John Carter (Post-release)

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At least they had the balls to do retro-Sci Fi.
I'd love War of the Worlds to get the same treatment.
 
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I went to see it with Tripoli at the 3D IMAX. I was surprised at how good it was. Not perfect of course; but a lot better than I expected. The dying world of Barsoom felt real. The musical score was good but not memorable in a John Williams sort of way. Vastly superior to Conan, marginally inferior to Avatar.


At least that's the way I felt leaving the Forum 30. Very much enjoyed the Avengers trailer before the movie also.
 
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Sourdoh said:
The last attempt at this (Traci Lords Princess of Mars 2009) was soooo miserably awful that I despaired of ever seeing a good version of the book(s).
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This is on SYFY right now and I feel like I should kick my own a$$ for sitting thru this
 
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Spoilers? Sorta?

Just saw it and I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. I'm a big fan of the books, and I was distracted throughout by them throwing out the original plot.

I'm not a guy who wants adaptations to remain 100% true, but I'm afraid they watered down everything that made the original special. For me, the center of the whole thing is the love story between John Carter and Dejah Thoris, and that seemed like an afterthought, while the movie spent time on new stuff they had added in.

Even Dejah Thoris. I like the changes they made, and Lynn Collins was brilliant, but in superficially making her a more rounded character they removed her agency and power. In the book, she makes choices and acts on them for the good of her people. In the movie she's forced into situations by others who were forced into situations (by others who, etc).

In fact, no one in the movie makes any choices or feels any thing at all. No one is in control of them self, they're all just kind of there.

It looked great, and the CG was top notch, but it made me sad that today we are no longer allowed to be great, or feel great things for each other, rather we must small, flawed and tentative, and mistakenly call that "realistic."
 
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spectre_general said:
Even Dejah Thoris. I like the changes they made, and Lynn Collins was brilliant, but in superficially making her a more rounded character they removed her agency and power. In the book, she makes choices and acts on them for the good of her people. In the movie she's forced into situations by others who were forced into situations (by others who, etc).
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I agree that the situations sort of took over the plot, a sad fact of contemporary book-to-movie adaptions, I guess. Still, it was a lot more faithful than I expected it to be...
 
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You sound like a 01%er, thinking that this country and Barsoom are meritocracies where hard work and bravery might elevate you above the other 99%.

Get your head straight. This should not be a culture of equal opportunity but rather a land of equal freebies. Your thirst for exceptionalism betrays that you have no heart and are probably clinging to a gun or Bible.

Everyone is ENTITLED to a beautiful Martian Princess and a four armed army of followers.
 
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outlander said:
You sound like a 01%er, thinking that this country and Barsoom are meritocracies where hard work and bravery might elevate you above the other 99%.
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Hard work, bravery AND INTELLIGENT CHOICES can elevate you above the average human or Thark; the law of both jungles makes it so, and always has.

And only I get a Martian princess!!!:cool
 
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I have to admit I never heard of the character before. but that is because of me living under a rock.
I usually don't like to see someone fail but i hope Disney takes a big money hit on this one. Films with these sky rocketing budgets have to come to an end. no film should cost the est. $250,000,000 that this film is rumoured to have. I mean really...most of this film, like all these CGI "block busters", are shot in front of a green screen. Not much of the budget was spent on sets so lots of computor geeks getting paid here it seems. thats my 2 cents...
 
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joker-scar said:
most of this film, like all these CGI "block busters", are shot in front of a green screen. Not much of the budget was spent on sets so lots of computor geeks getting paid here it seems. thats my 2 cents...
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Actually, most of the film was shot on location in Utah. Just sayin'.
 
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$30 million domestic, but it made $70 million internationally, total of $100 million worldwide for the weekend.
 
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At least the weak opening (if $100 million is weak. Why are we ignoring international?) is being blamed on the excessively poor marketing, for which Disney deserves a slap.
 
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Must say the cg battle clips I've seen on TV read like a catalogue of every abuse I've seen the cg-tool put to over the last 15 years: ONCE AGAIN we are bombarded with awkward stilted motion, cartoon weightlessness, ludicrous swooping p.o.v.s and all the rest of it... Add to this the hideous clip of Carter (if he it be) grunting out "we didn't start this but by gum we're gonna end in it" or whatever it is he burbles, and I have to say wild horses couldn't drag me in there...
 
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I think it didn't do well is because of the fact that it's been released in a period of time where there's an over abundance in "films inspired by" the "story that started it all" to the point where when the original story is told, it's doesn't have a chance. Plus, the trailer probably didn't help out in drawing an audience.
 
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Colin Droidmilk said:
Must say the cg battle clips I've seen on TV read like a catalogue of every abuse I've seen the cg-tool put to over the last 15 years: ONCE AGAIN we are bombarded with awkward stilted motion, cartoon weightlessness, ludicrous swooping p.o.v.s and all the rest of it... Add to this the hideous clip of Carter (if he it be) grunting out "we didn't start this but by gum we're gonna end in it" or whatever it is he burbles, and I have to say wild horses couldn't drag me in there...
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Hey, CGI is not my thing- give me MODELS, REAL locations & ACTORS!
That said, there's simply no other way to do a fantasy like John Carter or Lord Of The Rings without it today. So yeah, heavy CGI like Avatar, but filmed on a REAL location, not all green screened. And that line is nothing I recognize from the movie. So, judge by the bad trailer if you want, but there's really a good movie in there, I swear.
 
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Originally Posted by joker-scar
most of this film, like all these CGI "block busters", are shot in front of a green screen. Not much of the budget was spent on sets so lots of computor geeks getting paid here it seems. thats my 2 cents...
Actually, most of the film was shot on location in Utah. Just sayin'.
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WOW..is Utah that expensive to shoot in?????
 
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