locked threads: Capt America/Thor

[JD]

Just a while ago the Capt. America and Thor threads discussing the costumes were locked in the OT. These were locked because there was discussion in the Replica Costumes forum.

The OT thread never discussed replicating these costumes, it was about the look and feel of the movie. I think it belonged in the OT. I think the moderator who moved it probably had the best interest in heart, but maybe acted with a little too much zeal.

The Costuming forum should be about making costumes and the intricacies of making and recreating the costumes, NOT about the announcement and discussion of them. I think this thread (and the Thor thread) belong in the OT so we can discuss the look and feel of this movie - and its costumes. Talk of recreating the costume belongs in the other forum.

I have no interest in the making this costume myself.... but, as a fanboy I am really interested in discussing the look and feel of the movie including the costumes. I hope the mod's reconsider locking the threads that truly belong in OT.

 

[dcarty]

That or perhaps merging the threads?

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

JD,

I already sent you a lengthy pm on this issue.

The lowdown:

The threads weren´t about "the look and feel of the movie".
They are still there for everyone to see, and you will see that only an absolute fraction of the 50 posts in the Cap-thread deal with something else than the costume. And if they do, it´s driven by the look of the costume.

Threads started because of and about costumes belong in the costuming thread, I am sure that noone will argue that. Same goes for props.
Threads in the OT are not stored for eternity, so information that might be gathered will be lost once the thread´s gone. So, it does not make much sense to post and discuss any information on costumes and props, even if it´s only pre-pro design, in the OT, once a discussion or research thread has been started in another forum.

A thread that is discussing a movie´s story and plot of course belongs in the OT, and will very likely find it´s way there once bits and pieces are published.

Funny thing, I can´t really remember any discussion of props and costumes in an OT-thread about a movie or a tv series

Michael
RPF staff

 

[JD]

JD,

The threads weren´t about "the look and feel of the movie".
They are still there for everyone to see, and you will see that only an absolute fraction of the 50 posts in the Cap-thread deal with something else than the costume. And if they do, it´s driven by the look of the costume.

The LOOK of the costume not REPLICATING the costume. It's the 'Replica Costumes' forum, this thread was not about that, it was about the Capt. America movie and the costume.

Threads started because of and about costumes belong in the costuming thread, I am sure that noone will argue that. Same goes for props.
Threads in the OT are not stored for eternity, so information that might be gathered will be lost once the thread´s gone. So, it does not make much sense to post and discuss any information on costumes and props, even if it´s only pre-pro design, in the OT, once a discussion or research thread has been started in another forum.

The costume was a good deal of the discussion.... I'll give you that. But, the thread was not about the REPLICATING it. There was lots of talk, mentions of the shield and other tidbits but in the end it was about the LOOK and FEEL of the movie (notably the costume) NOT REPRODUCING anything.

A thread that is discussing a movie´s story and plot of course belongs in the OT, and will very likely find it´s way there once bits and pieces are published.

Interesting, as I merely skimmed the first page of the locked thread and saw these comments, decidedly not about replicating the costume:

"I wonder if the movie ends with him going into deep freeze or if it overlaps into modern day Cap with his modern day tights!?"
"I'm wondering if this is the 40's version of Cap or maybe the 21st Century Cap we might see at the end of the flick."

"ea actually I'm curious on is this the modern Cap or WWII Cap, I was kinda hoping we'd see the triangular shield during WWII and then something about Stark finishing the one we saw in IM2. "

"I read an interview with the director where he mentions that we'll see two versions of the Cap costume in the film, one VERY true to the comics and one a little more realistic (which would be this one, I'd guess). I won't expand on it so I don't spoil anything for those 'sensitive' types! "

"kind of surprised the kept the shield as simple as it is."
"I'm not up on Marvel anymore, is this the Ultimates version of Cap? "
"i thought he was black ??"

"if I'm seeing it right it looks like it has an anodized quality to the colors. That might look cool carried over to the physical prop."
"wow , he has such a big hammer "
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This was just a quick skim and off the front page of 2 page thread.

As stated before, this is micromanaging the forum overall and a moderating NOT moderating, but instead dictating the flow of the forum. It leads to more confusion and to creating duplicate posts.

