Same with me. I don't think I've seen more than a couple of any of the shows since he retired.
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Same with me. I don't think I've seen more than a couple of any of the shows since he retired.
EvilRocketeer
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Maybe you guys should do a little research before yapping about jay leno. It isn't his fault. Blame NBC for this mess
It started when Conan's contract was coming to an end. Fox was extremely interested in conan because their weekly schedule is based on reruns of simpsons and married with children (now tmz), and offered him millions of dollars. ABC wanted to fire jimmy kimmel, and they offered conan money as well, so he can replace the jimmy kimmel show. Basically fox and abc were in the head running.( A cable channel wanted conan as well but gave up during negotiations, but a few years later they ended up with george lopez. Fox has wanda sykes now.)
NBC got scared of the thought of having conan compete with jay leno in the ratings, and didnt want jay to be out done with letterman and conan.
Conan is a huge fan of the tonight show, and it has been his dream to host it. On his old stage on the conan obrien show, he had pictures of past host of the tonight show.
NBC told leno that he will not receive another contract from nbc and it was time to retire because they wanted to keep conan since at the time he was the up and coming host or popular among young people
Leno had no other option but to agree or they wouldnt renew his contract at the time. Basically he was forced.
Throught the remaining months of the conan obrien show, craig fergusion was beating or coming close to conans ratings. Nbc got scared because if fergusion got that close to conans than letterman would slaughter him.
Fox, ABC, A FEW cable networks went after Jay Leno....Once again, the NBC panic and offered him a deal to stay with NBC, so they wouldnt have to worry about leno competing with conan for ratings. Leno stayed since he had history with the network.
Now, NBC was bought out by a new company aka comcast, and the new company is going to reorginize the network due to the mistakes the previous execs made.
I also heard, that Nbc is considering buying out conans contract and releasing him.
Personally, Johnny Carson was the man. I grew up as a kid watching him and letterman.
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Actually, CHUCK premiers this Sunday at 9:00pm. Then regular air times
will be Mondays at 8:00pm.
I can't wait. Chuck is an awesome show. :thumbsup
YES!! Conan rocks. Can't blame him one bit. I'd happily watch wherever he lands.
If that press release is to be believed, then I say bravo to the guy for taking a stand for both the show and his side.
-Gary
If that press release is to be believed, then I say bravo to the guy for taking a stand for both the show and his side.
-Gary
The Stig
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Just in case people are wondering about this press release:
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/conan-obrien-resigning-tonight-show/
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/conan-obrien-resigning-tonight-show/
Doesn't sound to me like he's resigning at all, instead it sounds to me like he's not budging... Which is a good thing.
Qui-Gonzalez
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Leno was NEVER funny. Good lord, why is this ****** still employed?
EvilRocketeer
Master Member
Leno has his moments of being really fun, but those dont come as often. I think the older crowd are so used to him that they enjoy watching him.
Conan's humor is different which I am sure some older adults dont find funny...It seems like Conan has been holding back a lot.
Personally, I like carson. Johnny Carson was amazing.
ALso, I was searching ratings, and it seems like Craig Fergusion even beat conan in ratings a few times, and Fergusion is on a hour later.
Found this online
On Monday Kevin Reilly, the president of Fox Entertainment, strongly endorsed Mr. O’Brien in an interview. “He would be a very compatible fit for our brand,” Mr. Reilly said. “He is one of the few guys on the planet that has demonstrated he can do one of these shows every night.”
Conan's humor is different which I am sure some older adults dont find funny...It seems like Conan has been holding back a lot.
Personally, I like carson. Johnny Carson was amazing.
ALso, I was searching ratings, and it seems like Craig Fergusion even beat conan in ratings a few times, and Fergusion is on a hour later.
Found this online
On Monday Kevin Reilly, the president of Fox Entertainment, strongly endorsed Mr. O’Brien in an interview. “He would be a very compatible fit for our brand,” Mr. Reilly said. “He is one of the few guys on the planet that has demonstrated he can do one of these shows every night.”
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Solo4114
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Interesting little game of brinksmanship, and one that NBC is going to have to very seriously consider. Conan has now said he won't go for the compromise position, and frankly, I don't blame him.
So, as I read it, the situation is as follows:
1.) The Jay Leno Show has been canceled and won't be back. NBC is HIGHLY unlikely to "uncancel" the show at this point, and anyway, it was a proven loser.
2.) The Tonight Show will not move from 11:35 to 12:05 because, well, then it's the TOMORROW show.
3.) Conan has a contract with NBC to do the Tonight Show, probably unless they cancel it. There may be a buy-out provision if they terminate him early.
4.) NBC is now faced with a very difficult decision: do they stick Leno back in on the Tonight Show and buy Conan's contract out, at which point he'd probably just jump ship to Fox, compete in the same slot, and likely beat Leno....or do they send Leno out to pasture finally?
Ultimately it comes down to a tough decision on the viability of Jay Leno on the Tonight Show. Does NBC have faith in him doing this? If they do, why'd they stick Conan in his place? It's possible that Leno's contract also requires a buy-out if they can't place him in a different show, so the decision may also have to do with $$ rather than simply ratings.
