Julien’s Upcoming Hero Phaser & Communicator Auction

[Racer_X]

Does anyone have a high rez image of the following scene in "The Man Trap" where IMO there are two Hero P2s hanging on gold belts in the same scene?:
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Two Hero P2s hanging on gold belts implies two Hero P1s with Velcro on the left side.

Here you go - from the Blu-ray.

 

[TOS Phaser]

Here you go - from the Blu-ray.

Racer_X, Awesome - thank You!

 

[TOS Phaser]

Yep - Looks like two Hero P2s hanging on gold pistol belts to me.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Yep - Looks like two Hero P2s hanging on gold pistol belts to me.
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those could only be hero's

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Feek61, what about two letter acronyms for the Hero P2s and 4 letter acronyms for the Hero P1s?

UK = Unknown P2
FN = Finney P2
GJ = Greg Jein P2
RL = Riley/Lenore P2

and since we are all using TMOST for the Hero P1 currently on the Finney P2, why not continue it with:

NONA = The Hero P1 held by the character "Nona" in "A Private Little War"
MOST = The Hero P1 photographed in the book "The Making of Star Trek" which is on the FN P2 currently ready to be auctioned...
JEIN = The Hero P1 with Velcro that ended up on Gren Jein's P2
LOST = The Hero P1 with Velcro that looked like the Jein P1 except it was thicker - more like the MOST...

as long as you have a "Legend" that defines your acronyms/names or numbers there should be no problem.

Just keep it to one list as the P2's can only operate with the P1

 

[Leinads]

How about these semi-random 9-digit alphanumeric designations because they’re super easy to remember?

TDddO914(.01) - Conscience /Lenore /Riley
N7u44z02J(.02)- Greg Jein
LZg822n3f(.03) - TMOST / Finley
YMrh73u8G(.04) - Nona / My Sharona

You’ll have them memorized in no time ~

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

How about these semi-random 9-digit alphanumeric designations because they’re super easy to remember?

TDddO914(.01) - Conscience /Lenore /Riley
N7u44z02J(.02)- Greg Jein
LZg822n3f(.03) - TMOST / Finley
YMrh73u8G(.04) - Nona / My Sharona

You’ll have them memorized in no time ~

Silence....

 

[feek61]

I see your point - and just realized I stepped out of my season one B&W Hero tables when I started putting in the episodes in which the WMC Hero P2s and P1s were filmed... D*@#!

Once again I have to thank feek61! Thank You feek61!

I am not even looking at the B&W heroes, only the converted heroes. It will be interesting to match your research with mine and try to match-up the various B&W heroes with their converted counterparts. Maybe you have already done this. I have not seen any evidence that the P1s were switch between the P2 bodies conversely, there is evidence that the P1's were paired with specific P2's, reinforced by the fact that two surviving P2's (50% of the heroes) still have the same P1's that they had during the series. This would be unlikely if they P1's were randomly switched between P2's during the series. If this assumption is incorrect, it severely impairs identifying the heroes in the series and the research may reveal this; time with tell. Honestly, I never seriously pursued doing this project in the past because of the uncertainty of the interchanging P1 question but now that we have the two heroes with the original P1's which reinforces the theory that they were a matched pair, it makes the exercise of going through every single relevant episode to identify the P2's more viable, and fun!!

These appears to be the GJ from "Shore Leave"

 

[TOS Phaser]

I am not even looking at the B&W heroes, only the converted heroes.

Here is your image with inverted colors:

And here is a zoom of your image with annotation lines:

There are two things about this image that are striking:
1. The nozzle is too high to be the Greg Jein P2.
2. The sight window (not to mention the clip shape) is too small to be the Greg Jein P2.
IMO the Greg Jein P2 had the largest sight window.


Also the following image is not from a B&W study it from the same scene and Kirk has already dry fired at Sulu's Tiger and his rolling the P2 in his hand to put it back to hang on his pants Velcro patch:

This Hero P1 (which no one to my knowledge doubts is a Hero) appears to me to be thicker/taller in the rear than the Jein P2.

I have no stake in whether or not the Greg Jein was filmed after WMC "reworked" the Hero Phasers for Herb Solow.

And I am thinking - I need to present my findings of my B&W study with screen grabs...
Because there are clearly two Hero Phaser Unit # 1s with Velcro on the left side for "hanging" Hero P2s on gold belts in episode 6, "The Man Trap".
I will also try to find the TPZ post that Mobius303 made about what "the collectors" said of the 4th Hero P1...

 

[TOS Phaser]

Speaking of sight windows and clips:

The Hero P2 on the left is from episode 17, "Shore Leave" and the Hero P2 on the right is from episode 6, "The Man Trap". These two Hero P2s appear to be the same to me.

And if the comparison photo above does not convince you:

I admit lighting, lighting and lighting... However the Hero P1 with Velcro in the Hero P2 filmed in episode 17, "Shore Leave", appears to be thicker than the Jein Hero P1 shown in in the Greg Jein P2 on the far right - while appearing to be the same thickness as the Hero P1 shown in the FN P2 in the middle...

 

[TOS Phaser]

I have hesitated to rename them because these names have been attached to some of them for decades.

