JJ ABRAMS Enterprise

They just aren't going to care.
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I wouldn't be so sure people aren't going to care. This might be the film that does for Trek was Casino Royale did for Bond. It might just reinvogorate the franchise.

I saw the trailer in the theater with my girlfriend. She has never seen a Star Trek movie in her life, and hates the handful of it she watched on TV. I mean she HATES it.

After the trailer she looked at me and said "That looks pretty cool, I'll see that with you." I was surprised and asked why she'd see this one. "It doesn't look stuffy and boring, and it has Simon Pegg."

Like I said, I have my likes and dislikes with this new direction, but I'm not ready to dismiss it out of hand.
 
spcglider@aol.com said:
They just aren't going to care.
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I have to agree with this. The wife and I went to see the new Bond film Saturday and when the new Trek trailer came on, there was an audible groan from 95% of the audience. You could actually here some grumbling, and this was from what looked like to me the mostly 25-45 demographic in the audience.

-OWK
 
Capn_Jack_Savvy said:
Knowing that the "space-time continuum" is a major part of the plot I don't think it is going to do very well. ST script writers fall on that concept / idea way too many times in the ST Universe. Wouldn't it be nice to just simply have some villain / threat that doesn't time travel????
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The time travel plot is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it gives the filmmakers a certain amount of latitude in terms of establishing their own dramatic continuum. On the other hand, Trek is notorious for its overuse of time travel -- a plot gimmic which, although serving the franchise well on a number of occasions, has in latter installments become the lazy writer's best friend.

For all the debate about stylistic choices, my biggest fear is that XI will become bogged down by the same sort of tedious, expository techno-babble that rendered so much of the post-TOS series unwatchable. Factor in a stock villain with a convoluted agenda (and backstory to match), and the potential for a seat-shifting, mind-wandering, watch-checking couple of hours in the theater looms large.

The good news is that XI will have plenty of time in post to smooth out the narrative kinks (never underestimate the power of a clever editor save a troublesome screenplay), and the cast is proving to be surprisingly effective under difficult circumstances.

My guess is that, at the end of the day, Trek XI will fall somewhere in the neighborhood of MI:3 watchability-wise. Those who enjoyed that picture will most likely feel the same way about XI.
 
Carson Dyle said:
Factor in a stock villain with a convoluted agenda (and backstory to match),
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This is one thing I'm very interested to see play out. I'm a fan of well done trans-media storytelling, and Nero is getting a small comic series leading up to the release of the movie.

As I understand it, the creators of the movie are very involved, and should eliminate that lesser-quality-tie-in feeling.
 
It seems the fact there had been no contact with the Romulans in 70 years until Balance of Terror, is being ignored. Great, take one of the best episodes and toss it out the window.

Is there going to be a mysterious polar bear running around the ship too?
 
micdavis said:
It seems the fact there had been no contact with the Romulans in 70 years until Balance of Terror, is being ignored.
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It's not being ignored, but thanks to the wonder of time travel, it's being altered.

micdavis said:
take one of the best episodes and toss it out the window.
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Yeah, this is something the TOS fan in me is having a hard time reconciling. Given events in XI, some of my favorite TOS episodes have been time-traveled out of existence. At least for the time being.
 
I sincerely hope I feel this way after seeing the film!

You have never...NEVER...seen Star Trek like this before. It is outright amazing. It will make you believe that humanity can fly around in the stars. This won't be the movie to beat next summer because it is going to be unreachable by any other summer flick. The cast is phenom, the action phenom, the directing phenom, special effects, et cetra, et cetra.

I thirst to see more and can't believe that J.J. Abrams jipped me. Four scenes? That's it? I read my earlier stuff and can't believe how I flip-flopped on this movie in thirty easy minutes. This movie will be the stuff of legend, will redefine the sci-fi genre, and will launch Chris Pine into super stardom. When it's all over I leave, calling my friend on my cell phone as he asks, "So how was it?"

I almost don't have the words to describe what I just saw. "It was phenomenal," is all I can muster, fully knowing those words almost do Star Trek no justice.
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:love
 
That's just it.. those of us who have our doubts, who don't like the set, the ship.. we're condemning it entirely on the basis of HOW IT LOOKS.

Now granted, we who have studied Trek in all its incarnations all these years... the LOOK of Trek was what got us into it in the first place. :lol

But it's kind of like condemning TNG because the Bridge looks too casual and the Captain is bald. :unsure

The continuity points notwithstanding... folks have made valid statements regarding what SEEMS to have been trampled on, given what seems to be in this film. To that all I can say is, we'll have to see what happens in the film itself and whether it makes sense.

Because that's what it's all about. If I walk out of this film next summer and say, "damn, that's nothing like anything I've seen before, but it's COOL and when can I see it again!"... well that will make it all worthwhile, won't it? :cool
 
Wow! Sounds great. I hope I feel like that also. :love

Noeland said:
I sincerely hope I feel this way after seeing the film!

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You have never...NEVER...seen Star Trek like this before. It is outright amazing. It will make you believe that humanity can fly around in the stars. This won't be the movie to beat next summer because it is going to be unreachable by any other summer flick. The cast is phenom, the action phenom, the directing phenom, special effects, et cetra, et cetra.

I thirst to see more and can't believe that J.J. Abrams jipped me. Four scenes? That's it? I read my earlier stuff and can't believe how I flip-flopped on this movie in thirty easy minutes. This movie will be the stuff of legend, will redefine the sci-fi genre, and will launch Chris Pine into super stardom. When it's all over I leave, calling my friend on my cell phone as he asks, "So how was it?"

I almost don't have the words to describe what I just saw. "It was phenomenal," is all I can muster, fully knowing those words almost do Star Trek no justice.


:love
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Well, we never saw Ferengi before TNG-"The last Outpost" but wait, Enterprise had Ferengi....Oh yea, they never told anyone they were Ferengi so there you go, continuity in tact! Maybe Nero doesn't reveal who he is either!

JJ Adrams doesn't like Trek? I would argue that Rick Berman didn't like it very much either!

In any event, I'm looking forward to bodly going with this new crew on this new ship.
 
Now granted, we who have studied Trek in all its incarnations all these years... the LOOK of Trek was what got us into it in the first place.
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I think the look is very important too. Each film, each new series, always had it's own slightly new/different take on things though, and that's why I'm having a hard time getting down on this based on the look of the bridge, or the phasers.

I'm hoping the bridge with the barcode scanners is the academy simulation bridge. It almost just looks too darn small to be the enterprize bridge.
 
Continuity has always been important in Star Trek.
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Someone posted 5 youtube video that really blow this notion out of the water completely. Here is #1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1chtJQFQNs

The ferengie comment is another good example of ways the series has just ignored continuity.

I've never considered Trek all that worried about continuity, so maybe that's why this new film doesn'tn bother me on that count.
 
Wow - 62 pages of Trek talk. I love it! Oh, this movie will obviously play with some established things in Trek history to a degree. That is a given. I can get past that if the story, acting, and movie is good and enjoyable. Fans just need to wait and give it a chance.
 
Yes I cannot overstress the importance of continuity in Star Trek. For example is not the keystone of Data's character in TNG, the fact that he cannot use contractions, he is not capable of...

uh...

Heh. :D
 
Wait a minute.................I................just.................realized!








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This is all make believe anyway! :wacko
 
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