My hunch? Conan calls their bluff with this move, and I bet NBC blinks first and Leno is just gone. They won't put Leno in to the Tonight Show, and they'll now have to fire Conan (and pay him) in order to keep Leno around. Leno was slipping in the late night ratings, and he sucked at 10pm AND screwed their schedule royally. NBC gambled big and lost big and now they have to sort out the mess. But at the end of the day, I think Leno's era is just over with. His time has come and gone and it's time for him to move to, say, producing other shows rather than doing his own. Something tells me that, while he'd be a bit disappointed, he probably won't mind all that much. He can always cry himself to sleep in one of his classic cars or on a bed made out of $1,000 bills.
In fairness, I don't blame either Leno or Conan for their decisions. They're doign what they thought was the right move for their careers and what presumably makes them happy. The blame here lies squarely with the former NBC execs (unless Comcast kept 'em around) for sticking Leno in at 10. My hunch is that, with the success of lower-budget "reality" shows like American Idol and such, NBC figured people just don't give a crap about drama anymore, so why not give it a shot? The end result was a massive screwup and the execs running the show at this point tried their best to come up with a compromise position which has now been neatly shot to pieces. Leno could always say "After due consideration, I have to agree with my good friend Conan, and so I am not going to take a position at 11:35. I look forward to this next phase in my life and blah blah blah", which would solve the problem -- sort of. It's possible he DID say that, followed by "Now pay me my damn money" which is what caused NBC to try for this solution first.
I have a hunch Leno's attitude is "Look, I'll keep working if you pay me, and I'll go for this if it's cool with everyone else, but you're GONNA pay me in accordance with my contract one way or the other. Either pay me for working, or pay me to go away, but pay me you will." I expect that Leno and Conan both had enough negotiating power to say "If you can me before the contract's up, you pay me severance," so the late-night time slot shuffle move may have been NBC's attempt to save a little cash.
So, as I read it, the situation is as follows:
1.) The Jay Leno Show has been canceled and won't be back. NBC is HIGHLY unlikely to "uncancel" the show at this point, and anyway, it was a proven loser.
2.) The Tonight Show will not move from 11:35 to 12:05 because, well, then it's the TOMORROW show.
3.) Conan has a contract with NBC to do the Tonight Show, probably unless they cancel it. There may be a buy-out provision if they terminate him early.
4.) NBC is now faced with a very difficult decision: do they stick Leno back in on the Tonight Show and buy Conan's contract out, at which point he'd probably just jump ship to Fox, compete in the same slot, and likely beat Leno....or do they send Leno out to pasture finally?
Ultimately it comes down to a tough decision on the viability of Jay Leno on the Tonight Show. Does NBC have faith in him doing this? If they do, why'd they stick Conan in his place? It's possible that Leno's contract also requires a buy-out if they can't place him in a different show, so the decision may also have to do with $$ rather than simply ratings.
My hunch? Conan calls their bluff with this move, and I bet NBC blinks first and Leno is just gone. They won't put Leno in to the Tonight Show, and they'll now have to fire Conan (and pay him) in order to keep Leno around. Leno was slipping in the late night ratings, and he sucked at 10pm AND screwed their schedule royally. NBC gambled big and lost big and now they have to sort out the mess. But at the end of the day, I think Leno's era is just over with. His time has come and gone and it's time for him to move to, say, producing other shows rather than doing his own. Something tells me that, while he'd be a bit disappointed, he probably won't mind all that much. He can always cry himself to sleep in one of his classic cars or on a bed made out of $1,000 bills.
In fairness, I don't blame either Leno or Conan for their decisions. They're doign what they thought was the right move for their careers and what presumably makes them happy. The blame here lies squarely with the former NBC execs (unless Comcast kept 'em around) for sticking Leno in at 10. My hunch is that, with the success of lower-budget "reality" shows like American Idol and such, NBC figured people just don't give a crap about drama anymore, so why not give it a shot? The end result was a massive screwup and the execs running the show at this point tried their best to come up with a compromise position which has now been neatly shot to pieces. Leno could always say "After due consideration, I have to agree with my good friend Conan, and so I am not going to take a position at 11:35. I look forward to this next phase in my life and blah blah blah", which would solve the problem -- sort of. It's possible he DID say that, followed by "Now pay me my damn money" which is what caused NBC to try for this solution first.
I have a hunch Leno's attitude is "Look, I'll keep working if you pay me, and I'll go for this if it's cool with everyone else, but you're GONNA pay me in accordance with my contract one way or the other. Either pay me for working, or pay me to go away, but pay me you will." I expect that Leno and Conan both had enough negotiating power to say "If you can me before the contract's up, you pay me severance," so the late-night time slot shuffle move may have been NBC's attempt to save a little cash.
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Qui-Gonzalez
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So now, Conan can spend the next 4 years sunning it up and getting paid $80m to do nothing. Good for him.
From what I have read, if NBC violates Conan's contract, they owe him $50 million. However, if he jumps to another network, whatever he makes there is put towards that $50 Mil. So if he jumps ship, I hope he works for a dollar a year, so NBC has to pay him BUCKETS of money.
EvilRocketeer
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leno did the same..Leno brought his writer's lunch and dinner, and he stood on the picket lines with his writers a few days.
It is very unfortunate what is happening with Conan. Tmz called it though. A few months ago they predicted this would happen
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