I have begun updating my Hero P1 trace table using the nomenclature I mentioned. The following table is an example and is not complete and is based on my B&W Hero P2 study with several WMC Hero P2s filmed:

Finney P2 = FN
Unknown P2 = UK
Greg Jein P2 = GJ
Riley/Lenore = RL

also I used the following acronyms for the Hero P1s:

Most P1 = TMOST P1 - - just to fit the 4 letter designations other have been using for decades:
Nona P1
Jein P1
Lost P1 - - the fourth Hero P1 that also had Velcro on the left side for hanging P2s on gold belts and no jewel as the Jein P1.

I see no reason why the Hero P1s could not be swapped between the Hero P2s, after WMC "reworked" the props, just as they were swapped when they were B&W P2s to meet filming requirements - especially when the Hero P2s were being damaged in season 1 before "the highly accurate dummy phasers" were made by the Desilu Effects Department. I have never argued with the idea that P2s and P1s were made together. You see this clearly in the outtake shot of the "Unknown" P2 with the Nona P1 .

 

[Gregatron]

Speaking of sight windows and clips:

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The Hero P2 on the left is from episode 17, "Shore Leave" and the Hero P2 on the right is from episode 6, "The Man Trap". These two Hero P2s appear to be the same to me.

And if the comparison photo above does not convince you:

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I admit lighting, lighting and lighting... However the Hero P1 with Velcro in the Hero P2 filmed in episode 17, "Shore Leave", appears to be thicker than the Jein Hero P1 shown in in the Greg Jein P2 on the far right - while appearing to be the same thickness as the Hero P1 shown in the FN P2 in the middle...

Note the very slightly skewed angle of the front edge of the forehead tower’s aluminum clip, which is a tell.

 

[feek61]

I see what you are saying and I think you are right (which really throws a curve ball in my theory of the P1's being matched to specific P2's lol). Clearly the windows are different from the Shore Leave and GJ. Back to the drawing board!!! lol

 

[feek61]

I am not sure you can compare the pre WMC P1's with the modified ones because of the work he did on them. There is no telling what he actually did to them. The UK P1 (lost) B & W could have been converted to a two rail P1 without Velcro fairly easily.

 

[feek61]

I have begun updating my Hero P1 trace table using the nomenclature I mentioned. The following table is an example and is not complete and is based on my B&W Hero P2 study with several WMC Hero P2s filmed:

Finney P2 = FN
Unknown P2 = UK
Greg Jein P2 = GJ
Riley/Lenore = RL

also I used the following acronyms for the Hero P1s:

Most P1 = TMOST P1 - - just to fit the 4 letter designations other have been using for decades:
Nona P1
Jein P1
Lost P1 - - the fourth Hero P1 that also had Velcro on the left side for hanging P2s on gold belts and no jewel as the Jein P1.

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I see no reason why the Hero P1s could not be swapped between the Hero P2s, after WMC "reworked" the props, just as they were swapped when they were B&W P2s to meet filming requirements - especially when the Hero P2s were being damaged in season 1 before "the highly accurate dummy phasers" were made by the Desilu Effects Department. I have never argued with the idea that P2s and P1s were made together. You see this clearly in the outtake shot of the "Unknown" P2 with the Nona P1 .

In "Court Martial" Kirk has the short emitter Conscience / Lenore / Riley phaser and the P1 obviously has a watch crown, not the flat red jewel that we know the Nona had.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

I see what you are saying and I think you are right (which really throws a curve ball in my theory of the P1's being matched to specific P2's lol). Clearly the windows are different from the Shore Leave and GJ. Back to the drawing board!!! lol

We know they have to be matched based on the way they sit in their respective cradles.

to get the rear of the P1 seated correctly they would be matched pairs otherwise you get gaps when they are mounted.

Even the front clips are the same width it's just the finish work (filing and sanding) that gives either sharp or rounded corners...

 

[feek61]

We know they have to be matched based on the way they sit in their respective cradles.

to get the rear of the P1 seated correctly they would be matched pairs otherwise you get gaps when they are mounted.

Even the front clips are the same width it's just the finish work (filing and sanding) that gives either sharp or rounded corners...

Well, that was my theory as well but the Shore Leave clip disputes that.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Well, that was my theory as well but the Shore Leave clip disputes that.

We might see a difference of 1/64th of an inch, yet that can be accounted for by them being cut by hand.

I know from personal experience aluminum is very easy to remove too much material by accident.

The other thing that gives the illusion is how the shells were cut and filed as we know each set has to be hand sanded for an optimal fit and finish.

 

[feek61]

I am still doing my research including photometric analysis . . . but not tonight, going out for the evening.

 

[TOS Phaser]

I am not sure you can compare the pre WMC P1's with the modified ones because of the work he did on them. There is no telling what he actually did to them.

That was my conclusion as well - because I can see the shapes of the B&W Hero P1s are not the same after WMC "reworked" them.

Could it be he had to make repairs to at least one of the B&W Hero P1s. For example - I swear the B&W Hero P1 with Velcro (Jein P1) looks like the bottom/cover is either cracked or open in the combat scene on the planet's surface where the Hero B&W P2 on Kirk's belt is the RL P2.