Is this Stormtrooper mold story just Propaganda?

[Lancer]

has anyone missed the point that when Gino has stated his case. All he said is, for example,

' My ANH helmet mold duplicates (in which great lengths were taken to ensure there was absolutely no generational loss) are the ONLY molds in fandom that are unmodified.'

um, proof? beyond taking him at his word. Same goes for his ROTJ helmet and armour molds. He says they do. other guy says they don't.

PROOF!!!! people. nothing substantial from either side.

can't see how its proven one way or another?

its like saying night is day and expecting everyone to believe you just cause you say so.

 

[GINO]

What I posted is more proof than you have ever seen me post, or will ever see me post again.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I know next to nothing about Trooper helmet differences but I believe the proof is in his images.

 

[ave4uevoli]

this thread has been very informative for me. I'm not really sure what proof people need other than Gino's post on page 1 of this thread. He shows pictures with details that aren't found on any one else's molds or casts save maybe AP (this is the lesson that I learned in this thread)

Now I"ve been on this board for a while now and i've seen a lot of people bash Gino and ask him for proof. The fact that he doesn't give proof seems to give people the idea that his information can't be right... I've said this on a previous thread and I'll say it again, you guys have to give something to disprove what Gino is saying. Gino seems to be credible to me, and not revealing sources of information is not something new to the forum.

After all this time - the most that the accusers have come up with is "his molds may not have touched the "insides of the original"..... um.. okay - so you're saying it might be a 2nd generation casting... um.. okay

You made accusations this morning - Gino countered with pictures showing details that he claims aren't on any other molds or casts.

As a collector this leads me to believe that weather Gino's molds at least have some sort of unaltered lineage to the original armor. (Does anyone have any info or proof to disprove that??)

Any actual proof to disprove this is what would be beneficial to the community here. If not, accusing him of using words incorrectly and having post after post about what "touch the inside of the molds" means is utterly useless.

Quite frankly as a collector, I'd rather have a trooper helmet that has some evidence of being close to the original or some evidence of lineage. Sadly this entire thread which I think was meant to discredit Gino has actually made me want a Gino trooper helmet even more.

He seems to have one of the few helmets out there with details that are found on the original which aren't found anywhere else... Would I care as a collector if it was a 2nd gen casting or a 1st gen casting? If it's the only trooper helmet with these details it's still worth it.

Playing with words doesn't really affect the value of his helmets as much as people may think, especially if it's still one of the few types of helmets available that are accurate.

 

[JoeR]

No proof at all in those photos, and of course your supporters lap it up. I am never going to change the minds of some, I would have more luck converting Taliban to Christianity, especially with the biased censorship being shown in this thread.

The kink on the BrianR helmet here is not due to assembly and the kink still shows on Jedi helmets, yet is mysteriously not on GINO's helmets, because they were modified as stated above. I cannot make it any clearer than this.

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[GINO]

Joe, I think it's time to man up and apologize.

Just for the record, that one time in the past when this situation was sort of flipped, I was man enough to publicly apologize to you when I realized I was wrong.


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[GINO]

*Sigh*

If you look at the kinks on the Dave M. and Brian R. helmet, you will see they are not in the same spot. In addition the Brian R. kink is much more severe.
This is because of of the tension of the earcap in assembly.

The ROTJ helmets have a sort of and indented flat spot in that area found on all the ROTJ helmets, but it is coincidental that you sometimes see it on ANH helmets.

See, this is what happens when these kinds of theories run rampant on boards that I'm not a part of. They are allowed to grow and fester.


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[firebladejedi]

Joe, I think it's time to man up and apologize.

Just for the record, that one time in the past when this situation was sort of flipped, I was man enough to publicly apologize to you when I realized I was wrong.


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You are joking here are you not?

On your site and every thread containing your tk lids you claim " Out of all the other replica helmets out there, the largest thing that sets mine apart from the others is that they are the ONLY helmets formed from non-cleaned up, undamaged, and non-restored molds of the back/cap, faceplate and ears (all of which touched the insides of screen used helmets). None of the other replica helmets can make this claim."

But you said here in this thread and other threads on other sites that your molds are duplicates of the ones that DID touch the helmets, so this statement is false.

Ok you may say this is massaging the truth, but be real here your claims are stretching the truth by a country mile.

And you have had people banned for less on this forum by unsubstantiated claims.. pot.. kettle.

 

[sskunky]

I believe this is the whole point of this thread. It's not a thread of mine are more accurate than yours but the claims of this false statement.
Gino and friends can try and sway people off the whole point with stories and pictures but the point of this thread was that the helmet are from unmodified untouched molds from the inside of a real helmet. They are not no matter what colour you paint it.

 

[GINO]

You're grasping for straws here.
And if you are referring to TM Paul (which I know you are), I have no time for anyone who doesn't have the capability to see that his trooper is recast.


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[Art Andrews]

I am never going to change the minds of some, I would have more luck converting Taliban to Christianity, especially with the biased censorship being shown in this thread.

