Mad Max 4: Fury Road
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Solo4114
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Yeah, the first one is a masterwork unto itself. The second on is awesome, too, but very different. Not bad, just different. The third one...well, it could've been better than it was, but I enjoy it nonetheless. it's the weakest of the three, though.
My timeline is mixed together from a variety of stuff I've seen online and my own interpretations of the story.
The way I see it, the war could've started somewhere else (IE: cold war clash in the middle east) which brings the rest of the world in gradually. After peace talks break down, society begins to crumble as the very fuel of society (oil) grows INCREDIBLY scarce. As tensions heighten and the war spreads, it goes nuclear.
I suppose the way I see it is that it starts off as a localized crisis (say, Israel vs. a union of Arab states) which has the dual effect of destrying the world's primary oil supplies, and gradually pulling other countries in. So instead of a single even that sets of a fast-moving chain reaction, you have a slower event that sucks countries in and spreads the war, which only eventually goes nuclear, rather than the then-popular notion of "everyone launches at once and it's all over in 10 minutes." I'd also think that, for example, Australia would be a lower priority target in both a conventional and a nuclear war.
All of the backstory is vague, though. Another thing to consider is that it might not have been one single war, but rather a series of brushfire wars that eventually lead to a huge, cataclysmic war. So, for instance, think of an alternate timeline where a localized war breaks out in the middle east which lights up the oil fields because someone goes nuclear. That radically depletes the supplies of oil for the entire world, which leads to long-term shortages. In that time, for efficiency's sake, the transcon highways are constructed in Australia, with the goal of transporting huge amounts of resources cross-country in single shipments. Naturally, this becomes a juicy target to scavengers and the MFP is formed in response.
At that stage you're in the "shortage" phase. With shortage, social services break down, and the everyday wheels of society begin to grind to a halt. As that happens, leaders look elsewehre for resources, and so begin newer brushfire wars. Eventually these trigger Cold War spheres of influence and lead to some kind of war that spirals out of control like WW1, only a bit slower, culminating in a nuclear exchange.
Anyway, it's fun to think about now and then, but the movies are deliberately vague and seem not to be particularly bound by continuity concerns.
Oh, and if this MM4 is a prequel, then wouldn't it be best NOT to call it MM4?
ShowCraft
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Some quick glimpses of the cars at the beginning of this George Miller interview.
http://www.joblo.com/video/joblo/player.php?video=millermax
http://www.joblo.com/video/joblo/player.php?video=millermax
Noeland
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I'd love to see Mel return to the role, but I also really, really want to see Miller return to this world, and this brand of grown up storytelling. I'm sick of kids movies coming from him.
Personally, I'd rather see a new character/hero in the story than a recast (har har - has a whole other meaning 'round here) of good ol' Max.
But if they are dead set on casting someone young as Max, then going after someone like Mel Gibson, who is in the same stage of his career and is about the same age, that could be very smart. It reintroduces the character to a whole new generation.
Like I said over in the new Trek thread. This isn't about nostalgia.
Personally, I'd rather see a new character/hero in the story than a recast (har har - has a whole other meaning 'round here) of good ol' Max.
But if they are dead set on casting someone young as Max, then going after someone like Mel Gibson, who is in the same stage of his career and is about the same age, that could be very smart. It reintroduces the character to a whole new generation.
Like I said over in the new Trek thread. This isn't about nostalgia.
Great_Bizarro
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Is that a grown up Ferrel Kid with George in the interview?
Too Much Garlic
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There is no Mad Max without Gibson.
If they're gonna do it with someone new... make it his son or something.
Same thing is seen on snow covered regions, where snow has formed a blanket over a rocky terrain.
If they're gonna do it with someone new... make it his son or something.
Just a hole/cavern covered by sand where the sand caves in when a certain weight steps on it.
Same thing is seen on snow covered regions, where snow has formed a blanket over a rocky terrain.
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cayman shen
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A looooooong way back Heath Ledger was rumored to be considered for the role of Max's son, in fact. This was before he had moved out of his teen-idol stage, so I wasn't impressed. Before Brokeback I had no idea the guy could act. In retrospect, I can see the idea working, though the soul of Max is that he's a "shell of a man," therefore I find it hard to believe that he'd have formed a relationship with a woman for long enough to have her bear a child that he raises. And where would she be? Dead? To have him lose another wife would be pretty friggin contrived. No, best to leave the son, the whole Mutt and Indy nonsense out of it, methinks.
But your snow comment sparked something...I'm a sucker for snow. So dramatic. I'd love to see Max in a setting like the mountains and light snow of Lawrence of Arabia, that part of the movie. Max in the hills, bundled up, the car a souped up 4x4 of some kind...sick.
But your snow comment sparked something...I'm a sucker for snow. So dramatic. I'd love to see Max in a setting like the mountains and light snow of Lawrence of Arabia, that part of the movie. Max in the hills, bundled up, the car a souped up 4x4 of some kind...sick.
Interesting timeline, Solo. Makes a lot of sense.
I'd disagree that the children were there for generations, though. Some would have had to grow up since then, so where are the adults? I think the oldest of them remembers the time of highscrapers and v-v-v-video, even if they were very little at the time, and those memories are what have evolved into their mythology.
As for the catyclism, the opening MM2 narration is from the point of view of the Feral Kid grown up (as we find out at the end), and so the story is not first-hand. He probably doesn't even know what a nuke is.
A transcription found on the web:
My life fades
the vision dims.
All that remains are memories.
