Is this Stormtrooper mold story just Propaganda?

Joe, much like just about anytime you are involved in a prop discussion, you have your facts all wrong.

This thread is a joke.

If you want to read about the mold history, it is well documented on the FISD forum and has been since 2007.

http://forum.whitearmor.net/index.php?showtopic=1503&st=0


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I have just sat and read that entire thread and it seems what has been put forward here could be true, Gino's own posts there confirm that his helmet molds are second generation duplicates of the first generation "touched the inside of a screen used helmet".
So if he has sold helmets based on the fact that they are cast from a first generation then he has proved himself a liar by posting that link here!.
 
First I want to say that this witch hunt thread is not about trying to educate the community, but rather than to try to discredit me.
Joe has a personal issues with me as do all his friends (and all the new recaster suporters) and that is what this is really about.
I'm not going to make a habit out of defending myself via posting pics and proof every time some joker demands it. I just did it recently in the ROTJ helmet thread, and now this one. This is the last time.

There is a reason the stuff I make looks the way it does and it is not due to some false bolstering as others would say.
For anyone who has seen my stuff (not just trooper items) in person, they can testify that they look even better in person as admittedly, photography is not one of my strengths.


So from what I understand there are two things here that I'm being accused of (and one that I figured I'd address while I'm at it).

1. Claiming that my ANH helmet molds touched the insides of an original

2. That my ANH helmet molds are heavily modified

3. That my ROTJ helmet/armor molds are not the original molds that touched the insides of the original.

I'll address them individually.

1. My ANH helmet molds are identical mold duplicates taken from the molds that touched the insides of a screen used helmet. I have stated this on record years ago, and you can see it in the armor history thread on FISD dated Sept. 15 2007. So once again, Joe has his facts wrong.
That's correct, however the mold I have for the ANH faceplate is a mold duplicate taken back in 1999 before it was modified and sent back to Matt. The reason it was sent back to Matt was not because it was his, (because it wasn't, after it was paid for), but is part of a longer more in-depth story. The ANH back/cap mold I have is a mold duplicate made off the original before it took the damage it now has currently.


2. My ANH helmet mold duplicates (in which great lengths were taken to ensure there was absolutely no generational loss) are the ONLY molds in fandom that are unmodified. The photo that Joe posted is of the original mold after it had been purposely modified with important details removed. This was done to ensure that we would be able to tell if any more helmets were made after it was returned to Matt (which he promised not to make).
It did not look like that when it was in my possession.
That mold although being the one that touched the original helmet, has lost all of it's important features, and it was the smartest thing my old partner ever did.

I do not like posting close up photos of details like this for a multitude of reasons. And I don't think it's fair that I have to go to these lengths to prove my points. I think my work speaks for itself but when you are dealing with people with an axe to grind, there is never an end, never good enough photos, never enough anything, which is why I usually tell them to p*** off.
So for those who are not joe and his friends, forgive me for coming off a bit of a smart a**. I you were me, you would be a bit irritated as well I promise.

Here is a comparison shot of the teardrop detail. You'll see my mold, the outside of an original screen used helmet, and the inside of an original screen used helmet. The angles are not the same, but you get the point.
I CHALLENGE ANYONE WITH A SET OF RECAST ANH HELMET MOLDS (which is everyone else out there besides AP) to show me this detail on their molds. They cannot because it was REMOVED before anyone ever got a chance to recast it (including Matt).
Guess what smartguy, it's not a bubble in there. Oops. Looks like all the Laws helmets need reworking.
Only problem is, you cannot accurately sculpt in this random surface details much like you cannot sculpt in the bumps/texture on the cap/back.
BTW, whoever it was that said the original HDPE helmets were haircell on one side doesn't know what they are talking about and are wrong.

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3. My ROTJ helmet and armor molds did touch the insides of the originals. Only one set of molds were ever taken from the original pieces and I own them. Dan made a new set of molds taken from recast vac form parts and was misled by Matt to think they were somehow master patterns. Gimme a frikkin break. Anyone who believes what Matt has to say in regards to trooper items is just asking for it.

Someone mentioned that if the molds were unaltered that they would still have the haircell texture on them.
Well guess what... take a look at my molds (where all your BS recast armor originates from).

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...and the original screen used pieces they were molded from:


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Now I already stated no amount of defending, no amount of pics, no amount of proof will ever be good enough for people who have an axe to grind. But since there are others looking at this thread I hope it was informative.
And please, be mindful of who you listen to in this hobby. There are a lot of uninformed people out there.

And for the haters, I'm finished addressing you in my defense.

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I'd be interested in hearing more about the photo you posted. Is that a recent photo or an old photo? It isn't important where it came from but it might be important to this discussion to point out WHEN it was taken and who has/had possession of the mold in the photo in the state we see it.
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I don't know much about troopers and should probably just keep my trap shut, but so far I haven't seen anything that really changes what GINO has said about his molds.
 
I don't know much about troopers and should probably just keep my trap shut, but so far I haven't seen anything that really changes what GINO has said about his molds.

Likewise, Carsten. It is interesting to read the back and forth on the other board GINO has linked though. Wow.
 
Date: June 15, 2008 6:09:25PM (timezone not specified)
(1 year, 7 months, 4 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes, 1 second ago, assuming an image timezone of US Pacific)

So, this is a relatively recent photo of the mold that was returned to Matt after details had been purposefully removed by Dave G / Gino.

I seem to recall in one of Matt's posts from years past where he claimed that the faceplate (and much later the back and cap) that Dave G returned to him was "ruined" and "unusable" which would seem to corroborate Gino's story of details being removed. If all of this is indeed the case then Joe's assessment that Gino's helmets are from modified molds is not verifiable based on the photo he posted as the history we are getting from both "sides" would indicate the work we see on the mold in the photo was done in an effort to fix the details removed by Dave G / Gino. Now, if a photo of the mold from BEFORE the time when Dave G / Gino had the mold, showed the mold with the mods we see here, then Joe might have a point.

