JJ ABRAMS Enterprise

[Chronos]

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I'll wait to see it in motion before I can say for certain, but right now I think it looks like butt. :unsure

I like the Motion Picture stylings, but the proportions are all over the place. The saucer and warp nacelles look ridiculously huge attached to that secondary hull. The ship looks like it’s missing some much needed length.

The thing about the Enterprise is that it’s so recognizable, you don’t need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. I know J.J. Abrams is going for a more “real” palate for his film, but this ship doesn’t look any more real than any other starship. This looks like a kit-bashed model, or a cheap knock-off toy.

It could have been designed a lot better.

*Sigh*

 

[Ramiel]

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Hope you didn't take my loose "First Contact" reference the wrong way.

Oh no, I got it right...

Ramiel, where's the ship?? Your not done yet?? :lol

FB

Ohhhh... Shut up!:lol

Ramiel, to misquote one of your countrymen...

"Let them hate, so long as they draw."

Very clever... Very clever...

 

[SgtFang]

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A buddy of mine just summed it up well, I thought. He said "When you go back and make a WWII movie, you don't "re-imagine" the battleships and destroyers, do you?"

Damned good analogy...

-Sarge

 

[Art Andrews]

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My life is over. I call for a mass suicide in protest of the changes to this design! Everyone knows a Star Destroyer is triangular in shape!!! What are they thinking?!?

 

[mverta]

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Damned good analogy...

-Sarge

Not really, WWII was real. There is a right, and there is a wrong. Here, they're not "remaking" the original Star Trek. They're "rebooting" it. Which, perhaps, is worse? I dunno.



_Mike

 

[CTF]

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A buddy of mine just summed it up well, I thought. He said "When you go back and make a WWII movie, you don't "re-imagine" the battleships and destroyers, do you?"

Damned good analogy...

Nope. Almost every WWII flick does not have accurate vehicles.

Axis armor, in particular.

 

[nwjedidave]

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you know, I can TOTALLY now see Gabe's enterprise as the one for this new movie...

Then TOS Enterprise could be a slimmed down, more "aerodynamic" / less greeblie version.

But we got what we got....

 

[misterfusion]

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Here's a little clip on the EW site about it:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/11/star-trek-first.html

 

[Carson Dyle]

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The thing about the Enterprise is that it’s so recognizable, you don’t need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. I know J.J. Abrams is going for a more “real” palate for his film, but this ship doesn’t look any more real than any other starship.

Agreed.

Of course, given the context, "real" is a highly subjective term.

I know there exists a large and vocal contingent of fans who insist the TOS design is too "dated" to have served as a viable design for the new film. Thing is, when pressed for specifics, these fans tend to be rather vague with regard to what, exactly, they find so dated.

The only thing about the TOS design that appears dated to me is the warp drive lighting effect, and perhaps the deflector dish. Ironically, the aforementioned lighting effect has been incorporated into the re-design.

I may be wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that accepting the TOS Enterprise design within the context of a contemporary film wouldn't have required the sort of massive suspension of disbelief some seem to believe. All it would have required is an artistically confident and creatively self-assured director with the will to boldly make it so. It’s not a case of real vs. fake. It’s a case of balls vs. no balls.

Consider Martin Scorsese’s use of Bernard Hermann's original score in his remake of Cape Fear. Far from inciting audiences to flee in terror from the alleged antiquity of the score, the general consensus at the time was that it was the best thing about the remake. Perhaps modern Trek audiences would have blanched at seeing an enhanced-for-the-big-screen incarnation of Jefferies’ original Enterprise design, but I seriously doubt it.

I have no problem, in theory, with a re-designed TOS-era Enterprise. Under the circumstances however, given the ship pictured at the top of this thread, I can’t help but wish Abrams had committed to resurrecting the original Enterprise design with the same confidence with which he resurrected the original pajama-top tunic designs. Had he done so, given the benefits of 21st century SFX technology, I suspect audiences would have swallowed his choice hook, line, and blinky spinny-light.

 

[SpyderDan]

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Nope. Almost every WWII flick does not have accurate vehicles.