Wait... am I reading that right?

lol:lol

You are blaming your failure to convince the masses to pick up pitch forks and torches on staff "bias" instead of accepting that your argument was simply a flawed personal attack from the get go? If the staff were as biased and "censorship" was what you claim, this thread would have quietly disappeared shortly after it was introduced. Instead the staff has steered the conversation in an effort to keep it on target instead of allowing it to become the usual dogpile free-for-alls of the past. It is unfortunate you are attempting to shift the blame of your own failings upon the staff. :thumbsdown

 

[sskunky]

another pointless thread......
this started out as Gino lying about the helmets that he sold for high prices coming from unmodified molds that had touched the inside of an original helmet, nothing more.
They didn't. People that payed Gino good money for something that it isn't should know this. The fact that Gino can show a tear that has also been modified still doesn't prove that Joe is wrong in his accusation. OK so a photo shown is more recent than previously thought but it still doesn't change a thing.

OK to be blunt and this is a YES or NO question:

Gino, did the helmets that you sold come from untouched, unmodified moulds that touched the inside of a screen used helmet?

 

[voice in the crowd]

Only 27 HDPE helmets were made and the rest including the armor were ABS.

Not wanting to stray too far off topic.

I know it is hard to tell but if you look at all the helmets in these three pics (there are higher res versions out there) all have some form of chip or scratch which show they are HDPE helmets. It also makes sense these were all made in the same batch.

28 helmets pictured in the pile and / or on Andrew's head.

Maybe Andrew never counted the one that is sitting back 2nd from left top row or the one on his head :lol





Chris

 

[JoeR]

If you guys can't still see the difference there is no hope. That kink shows on all original and unmodified casts from original helmets. This thread is done.

Joe

 

[firebladejedi]

This thread was about the claim from gino that his helmets are produced from molds that touched the inside of original helmets. He has stated that that is not the case, so that makes Joe's original claim to be correct by ginos admitance of using duplicate molds.

Firstly I think that this subject should be discussed as many collectors on this forum have shelled out $1,000 a helmet based on what I believe are misrepresenatations.

Gino claims to have molds that I quote, "touched the inside of the original".

Here is the mold that was taken from the BrianR helmet, this was then sent to Gino to copy. It has been heavily modified as you can see, and secondly as Gino took copies, his helmets are quite removed from the original.

There is no way the $1,000 replica helmets came from molds that touched the inside of an original nor are un-modified.

Before anyone shells out $1,000 based on smoke and mirrors I feel they should have access to this information.

Joe

This is the last time.


So from what I understand there are two things here that I'm being accused of (and one that I figured I'd address while I'm at it).

1. Claiming that my ANH helmet molds touched the insides of an original

2. That my ANH helmet molds are heavily modified

I'll address them individually.

1. My ANH helmet molds are identical mold duplicates taken from the molds that touched the insides of a screen used helmet. I have stated this on record years ago, and you can see it in the armor history thread on FISD dated Sept. 15 2007. So once again, Joe has his facts wrong.

2. My ANH helmet mold duplicates (in which great lengths were taken to ensure there was absolutely no generational loss) are the ONLY molds in fandom that are unmodified. The photo that Joe posted is of the original mold after it had been purposely modified with important details removed. This was done to ensure that we would be able to tell if any more helmets were made after it was returned to Matt (which he promised not to make).
It did not look like that when it was in my possession.
That mold although being the one that touched the original helmet, has lost all of it's important features, and it was the smartest thing my old partner ever did.

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[Node Nine]

OK to be blunt and this is a YES or NO question:

Gino, did the helmets that you sold come from untouched, unmodified moulds that touched the inside of a screen used helmet?

The man answered you once already. ANH = no, ROTJ = yes.

I can only assume from the fact that you are still going at this that you believe (and have proof) he has previously represented that his ANH helmets were pulled from such molds? Bring it.

 

[firebladejedi]

The man answered you once already. ANH = no, ROTJ = yes.

I can only assume from the fact that you are still going at this that you believe (and have proof) he has previously represented that his ANH helmets were pulled from such molds? Bring it.

Read the 'prop story' and he will tell you

http://www.starwarspropaganda.com/standardstormtrooper.html

 

[GINO]

Seriously.
If you want to get picky, it wouldn't hurt for me to further clarify the trooper propstroy descriptions. I could see how one might be confused.

However, I've said it clear as day in the open forum on FISD ever since 2007 (in a sticky archived thread titled "armor history" no less) what the deal was in regard to my mold lineage. So what this appears to me is a lame attempt for you and your crew to hang on to some shred of discrepancy so that you don't lose face and look foolish.

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[voice in the crowd]

If you guys can't still see the difference there is no hope. That kink shows on all original and unmodified casts from original helmets. This thread is done.

Joe

Joe,

Problem with this type of thread is honestly too many people who start their post with 'I am no trooper expert but I am still going to give my opinion' just haze any of the issues raised. The fact that most of the other people in the thread already have a lot of history with each other so the battle lines are already drawn up doesn't help either.

For what it is worth I have just looked at more trooper images than is healthy and I have to agree with you on the kink it appears to be on all the ones I have good resolution images of. It also does not look like an assembly issue it looks like it is the shape of the plastic.

BUT - Until I see a faceplate detatched from a back cap of a screen used helmet I could never say 100% it isn't to do with any assembly though.

Gino - serious question on the kink and it isn't a challenge to your moulds or helmet provenance etc so don't take it the wrong way but can you assemble a helmet to get that kink? - it would certainly clear up the issue very quickly and add to a more screen looking helmet.

Chris

 

[sskunky]

It backs up nothing and on Ginos own site under ANH troopers states that his are the only helmets made from untouched moulds! I can't believe all you sheep are backing up Gino when he states this in black and white on his own site?