Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

[Larry Young]

...and it's some kind of ceremonial Roman shortsword with Romulus and Remus on the scabbard. So people have been coming to the Island for a long time.

 

[Guri]

I've been thinking about what Noeland said, that Lost might have been a scripted, dramatic form of Survivor and as an avid fan of Survivor who has watched all but 1 season, I can see many parallels with the twist that would be Smoky wants to get off the island while Jacob wants to stay.

What's more, is that I can also see something to the two personas that reflects the game and I'm working on a theory of who Jacob and Smoky and the people they are trying to recruit, represent in the game of Survivor:

Jacob - Team mentality - Working for the team, worried about being liked, working hard at camp, pulling together to do well on challenges so your team can win immunity, loyalty, honesty, integrity

Smoky - Self-preservation - Everyone for himself, faking relationships, doing as little at camp as possible, pulling together ONLY when self-preservation is at stake, betrayal to move on in the game, willingness to sacrifice team members to move on, mistrust of everyone

In Survivor, you don't have to play in one mentality or the other, people (in Lost, like Sawyer) switch sides, but in order not to get voted out (in Lost - killed) you have to either fly under the radar as less of a threat than others, or you have to have an alliance.

It seems to me Jacob and Smoky are recruiting members (candidates) for their alliances.

Like I said, this is a theory in progress and I welcome input, if this theory is interesting to you.

 

[Eopie Herder]

I've been thinking about what Noeland said, that Lost might have been a scripted, dramatic form of Survivor and as an avid fan of Survivor who has watched all but 1 season, I can see many parallels with the twist that would be Smoky wants to get off the island while Jacob wants to stay.

What's more, is that I can also see something to the two personas that reflects the game and I'm working on a theory of who Jacob and Smoky and the people they are trying to recruit, represent in the game of Survivor:

Jacob - Team mentality - Working for the team, worried about being liked, working hard at camp, pulling together to do well on challenges so your team can win immunity, loyalty, honesty, integrity

Smoky - Self-preservation - Everyone for himself, faking relationships, doing as little at camp as possible, pulling together ONLY when self-preservation is at stake, betrayal to move on in the game, willingness to sacrifice team members to move on, mistrust of everyone

In Survivor, you don't have to play in one mentality or the other, people (in Lost, like Sawyer) switch sides, but in order not to get voted out (in Lost - killed) you have to either fly under the radar as less of a threat than others, or you have to have an alliance.

It seems to me Jacob and Smoky are recruiting members (candidates) for their alliances.

Like I said, this is a theory in progress and I welcome input, if this theory is interesting to you.

Awesome, another Survivor fan! So can we start a Survivor "heroes vs. Villains" thread, because I have been dying to talk about how ridiculously awesome Russell's move on Wed. was!

 

[Guri]

Do it! That was one of the best chess move episode I've ever seen. :thumbsup

 

[Westies14]

"Spoilers" can definitely refer to things that have been released. Like when you see a movie on opening night and you post a review when you get home, you warn people that it contains spoilers regarding what happens in the flick. That's what this thread's title has been about up til now as well - "careful if you haven't watched this week's yet!" Kind of like when we get to work every Wednesday morning and warn Meg to cover her ears because she records LOST and watches it later. It's on too late for some people. In the age of DVR, it's kind of polite to give people a heads up about that.

Sure, spoilers can be things that haven't aired yet, but they don't have to be.

 

[Guri]

Anyone else thinking more about Lost lately? For the first two seasons I was captivated, but for the last couple I didn't look forward to it even. Now I find myself thinking about it more and I'm really looking forward for tonight!

It's fun to be excited about it again - hope it delivers! :lol

 

[protokev DMD]

i think tonight made it obvious what widmores plan is:
Send desmond back in time

hes got desmond, and he is trying to figure out where the big pockets of electromagnetic energy is.

 

[silverskyes402]

Why send him back in time though, what purpose does it serve

 

[Kevin/Collector]

I really love Lost . . . but I just don't quite see the point of this last episode. It felt like they simply burnt one of their remaing, precious few, hours.
We had already guessed that Desmond was in the locked room on the sub; we already knew Mr. Paik screwed Jin because we already saw him tied up in the refer; we already knew that Sun was with the white hats and would likely never go with the Locke-Dressed-Monster; etc., etc., etc. Maybe I missed something but I counted no new answers, nor any new questions for that matter, revealed in this episode.
I just don't get it.

