering a part of the mold, these are the second generation of the FLY wheel, and what appear on the film board.
The first have the fly insect graphic molded into a narrower sidewall. The third are by Kryptonics with black lettering and plastic core. The 2010 reissues are the closest to the second generation, a near perfect match in material, color, and dimensions. The 2015 versions are harder, brighter in color and with a plastic core are a closer match to the third generation. Both reissues' overall diameter and radius sizes are the same. The sidewalls and offset are different.
Unknown bearings. - The original movie board handled by so many, did anyone look?
Zinc plated axle and truck nuts.
Unknown 1/2" risers, black. The film board has a tiny step where the riser meets the truck mounting plate. Tracker brand taper flush.
1.5" truck mounting bolts, head type unknown.
Flat washers, not modern speed rings.
Problem is photos of the movie board as it is now seem to indicate that the trucks have been separated from the board at some point. You can see the impression of larger mounting hardware on grip at the top and perhaps missing risers on the bottom.
3D Banner (top)
Explosion, early version (bottom)
2" circle with "mfg"
Problem is there are different versions of the same graphic out there. It's also hard to tell if the stickers on the copers were printed on a clear or white vinyl.
WHY MARTY WHY?
This all comes from years of research and uneccesary eBay purchases. If you look through this thread I have images of most of the above items in here already. I already have my ingredients for my own 'final' version but if there is anyway to drive the research forward on the last few details I would like to be involved in some way. It would be great to know just a few more things.
As for bearings the ones that were popular at the time were: Sims Gold/Silver, Kryptonic, Z-System, GMN Z-T96H, or SKF, but that last one was most probably used for the European market. As for the Extrack the measurement should be 5" wheel to wheel (as the ad of the time was saying)
I admit some of my early research and posts may not be correct. The Invaders are a great example. My logic was, Madrid used them on the 25th anniversary replicas, and it was the only way I knew of at the time to arrive the correct axle size with the 2010 reissue FLY wheel. I knew the wheels were a match all-around in dimensions because I had already purchased the correct vintage wheel, but at that time in the wrong color. Invaders were the only other skateboard truck of the era that was available in black with red/orange bushings (and even white pivot cups) in that axle/hanger size. Still a great starting point to arrive at the correct interaction and dimensions of these parts. I did not know of the Tracker Extrack size at the time and my thinking was they all had their own brand of coper that looked nothing like the generics in the movie. Read all of my posts in this thread, I believe I was still uncertain but I apologize if misled anyone.
When I finally found the correct vintage wheel in the correct color, they were what I would call 'seconds' lathed true but some slightly taller than others by only a few mms sitting flat on a table. This is how I can verify that the first reissue is the better match. My understanding is Madrid underestimated the number of Valterra completes they would need in 2015, and had another run of wheels made. They eventually listed them for sale on their site, using the 2010 image instead. When I inquired about my order they explained that the molds for the 2010 no longer existed and that the 2015 versions were as close as they could get given the timeframe. They are a harder rubber than the vintage and 2010 reissue. The brighter color may be more pleasing to some because it's a closer match to the color on the modern deck.
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The 2015 Madrid replicas varied greatly. Early versions arrived with a more modern truck and the 2010 wheel/coper combination. The axles/hangers are too wide in this combination so the copers are not trimmed at their ends. Aesthetically, the fit looks good but technically the wheelbase is a little too wide compared to the movie board. Maybe they realized this and switched to a smaller axle size of the same black trucks. But by then they were onto the next version of the wheel, resulting in a too narrow wheelbase. A friend of mine sent the first one they received back because the front and rear axles were these two different sizes. They made good and delivered a board with Invader trucks and a fairly accurate coper. The irony is someone must have realized an accurate combination was possible because that's exactly what they advertised in their "Your board is ready..." teaser image. The wider axle with the 2015 wheel, trimmed ends on the copers. We are lucky they offered it again, but they underestimated the demand and this is the reason for all of the variation. Offering just the deck was a great value. They did an incredible job matching the correct vintage stickers.
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The copers are about 4.5" perhaps only slightly wider with probably only 1/4" of material trimmed off the ends to fit between the wheels on the Extrack hanger. This is the movie board's combination. The Z Flex come the closest but rarely do you find them with the correct notch on the inside. Trim some down to the correct size, and there's not much left to grab the hanger on the ends. I believe the copers I have now match the close ups we have now. I haven't posted these yet, I'll try to get some photos up soon. I cannot comment on the exact dimensions between 2015 wheels and the SixTrack hanger because I only have Extrack.
If anyone is serious about casting copers please contact me.
I do think they are philips truss head bolts but could not say for certain, same goes for the riser pads. And the bearings. I have some risers marked Made in USA, scavenged from an old board I had but I am willing to travel to research these unknowns.