While I understand Joe's personal issues with Gino, to me, the photo posted, showing the state of the mold today doesn't prove or even indicate that Gino's helmets come from a modified mold.
 
Didn't we just prove in another thread that timestamps on photos posted online are put on them by the image service they are uploaded to?
 
That photo was from TE2 last year. He has several but the black one is the one that Matt showed years ago. The damaged areas are from mould removal and may not have been present when Matt sent it to Gino, but it is the same mould and it is modified.

Gino is going to say that the moulds were copied before any damage or modifications were done which isn't correct Just look at the kink on the original left tube and compare it to Gino's!

Also, there were big bumps on the face plate just like on the cap/back. I doubt the finished forming would show any texture, at least on the outside anyway, but should show a texture on the inside if using smooth ABS.

Also Gino the originals weren't haircell you are correct but the were made out of a calendered HDPE and not extruded so NO it isn't smooth. Calamdered HDPE from that time had one side rough a bit like 240 grit wet and dry which would have smoothed out to a certain extent but many imperfections, pitting, stetching and creases would hav all been present on the inside of the original helmet So the molds would have had to been cleaned up and modified to a certain extent as these imperfections are not present on your helmets.
Uniroyal a rubber tyre company supplied the HDPE and the high rubber content ABS that AA used on the original helmets and armor. Only 27 HDPE helmets were made and the rest including the armor were ABS.
 
Didn't we just prove in another thread that timestamps on photos posted online are put on them by the image service they are uploaded to?
Depends on which image hosting service you use. Imageshack and Photobucket usually preserve the original metadata in the image file. That being said, I´m no expert on this subject.
 
Ah... I must have misinterpreted what was established by uploaded pictures in that other thread. Having checked that thread again... I may have accidentally mis-matched the area of the photo and time not being able to be proven by an image service uploaded image... sorry.
 
I got the impression that this thread was about possible recasts being passed as first generation "touched the inside of a screen used" and not intended as a stab at Gino's work in general, but quotes like
I don't know what molds you are referring to. Hopefully not that lumpy mess TE has been showing.
The original molds I have are not poor at all.

The original molds just sat covered in dust while I focused on reworking the armor mold duplicates into ANH. However I had a change of heart about wanting to have at least one complete rotj helmet and suit for display. Especially since the original rotj molds are unaltered, they would produce much more accurate pieces than any version of reworked ANH armor..
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These are both sections from the same post in another thread.
 
That quote is referencing my ROTJ helmet molds which is what that thread you copied it from was about.
Is it really that hard for people to follow? Do I have unreasonable expectations that people are able to digest this information?

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Only 27 HDPE helmets were made and the rest including the armor were ABS.

Not to derail, but I would be more interested in hearing about this. I don't travel in all the trooper circles but am always interested in more info on the history of the originals (as opposed to the endless fighting about the replicas). So am I correct in understanding you to say that there are stunt helmets made from the same material as the heroes? Is there anything to back this up?
 
Sskunky and AA are bedfellows so you might want to take any information provided with a grain of salt.
After all AA used to say that there were only 6 HDPE helmets (prototypes) and the rest were all ABS. :rolleyes


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Alright Gino you can say and believe what you like. Yes I am FRIENDS with AA and that's a damn sight closer to the original information than you will ever get. I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how many stories or photos that you show the child will always come out in you Gino.
That info did come from AA and I'm inclined to believe him over someone that has just copied one of his helmets and thinks he is the all knowing god of SW.
don't antagonise me with stupid comments if you don't want a reaction.
Now can we get back on track and stop this childish behavior.
 
Alright Gino you can say and believe what you like. Yes I am FRIENDS with AA and that's a damn sight closer to the original information than you will ever get. I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how many stories or photos that you show the child will always come out in you Gino.
That info did come from AA and I'm inclined to believe him over someone that has just copied one of his helmets and thinks he is the all knowing god of SW.
don't antagonise me with stupid comments if you don't want a reaction.
Now can we get back on track and stop this childish behavior.

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That was great.


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That quote is referencing my ROTJ helmet molds which is what that thread you copied it from was about.
Is it really that hard for people to follow? Do I have unreasonable expectations that people are able to digest this information?

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my point there was that this thread is about your claims of having a touched the inside of an original set of molds and quotes LIKE the above, jeez i may not be LORD OF ALL THING STAR WARS as some here beleive they are but i know which movie the BrianR helmet is from:angry
 
This is such a BS thread.
sskunky; AA is proved to be either a liar, or has his facts wrong time and time again. Anyone who doesnt think so just has to take the time to look at the history.

Just the same as people should look at Gino's history. The guy isnt lying people. Now none of us have to take anything he says as absolute truth by not doing our own research but honestly when he says something about where he got his items/molds believe it.
He has been questioned and attacked time and again. And it really is upsetting.
Frankly I am shocked he finally was driven to posting pictures of his molds. I have been hearing about some of those details since 2007 and this is the first time I have actually seen them too.
He must feel pretty frustrated to have done it because as he says, nobody has ever done the teardrop detail correctly and nobody else's molds would have the haircell detail on them. Only ones that touched the real suit.

You guys have other special trooper forums to remain biased on.
Leave it off the RPF.
 
You guys have other special trooper forums to remain biased on.
Leave it off the RPF.
Actually... this is the only place to have such a thread and the reasons why are obvious. For one, this is the place where GINO can prove or disprove the claims made. On other places it will just be one side venting and the forum will be faulted for allowing such threads. So... fight the war where the combatants are... if there even is a war to fight.

Just my opinion.
 
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