I remember a time of chaos
ruined dreams this wasted land.
But most of all, I remember the Road Warrior
the man we called Max.
To understand who he was, you have to go back to another time
when the world was powered by the black fuel
and the deserts sprouted great cities of pipe and steel.
Gone now swept away.
For reasons long forgotten, two mighty warrior tribes went to war
and touched off a blaze which engulfed them all.
Without fuel they were nothing. They'd built a house of straw.
The thundering machines sputtered and stopped.
Their leaders talked and talked and talked
but nothing could stem the avalanche.
Their world crumbled the cities exploded.
A whirlwind of looting
a firestorm of fear.
Men began to feed on men.
On the roads it was a white-line nightmare.
Only those mobile enough to scavenge
brutal enough to pillage would survive.
The gangs took over the highways
ready to wage war for a tank of juice.
And in this maelstrom of decay
ordinary men were battered and smashed.
Men like Max
the warrior Max.
In the roar of an engine, he lost everything
and became a shell of a man
a burnt out, desolate man
a man haunted by the demons of his past.
A man who wandered out into the wasteland.
And it was here in this blighted place
that he learned to live again.
(the shooting script version is longer, but this is how it is in the film)
I'd disagree that the children were there for generations, though. Some would have had to grow up since then, so where are the adults? I think the oldest of them remembers the time of highscrapers and v-v-v-video, even if they were very little at the time, and those memories are what have evolved into their mythology.
As for the catyclism, the opening MM2 narration is from the point of view of the Feral Kid grown up (as we find out at the end), and so the story is not first-hand. He probably doesn't even know what a nuke is.
A transcription found on the web:
My life fades
the vision dims.
All that remains are memories.
I remember a time of chaos
ruined dreams this wasted land.
But most of all, I remember the Road Warrior
the man we called Max.
To understand who he was, you have to go back to another time
when the world was powered by the black fuel
and the deserts sprouted great cities of pipe and steel.
Gone now swept away.
For reasons long forgotten, two mighty warrior tribes went to war
and touched off a blaze which engulfed them all.
Without fuel they were nothing. They'd built a house of straw.
The thundering machines sputtered and stopped.
Their leaders talked and talked and talked
but nothing could stem the avalanche.
Their world crumbled the cities exploded.
A whirlwind of looting
a firestorm of fear.
Men began to feed on men.
On the roads it was a white-line nightmare.
Only those mobile enough to scavenge
brutal enough to pillage would survive.
The gangs took over the highways
ready to wage war for a tank of juice.
And in this maelstrom of decay
ordinary men were battered and smashed.
Men like Max
the warrior Max.
In the roar of an engine, he lost everything
and became a shell of a man
a burnt out, desolate man
a man haunted by the demons of his past.
A man who wandered out into the wasteland.
And it was here in this blighted place
that he learned to live again.
(the shooting script version is longer, but this is how it is in the film)
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cayman shen
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So I just watched the interview...Gibson doesn't seem to be off the table. If they go with someone not Max or insist on recasting the role, I think another Aussie might be a good fit for these movies: Hugh Jackman. I could see him really pulling this kind of flick off.
Solo4114
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By "generations" I mean maybe 1-2 rounds of kids, born to VERY young mothers (like, 13-15). I figure that the crashed plane with Captain Walker crashes immediately following the nuclear exchange (or perhaps during it, since it would've probably created awful air conditions forcing the crash landing). There may not have been many adults on the plane, and the plane could've been children sent to a distant location (Tasmania?) which would presumably be safer than wherever they were from. What few adults were there might have perished during the time between the crash and the film, and the adults and older children might've left ("Wait, one of us will come.").
The reasons I figure it's gotta be at least one generation of kids growing up with no living memory of the past life (or perhaps only memories as infants) are threefold:
1.) There are clearly kids there who are younger than 7 years old, and Savannah Nix appears to be around 19 or so. 17 at the absolute youngest.
2.) Their language has become "pidgin" english. That'd probably only happen if the kids were themselves raised by children who themselves had lost much of the rest of "proper" english. Hence there maybe being more than 1 generation.
3.) They tell an oral history of the past in mythical terms, which would only make sense if no one was left alive who remembered it firsthand (or remembered it clearly). They also don't know how technology, including the airplane, work. So, if we figure Savannah is the oldest, and she's around 17-19, then she couldn't have been older than 2 or 3 when they came to the crack of the earth, and she'd have to have been raised in such a way that she'd lost "proper english." While all that can happen rather quickly, there'd have to be stuff that came before. Savannah would've had to have been abandoned by anyone who spoke proper english by not older than, oh, four or five. Which would likely mean there were some older people around who died off in the meantime, and that she and the older boy who challenges her leadership were the eldest left alive when Max shows up.
Yeah, it's definitely vague. It leaves a LOT of room for interpretation and clarification. What's great about it, though, is that it works fantastically to set the film. You can watch MM2 and NEVER see another MM movie again, and the film just stands on its own.
Too Much Garlic
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Didn't have to stick around to get a kid. Then the kid grows up and goes looking for daddy... oh wait... you're right... that IS Crystal Skull... man... that movie still manages to destroy...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42907
AICN reports that trade papers are reporting that Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy will star, and that it's set not long after MMIII.
AICN reports that trade papers are reporting that Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy will star, and that it's set not long after MMIII.
AICN says Variety said.
cayman shen
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Aaaaargghghghghghgghghghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Contec
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Solo4114
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Sounds like they're going with the son looking for Max storyline again.
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