 

[Guri]

I agree, Kevin. I felt very let down, after looking forward to it so much.

Widmore did say something interesting about how they will all 'cease to exist' if Smoky leaves. Maybe because when Jacob brought them there, they were all supposed to die? I don't know - it probably has something to do with the time continuum.

The only other thing I felt I learned from this episode is a guess... The way Jack acted when he was talking to Sun and his promise to send her and Jinn on the plane, I think he gets what it is he's supposed to do now. Stay on the island and take Jacob's place so that everyone else can leave.

I don't get the Desmond thing at all. Why is he some special 'package' that Jinn would even care one iota about? Sure he might have some significance because he was right there when the hatch exploded (the first time) and he can now see into the future or whatever that time shift sickness is... heck, I don't even remember what's his deal because it's been so long.

But why would Jinn care? Jacob might care for some reason, or smoky, but Jinn?

So does anyone else think Juliette will come back as the doctor that saves Sun's baby in the alternate timeline?

 

[begsby]

Personally, I think that we, the viewers, have to try to look at this season as a whole - and what I mean by that is the episodes that may not seem to mean that much now will seem more significant once we get to the end - even if it just has to do with pacing. When everything is said and done, I bet if you go back and watch from the very beginning over the course of a few days/weeks it will become apparent that if we didn't have some of these more 'languid' episodes everything would just happen too fast.

 

[oblagon]

Why send him back in time though, what purpose does it serve

Desmond is immune to the rules of timetravel according to Daniel. He can create time paradoxes and effectively change the course of future events. Perhaps Widmore is going to send Desmond to the alternate universe for some reason and that's why he was on the plane in the first episode.

Did anyone else catch Locks talk with Claire where he said he needed all the candidates to get off the island. Another rule to the game?
And why was Kate's name taken off the list of candidates? When Claire asked if Kate was a candidate Lock said "not anymore".

 

[Guri]

That's a good question - why isn't Kate a candidate anymore. Maybe there are good side and bad side candidates and she was a bad side, until she came back to get Claire and turned to the good side? whatever... haha

Thanks for reminding me what Daniel said about Desmond, I forgot that.

I also noticed that Locke told Claire that whatever happened to Kate after they left was just what happened... basically giving her permission to kill Kate (or at least pacifying her for now). I wonder why Locke needs Claire... I wonder what he will use her to do for him.

 

[cboath]

I was wondering if 'willingly joining locke' is enough to knock you off the list. If candidacy is for the job of keeping the monster on the island, someone who has willingly sided with the monster can no longer be trusted to keep it on the island....

I can't see desmond as a time travel thing though. Unless the station at the orchid is still 100% in tact AND widmore knows how to use it (doubtful since he wasn't a dharma scientist) - he's got no way to send him to a specific time or place. The losties who got sent back in time were yanked off a plane in mid-flight while over the island and nothing of significance was going on on the island. Jin got sent back to the same timeframe - somehow when the freighter blew up. The only option would be widmore wanting to create an explosion at one of the major magnetic pockets with desmond present and hoping the island will place him where it needs him.

 

[oblagon]

Why send him back in time though, what purpose does it serve

I was wondering if 'willingly joining locke' is enough to knock you off the list. If candidacy is for the job of keeping the monster on the island, someone who has willingly sided with the monster can no longer be trusted to keep it on the island....

I can't see desmond as a time travel thing though. Unless the station at the orchid is still 100% in tact AND widmore knows how to use it (doubtful since he wasn't a dharma scientist) - he's got no way to send him to a specific time or place. The losties who got sent back in time were yanked off a plane in mid-flight while over the island and nothing of significance was going on on the island. Jin got sent back to the same timeframe - somehow when the freighter blew up. The only option would be widmore wanting to create an explosion at one of the major magnetic pockets with desmond present and hoping the island will place him where it needs him.