There's also the fact that you killed a thread that had twice as many posts as the one you left in its place. It's clear where the dicussion was and wasn't.

As you stated in PM, this isn't about my "convenience"... this is about where a thread properly belongs, this isn't about being "inconsiderate"... it's about moderating and dictating the flow of discussion in a thread on a forum.

 

[upandatom]

I agree with JD. While the topics are similar, the costuming thread would center more around the actual re-creation of the costume (fabrics, materials, etc...) whereas the OT thread would center more on the film itself, and thoughts on the actors and style of the costume.

There's room for both, right?

 

[EvilRocketeer]

I agree as well with JD and upandatom.

I was totally thinking the same thing when I found out it was locked earlier and redirected to the replica costumes thread. They are two entirely different threads..Replica costumes goes in depth of making the costume: materials etc etc, while in the ot we can talk about anything.

 

[kalarcana]

So based on this, should we move the 50,000+ Iron Man threads to the Costume section? They all mention some part of his costume. It wouldn't be any different than the Captain America thread.

I'm not trying to be a jerk but I honestly don't see the difference. If one is moved they all should be moved. I agree with JD and the others, I don't think the original thread should have been moved.

Michael, I don't think that your original intention of describing the reasons why the thread were moved actually match the "perception" of myself and others. I just don't follow your logic in this. Based on your previous post it sounds like all threads that mention any part of a costume should be moved to the Replica Movie Costumes sub-forum. An example would be a previous thread talking about Obi-wan cloaks during Episode 3. The discussion was that since he kept dropping his cloak everywhere he went that maybe he had a secret stash of them around somewhere. Should that thread have been moved to the Replica Movie Costumes sub-forum?

I'm not bashing Michael or anyone else. Maybe I'm daft due to all of the overtime and lack of sleep. However, I can't follow your reasoning on this. Could you please explain your reasons a little clearer?



Rick

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Hey guys,

I just decided to reopen the Cap-thread again. The "Thor"-thread won´t be reopened, since the discussion is not any different from what is going on in the costuming thread. New Thor 2011 movie discussion thread? Any day!

I can see where you want to go with that thread, so if it really goes into that direction it will be a valid discussion about the movie itself.

JD, the first thread about the new Captain America movie was created two days prior to the thread in question, so it would have been easy to find it. Granted, it´s in the props forum and could be moved to the costuming forum, but props and costumes are still closer to each other than the OT probably is.
Your examples of a discussion of the movie itself are mostly very tiny parts of posts that started with the discussion of the costume. Which touches upon my view of things and...

Rick,
Regarding my "personal logic" in this, it goes as follows:

Thread mainly discussing movie costume, with slight deviations towards the movie´s plot and story => costuming forum

Thread mainly discussing movie´s story and plot, with slight deviations towards costume => OT

Of course one or the other discussion will go into a direction that touches on subjects mainly handled in another subforum.
"Iron man" is a good example.
Saying that, according to my previous statements, a thread should be moved from the OT because it slightly touches a costuming subject is trying to simplify my stated reasoning wayyy to much. I don´t see what part of my statement would make you think this.

As stated before, this is micromanaging the forum overall and a moderating NOT moderating, but instead dictating the flow of the forum. It leads to more confusion and to creating duplicate posts.

"Dictating" the flow of the forum is done from the start by having various subforums, with guidelines what should go into what forum.

I still do not understand what could lead to double posts and "confusion", except a lack of usage of the search function, and mainly staying on pages 1 and 2.
All who posted here have seen the recent threads about the issue of multiple posts and the lack of the use of the forum search, that not only new members, but a lot of senior members need to be reminded of time and time again.

It of course is a personal choice if a member does not visit all forums, and thus deprives himself from a potentially great experience.

But laying the blame for multiple threads on "micromanagement" is not justified. How can moderation be accountable in advance for multiple threads? This would mean that you are critizising the over-all forum structure.

Guys, the thread´s been opened up again, I changed the thread title to make it look a bit more general, although in hindsight Upandatom´s original title didn´t leave that much to desire.

And btw, I am curious as hell myself to see where they are taking Cap on this ride...

Regards,
Michael
RPF staff