Axis armor, in particular.

Exactly. Sure, most of the time this is a matter of budget and availability limiting what can be done in a movie, but what makes me sad is when they actually make "artistic" choices to be inaccurate. The zeroes attacking Pearl Harbor in Pearl Harbor are a great example. Green zeroes read better against the backgrounds, so why not change it? Most of the public won't know or care, right?

As for this Enterprise, I don't hate it as a design. I just don't accept it as a Constitution class Enterprise. Wrong shape. The TMP refit style throughout says wrong time period. The shape and proportions point to yet another time period (TNG). The result is a hodge-podge that clearly could fit into the Trek universe (perhaps a decade or two before TNG?), but not as something I would accept as coming from the TOS time period, let alone the Enterprise herself.

Would Pearl Harbor be more exciting if they had made the zeroes shaped more like MiG-15s, and gave them modern JASDF paint jobs? Or is there some point where enough of the public will realize the difference?

 

[niennumb1]

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This is what happens when you mess with a classic!

This criticism reminds me of the backlash on the Star Wars Special Editions. People's eyes are just not prepared to see things like this.

If anything could ruin a franchise, it just might be this new Star Trek film. But I don't know much better... I'm not a big Trek fan at all...

 

[phase pistol]

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Because I KNOW you were all waiting for me to weigh in... :lol

My first reaction was.... "meh". I don't hate it, don't love it.

Certain DETAILS are ripped right off of the TMP ship. Almost none of it seems to be from TOS.

I guess I'll get "used" to it... as I will no doubt get "used" to a LOT of things in this movie. :lol

What REALLY has me worried is those scene descriptions from the 20 minute sneak peek... Yikes! Kirk a redneck swilling Budweiser? McCoy breaking his Hippocratic oath? Nobody knowing how to beam up MOVING objects, even though EVERY time somebody beams up, the ship is moving relative to a point on the ground? :lol

Hoo boy....

 

[Tripper]

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Well to be fair they had to beam while at warp

 

[phase pistol]

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The new ship is clearly a remix of the TMP Enterprise... there's hardly any TOS iin it at all, except for the dome-fronted engines. Also the deflector seems to be an actual DISH held out from the front of the hull, which is a nod I guess.

Many features of the TMP are there though... the pearlescent hull, self-lighting, phaser emitters, blue deflector dish, lower sensor platform, saucer rim windows (EXACTLY ths same), saucer rim RCS thruster quads, travel pod docking ports, fwd photon torpedo launcher, etc etc etc.

I see the ship has no registry markings on the lower saucer... but "NCC" is visible on the side of the warp nacelle.

 

[Jet Beetle]

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omg- you guys are going to laugh at this but that enlarged photo made me realize I wasn't seeing that there was a shuttle in front of the ship - I thought it was PART of the ship LOL. It made me think the belly was squeezed open at the front like TNG Enterprise - like this () only sideways.

I still hate it though.

 

[The Stig]

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I hope that profile sketch is wrong. Other than it looking a bit over designed I don't hate it.

 

[Commander Max]

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I see where they were trying to go, and it doesn't quite get there. It lacks the grace of the other designs. It looks like somebody said, "that's good enough, don't spend any more money".

That's one model I don't want anything to do with. It will look a lot better on in the box on a store shelf.

 

[SgtFang]

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omg- you guys are going to laugh at this but that enlarged photo made me realize I wasn't seeing that there was a shuttle in front of the ship - I thought it was PART of the ship LOL. It made me think the belly was squeezed open at the front like TNG Enterprise - like this () only sideways.

I still hate it though.

Hehe, yeah, It got me till I saw the bigger pic too. :$

Still sucks.

-Sarge

 

[phase pistol]

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She even has a blue stripe running up the dorsal... which is a reference to TMP as well as TOS... :lol

 

[phase pistol]

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Also I guess the fact that the nacelle struts are UPRIGHT rather than swept back, is another TOS reference.

They look weird tho because they're attached so far back, and the rear of the secondary hull is so thin back there... the "scooped out" area under the tail is so big on this one.

I wonder what the shuttle bay looks like... :unsure