Jin went back in time with the losties when the donkey wheel was turned. Widmore could do the same thing with Desmond.
Another time travel possibility that we've seen is creating a large explosion at one of the pockets. for example when the swan exploded Desmond went back in time and met Eloise.
Although IMO I'm guessing it will be a new trick we haven't seen yet. As I'm guessing Desmond will not only travel through time but also into the other dimension x. That's why he was on the plane in that timeline X.

Concerning the candidate list; we never saw Kates name in the cave or at the lighthouse. Which I think eludes to the fact that Jacob himself removed her for some reason earlier and not due to staying with smokey as Sawyer and Jin are currently with smokey and both names are still listed.

 

[cboath]

Some went back when the wheel was turned, but not all. Why did no one else travel back as well is a big question, IMO. Widmore turning the wheel would risk everyone on the island getting moved in time, not just Desmond. Again, it seems only certain people travel, but why wouldn't jack, et al, go back in time, or forword, or sideways, or whatever, if the wheel was turned again?

I'm wondering if widmore got a jump to the future at some point or someone who knows the future came to him (desmond?)? He told locke a war (which seems to be team jacob vs team smokie) was coming to the island if he (locke) didn't return to the island. He died and couldn't return. Smokie took his form and now the war is set to begin. Perhaps desmond and magnetism or something is the key to defeating smokie, i don't know. SOMEONE trapped him in the shack at somepoint. So he is beatable.

This does bring back into question, widmore's motives for having desmond compete in the around the world race. It would seem now, that the intent was to get desmond to the island for some reason in the first place. He got out and widmore is making him come back.

 

[oblagon]

Some went back when the wheel was turned, but not all. Why did no one else travel back as well is a big question, IMO. Widmore turning the wheel would risk everyone on the island getting moved in time, not just Desmond. Again, it seems only certain people travel, but why wouldn't jack, et al, go back in time, or forword, or sideways, or whatever, if the wheel was turned again?

I'm wondering if widmore got a jump to the future at some point or someone who knows the future came to him (desmond?)? He told locke a war (which seems to be team jacob vs team smokie) was coming to the island if he (locke) didn't return to the island. He died and couldn't return. Smokie took his form and now the war is set to begin. Perhaps desmond and magnetism or something is the key to defeating smokie, i don't know. SOMEONE trapped him in the shack at somepoint. So he is beatable.

This does bring back into question, widmore's motives for having desmond compete in the around the world race. It would seem now, that the intent was to get desmond to the island for some reason in the first place. He got out and widmore is making him come back.

Some people didn't travel through time when the donkey wheel was turned because they were too far away from the island in the helicopter or as Daniel put it "outside of the time distortion bubble".
But that's true if Widmore used the wheel everybody would be sent through time that's on the island.

I don't think Widmore has traveled through time. His line of "a war is coming" is just him guessing the inevitable. Sort of like us saying "it looks like it's going to rain today"
Also it's interesting that Widmore (if we can believe him) knows almost nothing about the MIB. Last night Lock asked Widmore what he knew about the MIB and his answer was "very little".

One person who is traveling though time IMO is Jacob. He told the others to build the runway for the plane; and he seems to not only act like this is all happened before but in his scene with Illayna (sp?) he layed out everything that was going to happen (even what seemed like random events) and how she should proceed with it.

 

[cboath]

Claire didn't travel in time. Neither did ben or 'the others' - all of whom were on the island when the wheel was turned.

There's still more to widmore than we know i'm thinking. I don't believe his war line was pure speculation. He knows something we don't at the moment.

 

[oblagon]

Maybe it's just the candidates that can time travel (would explain why a few were pulled from the plane and sent to 1977) or perhaps Claire had no idea she was in a different timeline. She mentioned that she had been in the jungle for three years, the same amount of time that had elapsed for the time traveling losties.
Not sure about the others as we really haven't seen them; outside of the temple people of course. Perhaps they were shielded from the anomaly with the temple?

 

[cboath]

On a small island for three years - you're going to run into someone. Plus, the 'others' at the temple knew her plenty. She ran into them from time to time it would seem. You don't get that rep in a couple days.

She was supposedly with smokie at the time of 'the moving of the island' and i supposed he could shield her. Who knows. Hopefully it's one of the answers we get in the next 7 weeks.