Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

But the con man wasnt there. He was just told that by the loan shark guy to play Sawyer and get him to do the dirty work. If James isn't a con man, and he isn't told by the other guy that Anthony Cooper is there, why does he go?

Is the real Tom Sawyer in Australia and not california? If so, did Jacob send him there as bait for FORD? "pushing" him to austalia as his Destiny?

My brain hurts
 
I liked seeing Richard's past and getting more puzzle pieces that fit the various aspects of the story together, but the big picture is still fuzzy.

So smoky is evil incarnate, that's not a big surprise. I like that he's taken John's body rather than us having to get used to another actor.

But who/what is Jacob? If he has long non-aging life and yet he can be killed... he has powers to give someone else long life, but not to bring someone back from the dead or pardon sins...

And the island might not be hell, but I don't buy that the island is some cork to keep evil from spreading. If so, newsflash to the writers, it's not working. Take a look around you. :confused

Have to say, I called it - I knew Hurley was talking to Richard's wife. :)
 
Re-watching the previous episode, I realized that Ford/Sawyer, a police detective, helped Kate escape from the airport pretty much *knowing* that she was a criminal. Interesting.
 
Good episode last night, it was interesting to see how richard got to the island and that the black rock was responsible for destroying the statue.

Call me sceptical but I'm still not completely buying that smoky is evil incarnate. Seems the writers are going out of there way to hit us over the head with that message and making it too obvious.
 
I found 18th century (or whenever) Richard's acting to be rather one-note. He was stupified for the entire hour.
 
Guri said:
But who/what is Jacob? If he has long non-aging life and yet he can be killed... he has powers to give someone else long life, but not to bring someone back from the dead or pardon sins...
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I beginning to think the island is like Pandora's box. Except that evil is trying to get the lid off without waiting for Pandora to lift it. Also locked in Pandora's box was hope. Jacob could be hope.
 
MaulWalker said:
I beginning to think the island is like Pandora's box. Except that evil is trying to get the lid off without waiting for Pandora to lift it. Also locked in Pandora's box was hope. Jacob could be hope.
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Very interesting theory.

It would make sense considering what Jacob confessed to Richard about bringing people to the island to prove people can make the right choices without being told what to do. Considering they've only been killed by Smoky, his 'hope' is a bit disturbing.
 
So smokey has been analyzing people since season 1 to see if they were capable of killing jacob and not to see if they were 'good' as originally theorized 5 years ago. Not everyone brought to the island has been killed by smokey, though, just those he's encountered and found lacking.

Don't forget all the dharmites on the island that weren't killed by him either.

I'm guessing smokey's name would be a big giveaway since they's still not used it. We've seen smokey call jacob by name a couple times now, but never the reverse. Short of a reply like 'Hey lucifer, how's it going', not sure what other names would be huge giveaways - unless it's something like widmore.

I also got the impression that the people jacob has bringing in have all be candidates to be his replacement. If there are 108 candidate names in that lighthouse, they have to have been from over the years. For whatever reason, the leading candidate to me is Ben. I think the episode where he rejected smokey and when given the chance, went with the good guys even though he felt they'd all hate him is what got him the job.

I could be wrong though.
 
I would put out there that Claire had not brutally killed any one or any thing until after smokey got his hooks into her and made her think the others took Aaron.

I thought last night's episode was only OK. I guess I was expecting that Richard might have a little more information on what is happening than nothing. They wrote him to be the single biggest stooge in the history of TV. After generations upon generations working with candidates and the others he really doesn't know ANYTHING about the island or the smoke monster, or Jacob? The others, as a culture, don't know ANYTHING?

That's weak.
 
cboath said:
So smokey has been analyzing people since season 1 to see if they were capable of killing jacob and not to see if they were 'good' as originally theorized 5 years ago. Not everyone brought to the island has been killed by smokey, though, just those he's encountered and found lacking.

Don't forget all the dharmites on the island that weren't killed by him either.
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It is odd that they were able to build the hatch without encountering problems with Smokey, but they had to have that sound system protection thing around their camp later on.
 
Intersting idea: Jacob and the "man in black" are the SAME GUY. That's why you never hear his name... he's also Jacob. Two "sides" of the same entity - yin and yang. That might be why Smokey can't up and kill Jacob himself...
 
Umm Didn't Claire slit one of the Others throats infront of Jin? I think that is brutally murdering someone by the definition of "murder!"

I think the episode of Richard was interesting but to dedicate an entire hour to how he got to the island (which was eluded to over time), how he met Jacob (which we already knew because he always stated this fact, and to tie in the Black Coral ship to the island.

Too much time wasted on things we already knew but they used the time as filler for an episode. I think they could have explained all that in 30 minutes.

Also what is the significance of Hurley talking to Isabella? What purpose does it server other than to close the book on Richard's feelings he had to her and to let her go?

I think the episode was good but simply filler and not related to the final episodes.

I hope we don't learn that this is all some big game with Losties and Others as pawns. Jacob and Smokey are the players and the island is the arena. This would be a complete let down.

I will keep watching just for the mere fact of learning how it ends but I am not looking at Emmy winning writing for the final episodes nor do I think they are going to WOW us in those final episodes.
 
Capn_Jack_Savvy said:
I hope we don't learn that this is all some big game with Losties and Others as pawns. Jacob and Smokey are the players and the island is the arena. This would be a complete let down.

I will keep watching just for the mere fact of learning how it ends but I am not looking at Emmy winning writing for the final episodes nor do I think they are going to WOW us in those final episodes.
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What would 'wow' you? Seriously, I'm not being factitious. I'm just happy if it's not lame, at this point. :lol

With surprise endings and mysteries the conclusion needs to be a counterweight to the story to be satisfying but they have led us on so well for so long, how do they balance it?

If it is some game, I would think that answers a lot of questions, and not totally lame IF who are they was something besides aliens, gods or personifications of concepts.

They have yet to explain the time shifting and magnetic effects of the island...
 
moffeaton said:
Intersting idea: Jacob and the "man in black" are the SAME GUY. That's why you never hear his name... he's also Jacob. Two "sides" of the same entity - yin and yang. That might be why Smokey can't up and kill Jacob himself...
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I was just talking to my boss about this same idea! I don't know if it will come to be the case, but I like it in theory.
 
Capn_Jack_Savvy said:
Also what is the significance of Hurley talking to Isabella? What purpose does it server other than to close the book on Richard's feelings he had to her and to let her go?
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Besides Miles, Hurley is the only one who can communicate with the dead. So that was to get Richard to realize what his purpose is. He says his life had no meaning. Jacob told Illana that Richard knew what to do next. Now he knows he has to stop Smokey from leaving the island. Now he has a purpose. I don't know how he'll do it. I'm thinking he will die in the battle though.
 
Capn_Jack_Savvy said:
Umm Didn't Claire slit one of the Others throats infront of Jin? I think that is brutally murdering someone by the definition of "murder!".
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And this happened AFTER Smokey got his hooks into her. Claire disappeared when she followed her father (smokey) to the cabin. Smokey lied to her, telling her that the others had taken him, but Aaron was simply left alone in the jungle.
 
My prediction...


The last scene of the last episode will have Jack and Locke sitting on the beach staring out into the ocean... with Locke saying "I really wish I could kill you right now."

Think about it... they've been at odds since the beginning. Any other candidate wouldn't have the same dramatic impact. Even though Hurley is more pure of heart, it'll be Jack that stays behind to contain Locke.
 
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