How did the t-1000 time travel...not organic?!

[santicity]

I think you need to first explain... how time travel works.

 

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[SSgt Burton]

It's a time machine not a microwave oven. :lol


Sorry I couldn't help myself.


Kevin

 

[ChaseKiefer]

Question about Terminator 2?

Hello everybody,

Terminator 2 was on the other day, so I decided to watch it. As I was watching the beginning I noticed something.

In the first terminator film it is established that time travel can only carry living tissue (people, animals, and arnold.) In terminator 2 the T-1000 can time travel even though he is metal. Why can he travel through time even though he is metal?

 

[Robert412]

I could be wrong, but I believe it was because his tech was supposed to be so sophisticated, that it could fool the time machine.

 

[IndyFanChuck]

Re: Question about Terminator 2?

I THOUGHT the answer was because it was surrounded by living tissue. That would make sense, the LIVING TISSUE allows the plot to develop. :lol

 

[terryr]

Re: Question about Terminator 2?

Gad, someone 'discovers' this every month. There's at least one big thread on it.

 

[Robert412]

Gad, someone 'discovers' this every month. There's at least one big thread on it.

Yeah, but I'm fairly certain that it is addressed on the titanium edition or whatever it is, not sure.

Also, I believe the question was about the T-1000, and not Arnold. Cyberdyne systems model 101 or the T-108 or whatever it is.

 

[SSgt Burton]

Re: Question about Terminator 2?

http://www.therpf.com/f47/how-did-t-1000-time-travel-not-organic-107403/


Kevin

 

[CB2001]

This is how I see it...

Another possibility, which is presented in both the original film and in the Frank Miller-written comic series "RoboCop vs. The Terminator", is that it's possible that the T-1000 was sent through time with a layer of cloned flesh on it.

Think about it, in the first film, it is established that the T-800 Terminator was able to go through because it had living tissue covering it. In "RoboCop vs. The Terminator", the final issue of the four part series, the Terminator-ized RoboCop goes back in time with a few missiles by covering himself and them with a huge chunk of cloned flesh.

It could be possible that there was a thin layer of cloned flesh on the T-1000 that didn't burn off until the chase scene from the Galleria (or possibly when the T-1000 exited out of the transport through time).

 

[dropshipbob]

Here's another problem. If time travel in the "Terminator" universe is one-way, how did they know that nothing metal could go through?

As for the thing with the T1000 going through, I just assumed it and Arnie came from an alternate future in which the tech was just a tiny bit different in that anything could go through, but they only had enough time and power for two.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Here's another problem. If time travel in the "Terminator" universe is one-way, how did they know that nothing metal could go through?

Tests.

 

[Egon Spengler]

Plot hole.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

If it blows up the machine if it isn't covered in living human flesh, or it doesn't disappear, then they'd know. I don't see something as advanced as a time machine wouldn't have been thoroughly tested... if they were using an untested machine... they'd have sent back a machine at an earlier time and not at the end of the war, when Skynet was losing.

Also, they can send things back to any time... so if something suddenly materializes that should have been sent out about 2 minutes later, they'd also know.

Seriously... I'm not seeing a plot hole.

 

[Zykotec]

Time travel is so hysterically unrealistic and problematic in the first place, I don't see how a minor detail like something mentioned in a sentence in the first movie can affect the otherwise 'complicatedness' of time travel to a sufficient degree to be worth arguing.
And considering the leap in technology from the t-800 to the t-1000 there is a chance that they also had the time to make changes to the time machine.
Seriously, if we are to take a BTTF (which as far as I know is the most 'correct' time travel movie) as an example, Skynet would know the second Arnold was sent back in the first movie that they had failed. If they hadn't failed the 'future' would be changed instantaneously (from Skynet's perspective) Same for the second movie. Unless there is an alternate universe created for every space-time 'paradox', which would make it completely pointless.
T2 is still one of my favourite movies though
(alongside Mad Max 2 in which people use muscle cars to fight each other over fuel ,in a world almost void of fuel, do I like unrealistic plots ?)

 

[CB2001]

Tests.

Not just tests... Simulations. Remember: Skynet is a computer. It probably ran simulations to test out the various theories and concepts of time travel to see if any of them worked, and to test out the math and materials that could possibly work for the time machine before constructing a real machine to do the test.

The reason why I say this, because the same could possibly be true with the Terminators and the rubber skin incident. It probably ran simulations on how it could work and found that the probably was high that it could work, but it probably didn't take into the account the uncanny valley.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Time travel is so hysterically unrealistic and problematic in the first place, I don't see how a minor detail like something mentioned in a sentence in the first movie can affect the otherwise 'complicatedness' of time travel to a sufficient degree to be worth arguing.
And considering the leap in technology from the t-800 to the t-1000 there is a chance that they also had the time to make changes to the time machine.
Seriously, if we are to take a BTTF (which as far as I know is the most 'correct' time travel movie) as an example, Skynet would know the second Arnold was sent back in the first movie that they had failed. If they hadn't failed the 'future' would be changed instantaneously (from Skynet's perspective) Same for the second movie. Unless there is an alternate universe created for every space-time 'paradox', which would make it completely pointless.
T2 is still one of my favourite movies though
(alongside Mad Max 2 in which people use muscle cars to fight each other over fuel ,in a world almost void of fuel, do I like unrealistic plots ?)

BTTF is a whole other time travel scenario... at least to the first Terminator movie's time travel, which is similar to the Twelve Monkey's time travel scenario: nothing can be changed, as the past has already happened. Sure, the terminator tried, but in effect, it just fulfilled it's true purpose in history and became the basis for the engineers to start working on something sophisticated enough that lead to Skynet.

The other terminator movies just waved a quick goodbye to everything set up in the first movie and just bulldozed outa there with mindless action and back-pocket ideas.

Also... in BTTF it is only the time travelers who will know that the time has changed. For everyone else, it's as it has always been. So Skynet would never know it failed. It would also never know if it succeeded. As the Skynet that sent back the terminator and that future would no longer exist if the terminator had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor.

It really is so simple and straightforward, but people keep making it more complicated than it really is.

 

[terryr]

Here's another problem. If time travel in the "Terminator" universe is one-way, how did they know that nothing metal could go through?

Skynet sent stuff through time and saw what happened. A day back would be enough.

 

[JLeezy23]

Skynet sent stuff through time and saw what happened. A day back would be enough.

Yep it decided "tomorrow we'll send it back to yesterday, which is really today, so that way it'll show up here today" then it'd appear. Like how Bill and Ted decide to do things to affect their present moment, say i plan to go back in time to yesterday: and yesterday a future me appeared. And that's how they'd know if it worked or not.

Kinda the same way Harry Potter knew he can conjure the Patronus charm for the first time, he knew it'd work cuz he witnessed his future self do it in the past

 

[SSgt Burton]

Just throwing this out there, but would Skynet have tested the device using human prisoners as well?

Maybe they did, and word of this new weapon/device made its way back to the Resistance? So that's how they (the humans) know in advance that "you go naked- nothing 'dead' will go" even though it is a one way trip?


Kevin