Julien’s Upcoming Hero Phaser & Communicator Auction

[newworld]

Do you want to see something cool???? This is a scan of the GJ and a side photo of the TMOST.

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Hey, I have one of those! Though mine’s not animated - I just turned a layer on and off. This actually nicely shows one of the details I got snagged on - the detail at the top of the grip. The radius of the detail obviously does not match. But with do many SUPER HARD TO FAKE details matching perfectly - like the ten-turn, linkages, and nozzle - I chalked it up to finishing by hand. Plus, it you’re making a fake, that is one of the simplest areas to get right. The ten-turn in and of itself was sort-of a mini-authentication for me. Perfect match, looking like it came from the same batch in 1966. Along with tons of other stuff, naturally, but THAT spoke volumes.

BTW, while I can’t know what the original piece was in the ten-turn position, the ten-turn itself consists of the surface knob and the hidden cylinder which permits the indexing so that is all one assembly. I assume the original detail just sat on the surface because it didn’t actually need to do anything.

 

[Gregatron]

Hey, I have one of those! Though mine’s not animated - I just turned a layer on and off. This actually nicely shows one of the details I got snagged on - the detail at the top of the grip. The radius of the detail obviously does not match. But with do many SUPER HARD TO FAKE details matching perfectly - like the ten-turn, linkages, and nozzle - I chalked it up to finishing by hand. Plus, it you’re making a fake, that is one of the simplest areas to get right. The ten-turn in and of itself was sort-of a mini-authentication for me. Perfect match, looking like it came from the same batch in 1966. Along with tons of other stuff, naturally, but THAT spoke volumes.

It appears increasingly likely that the grip ribs were cut by hand (be it from plastic or tongue depressors or whatever). And I presume that a new, simpler handle (without the rounded rib tops) was created and molded along with the hero P2 shells to create the midgrades.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

It appears increasingly likely that the grip ribs were cut by hand (be it from plastic or tongue depressors or whatever). And I presume that a new, simpler handle (without the rounded rib tops) was created and molded along with the hero P2 shells to create the midgrades.

Correct. The midgrade handle was carved from wood, primed & painted then made molds

 

[QuasiOdo]

Do you want to see something cool???? This is a scan of the GJ and a side photo of the TMOST.

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One thing about these heroes I'm wondering about: Is the pistol body color the same? Any gray (or blue/gray) is a notoriously difficult value to pin down. (Photog here.) Are any controlled colorimetric comparisons possible?
Those switching comparison shots vary drastically in color temperature.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

One thing about these heroes I'm wondering about: Is the pistol body color the same? Any gray (or blue/gray) is a notoriously difficult value to pin down. (Photog here.) Are any controlled colorimetric comparisons possible?
Those switching comparison shots vary drastically in color temperature.

They are probably the same or close to it.

What we must remember even if they are both the same color, if there's been repairs or a repaint the color will get darker as the older oil base paints tended to get darker with each layer of paint....

Mike Moore has a book on Amazon you can get that has controlled color photo for the Jein Phaser

 

[newworld]

One thing about these heroes I'm wondering about: Is the pistol body color the same? Any gray (or blue/gray) is a notoriously difficult value to pin down. (Photog here.) Are any controlled colorimetric comparisons possible?
Those switching comparison shots vary drastically in color temperature.

I’m a graphic designer so I know exactly what you’re talking about. Lighting, lighting, lighting. IMO, unless you can get at least two pieces together you can’t know anything for sure.

 

[Gregatron]

Something I just noticed—due to different trimming of the P2 shells, the P1s on both the Jein and TMOST sit in the cradle the same way, but the Jein is shorter in the back and has a thicker forehead tower, while the TMOST is longer in the back and has a thinner tower.

And, of course, the placement of the ten-turns is different on both.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Something I just noticed—due to different trimming of the P2 shells, the P1s on both the Jein and TMOST sit in the cradle the same way, but the Jein is shorter in the back and has a thicker forehead tower, while the TMOST is longer in the back and has a thinner tower.

And, of course, the placement of the ten-turns is different on both.

Right because of how the front tower was trimmed they had to adjust the back in.

Also take not that the shape of the cradle is slightly different as the P1 is a precise fit in the Jein phaser and the but end of the P1 on the TMOST sits up to high.... either because of how the release is set to catch or this isn't the original P1 for this particular P2 (I suspect the P1 release needs adjusting so it sits correctly)

 

[Chrisisall]

Right because of how the front tower was trimmed they had to adjust the back in.

Also take not that the shape of the cradle is slightly different as the P1 is a precise fit in the Jein phaser and the but end of the P1 on the TMOST sits up to high.... either because of how the release is set to catch or this isn't the original P1 for this particular P2 (I suspect the P1 release needs adjusting so it sits correctly)

The catch was missing in these pictures, as I understand it JLong has since replaced it.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

The catch was missing in these pictures, as I understand it JLong has since replaced it.

Either way I'm still correct.

 

[feek61]

Right because of how the front tower was trimmed they had to adjust the back in.

Also take not that the shape of the cradle is slightly different as the P1 is a precise fit in the Jein phaser and the but end of the P1 on the TMOST sits up to high.... either because of how the release is set to catch or this isn't the original P1 for this particular P2 (I suspect the P1 release needs adjusting so it sits correctly)

Which is why I believe that each P1 was matched with a specific P2 body.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Which is why I believe that each P1 was matched with a specific P2 body.

I agree as it only makes sense and each p2 has the cradle and all other cuts determined by the tower so it's very clear they had a specific blueprint before they started and adjusted accordingly.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Pro Tip of the day I recommend everyone picking up one of these RAL K7 color chart it's basically the average man's version of the Pantone color chips...

 

[feek61]

One thing about these heroes I'm wondering about: Is the pistol body color the same? Any gray (or blue/gray) is a notoriously difficult value to pin down. (Photog here.) Are any controlled colorimetric comparisons possible?
Those switching comparison shots vary drastically in color temperature.

I averaged the colors out several years ago and this is what I got but lighting conditions would change it. I think I used about 20 different photos back then but probably need to do it again with this new information.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

I actually did find two very close matches using the RAL K7 Color Chart, 216 Colors

These colors match the Mid-Grade Phasers;

Phaser 1:

Anthracite Grey 7016

Phaser 2 body:

Iron Grey 7011

You can get the RAL K7 chart on Amazon

 

[feek61]

Done, delivery tomorrow!!

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Done, delivery tomorrow!!

I recommended the $27 only because it's something everyone can afford, has smaller color chips than the RAL K5 (which costs $57)

It's basically Europe's version of the Pantone colors you should be able to use it at any Shermin Williams paint store to have colors matched.

I strongly recommend avoiding: Walmart, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware and most other home improvement stores for having custom paint mixed.

IF things come up short I can mix up batches of paint by hand.

 

[newworld]

The catch was missing in these pictures, as I understand it JLong has since replaced it.

Not JL but it was fixed. It was present but loose.

 

[Chrisisall]

Not JL but it was fixed. It was present but loose.

Thanks, I stand corrected/better informed.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

Thanks, I stand corrected/better informed.

You're learning kid