Iron man Helmet WIP

Longwang

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Hey guys! Im new to this whole building you own costume thing. I discovered this site a couple days ago because i wanted a sweet iron man replica helmet! to say the least, i was AMAZED at the work done by some of the members, finhead, tmp, dark aslyum to name a few. I love making stuff so i figured what the heck, lets go for it. So i've been doing some research, ive read through a bunch of the iron man suit threads to see what the best options for me were. please correct me if im wrong, but the first step is making the model. Ive seen various methods, pepa, foam, clay, and i decided to do pepa. It looks the easiest especially for a newbie and it seems most cost efficient. And after seeing what could be done by finhead, i dont see there to be any disadvantages to using it. So i will be making the iron man helmet, probably the one that finhead provided on his thread. I believe the pep file was made by DF o_O? Anyways I think thats the mark III version, and that is fine but I was wondering if anyone knew of an accurate mark V version? or at least mark IV? So the next step after i have it all pepa'd up, is making it hard? Ive seen fiberglass and bondo used. I have used bondo before bet never used fiberglass. I dont know where to buy it other than online. My question is which is better? Which is cheaper? which is stronger? which is lighter? i would assume that glass is lighter but im a newbie so i dont know. Right now im thinking bondo is what ill be using because its whats easiest to get, but if fiberglass is much stronger and lighter i would like to go with that? But im not sure if that even matters yet because after this alot of people go into molding..? This is where i get confused! How is a mold made? what is used to make the final product using the mold? do you just fill the mold up with a liquid and let it dry? Have no clue on this! dark aslyum uses vacform and that looks really awesome but i dont think i can get my hands on that stuff or that machinery. I also noticed alot of people resized their replicas because they didnt fit. Did you guys have to remake the model and everything!? or once you make a mold is there some shortcut to resizing the mold? o.o im so confused cuz that would take a lot of time remaking everytime! now after all this is done and i have the final mold ( i guess?) all that is left is cleaning up for it to be painted. I hope someone out there decided to read this loooong post and will clarify some things up! i plan to start making the pepa model this week. Ill probably get some card stock tomorrow

EDIT: Here are new pics, i have barely had time to work on this helmet since i started. THe helmet got pretty warped after the jelly instead of regular resin, and then to top that off the layer of fiberglass on the outside pretty much rounded off all the details. But here is my progress thus far, i thought about just restarting asi know it would go much more smoothly the second time, but i already put like 20$ of stuff into this helmet so might as well finish it. Tell me what you guys think, and if the details look generally right? are the edges in the back to low?

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Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

wow, thats alot of questions.

first off, id worry about pepping your helmet first then the moulding.

my advice is to search for smooth on videos on you tube for moulding.

good luck
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

yeah molding is the last thing you gotta be worrying about right now.

breathe and just pep a helmet before you move the the next phase
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

thanks for the quick reply! i know i jumped the gun on the questions but i just wanted to be as prepared as possible. Do you guys have any reccomendations on whether to use fiberglass or bondo after making the pepa?
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

thanks stealth! now im excited to get started. Hopefully i will have the helmet fully fiberglassed in a week or so.
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

Np man you caught me at this hour when i'm usually awake So I'm glad to answer


Just take it a step at a time. You'll be fine.
 
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Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

The worst thing you can do with Pep is counting your chickens before they're hatched, especially if this is your first experience with it. It will take time, it will take patience, and you will probably start to get dizzy from staring at such tiny tabs and numbers for so long.

A few quick points:

-Make sure to use cardstock, not normal printer paper. Printer paper will sag and warp making your build look messy.

-Score all of your folds with a dull exacto knife or a ballpoint pen before folding them. This will make all of your folds as clean as possible.

-Use Super Glue Gel, Super Glue, or Hot Glue to hold your tabs together. I prefer Super glue gel, but used to be a big proponent of hot glue. Also, make sure to use it sparingly, the last thing you want is a helmet caked in glue.

-Be prepared to have to completely re-pep something after you've finished it because it's too small or too big. Often times, even after trying your best to scale something, when it's done, you'll find it just doesn't fit right. Don't get discouraged, take it as a learning experience, because now you'll know what you're doing the next time you try it!

-As for hardening, you'll need two things: Fiberglass resin and Fiberglass (Mat or cloth). You'll want to coat the outside in 2-3 coats of resin, letting it dry in between, then fiberglass the inside. Bondo is NOT for hardening! It is very brittle and adding it to an unreinforced helmet will cause it to warp beyond repair.

-AFTER you harden your model with fiberglass, then apply Bondo to the outside...but like glue, use it sparingly. You're only looking to smooth out the areas between where two pieces of paper meet, forming and angle.

-Bondo is as hard as concrete to sand, invest in a Rotary tool like a dremel and a mouse sander, you'll thank yourself!

-Don't expect results like Finhead. Finhead works with fiberglass and body filler for a living, he's a true master of the mediums. That's not to say you can't have great results, just that Finhead's are above and beyond what most people are capable of...without years of training and practice.

-All that aside, you can still make a GREAT looking helm, so go out there and do it! Most importantly: have fun!

-Nick
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

Thanks nick for the detailed reply! Can you explain what the difference between the resin and the fiberglass mat is? I bought fiberglass resin and bondo today, Was going to use the resin to harden and then the bondo to smooth it out... do i need the fiberglass mat/cloth to make it work?
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

Thanks nick for the detailed reply! Can you explain what the difference between the resin and the fiberglass mat is? I bought fiberglass resin and bondo today, Was going to use the resin to harden and then the bondo to smooth it out... do i need the fiberglass mat/cloth to make it work?

Fiberglass mat is what makes the piece strong. Without it you'll just have brittle piece of polyester plastic to fill over. :)
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

The resin is to make the cardstock a bit more rigid before applying an inner layer of fiberglass mat or clothe to the inside soaked in polyester resin. Resin-soaked glass = super strong!

There are some great videos online showing you exactly what to do. Just search youtube for Pepakura fiberglass. I'm sure you'll find something.

-Nick
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

dude that video should have showed exactly what the process was for resining and fiberglassing
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

yeah i understand the process, i was just hoping to save some money by skipping the matting process, because i didnt know the difference between the resin and the matting. I thought the resin made it hard enough
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

yeah i understand the process, i was just hoping to save some money by skipping the matting process, because i didnt know the difference between the resin and the matting. I thought the resin made it hard enough


ah I see but the thing is man , you get what you pay for
save money on mat/cloth. You're not gonna get a strong enough piece to work with

thus you wont be able to add bondo and detail on it or sand it, it will get crushed.
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

I know this is a bit of a n00b question, but when you print out your pep on card stock, I know folding will need to be done, but do you cut out all the little parts? I started to pep something and had it printed out, but I'm not sure what to do after that. All the videos I can find show you the 3d model, or the finished product.
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

You cut after the lines, then assemble it so the numbers add up and align. Like a pussle.
 
Re: Iron man Helmet, New to this, NEED HELP!

I agree with what Nick said earlier, pepping/glassing takes a LONG time, and many attempts before you get something really good. It can also get fairly expensive. It's a pretty amazing invention, but in no way a magical easy-armor solution.
 
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