HALO PISTOL update Sept. 21

I only ordered the M6D, but if that is the same quality, I will be fairly dissapointed.

It was my impression that the prototype would be cleaned up in a "ready to paint" condition prior to molding. It's easier to fix one gun than 20. Why wasn't this done?

To tell you the truth, I thought for $125 this would be in "ready to paint" condition (I was going to alcad chrome it). Pending pictures of the M6D, will we have an option to get a refund?

I have zero time to clean up the cast, so it would be tossed into the "to do" pile of props (meaning I'll never get to them).... the issue I see with having the cast cleaned up is detail will be lost, or the "clean up" wont be to the 3D model specs.

my 2 cents
 
I for one am quite disapointed. I agree with the general feelings here that the master should have been primed and cleaned to the point of a smooth and proper surface prior to molding. That kind of texture is murder on a mold and will result in very limited life on the casting process not to mention the pain in the ass it will be for all who receive a casting and then have to trim, fill, prime, sand, and prime again just to get to good starting point.

No offense toward the caster personally but this should most certainly have been aproached differently.

I also would like to know what options there are for refund or the possibility of a better planned run.

Lonnie
Tk570
 
Originally posted by synasp@Sep 22 2005, 02:37 AM
I have zero time to clean up the cast, so it would be tossed into the "to do" pile of props (meaning I'll never get to them).... the issue I see with having the cast cleaned up is detail will be lost, or the "clean up" wont be to the 3D model specs.

Bingo, my thoughts exactly.

Yes, I can wait just a little longer on these... but if the quality doesn't improve like the others have said, then I too want a refund. I mean... I would love to have the gun... but in "ready to paint" condition.

I also agree the master should've been cleaned up before molding it.
 
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@Sep 22 2005, 02:37 AM
I have zero time to clean up the cast, so it would be tossed into the "to do" pile of props (meaning I'll never get to them).... the issue I see with having the cast cleaned up is detail will be lost, or the "clean up" wont be to the 3D model specs.

Bingo, my thoughts exactly.

Yes, I can wait just a little longer on these... but if the quality doesn't improve like the others have said, then I too want a refund. I mean... I would love to have the gun... but in "ready to paint" condition.

I also agree the master should've been cleaned up before molding it.
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I also agree with the the above statment, I would never have time to clean it up to paint it
and the orginal master should have been cleaned up before the mold was made.

This picture disturbes me a little showing the seam line that will run around the pistol
Here's the casting:

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making the prototype as a solid cast is a good idea if only one was going to be made
but from a molding stand point the prototype pistol for molding should have been made in
two parts. seperated at the slide joint. see pic below

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Yes two molds would have to be made, the upper slide which would be a open face
mold, poured from the bottom side of the slide,
this would also allow for a better cast in the barrel so it would not have to be drilled out.

The pistol grip side would have to be a two sided mold but could be poured from the
top where the slide would attach. now some of the pics look like the resin is foamy
which is caused by the humidity in the air affecting the resin.

So here is my two cents

1.The orginal prototype should be made in two or more parts to make molding
a bit easier, (as described above)
2. The orginal prototype needs to be cleaned up and made smooth before molding.

3. Since all the measurements are in cad format
maybe laser cut acrlyic should be used to make the prototype pistol pieces
for molding this would give the pistol more of a finished machined factory made look.

I say this only because I have seen how nice the orginal bat garpple and cast pieces
turned out. I must also say that I am not dissing Trye's work with his rapid prototype
machine, the stair step lines in the orginal are a small set back that need to be cleaned up
with out changing the orginal before the mold is made
or another method to make the parts can be used.


Since I have money involved in this,
I can find time to make the molds I have materials on hand, Trye contact me by email should you want me to help

However I have no paitence for cleaning up the prototype.

But with the castings looking the way they do now, I would not want them

But I am sure that we can work together on finding a way to over come
these small setbacks.


Andrew
 
I did some quick photoshop to show possible break points
for parts for the pistols.
the break points are the black lines in the picture below.

These are just some guick Ideas I had please take no offence

I know most of you would rather have a solid hand guard on the bot pistols
but by making this a seperate part it solves a mold making issue

with the upper slide removed and the hand guard off, one solid mold
could be made of the pistol grip and one for the upper slide
and the resin pour can be done from the top area
where the upper slide would be and the upper slide would be poured from the
side where the grip would attach...no seams

but the hand guard would be a two piece mold

Just an Idea

Andrew

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Unfortunately, for him, I see that he has a box of castings which all probably cost a decent amount in resin, as well as the silicone molding material. I could certainly see his reservations about trashing it all and going with someone else. However, as many will argue as soon as I post this, this isn't our fault, and certainly is something that needs to be considered when doing a higher end run of a project. I think probably the best bet is to clean the master, have TK648 cast new ones, and sell the others on E-bay and the Junkyard as fixer uppers. With Halloween coming up, it should be easy to recoup the cost of the resin, and many people would jump on a fixer upper project at a lower cost than our initial investment.

Derek
 
Speaking as someone new to this resin and silicone molding stuff (I've made one mold, it was a complete disaster) it seems to me the master should have at the very least, had those lines along the body sanded off before molding.

I am going to get one of the smooth-on kits this weekend, and give the molding bit a try again. I have a pulse rifle grenade launcher grip I want to make a copy of for a seperate project. (I don't really expect to get a great copy)

I certainly agree that the materials for casting are expensive. I would suppose buying them in bulk would lower the expense quite a bit though.

Perhaps these "off" castings can be sold for a discount? Just throwing out suggestions.

Noeland-----------------------------
 
Tyre,

If you need any assistance in getting these redone or perhaps want to start looking at a V.2 please e-mail or PM. I'd be happy to help you out. I have a vac chamber, pressure pot and intergral color casting available here. May even be able to help with the cleanup on your master.

Its a great looking concept and awesome prototype. It would suck to see if fail this close to the finish line...

-Gary
 
Bump.... we need another update.

It's been two months now since a lot of us have paid.

Trying to be patient is hard...
 
Yeah, I was one of the super patient ones, and usually to my detriment, one who always gives the benefit of a doubt. However, you post a thread for comments, and then leave it for dead. Not really good business practices.

Derek
 
Yah, not good at all.

I know people can be "busy" and I know these were going to be "cleaned up", but you should at least update with pictures, and a general "What's up" at least every couple of days.

It's getting to the point where I might just want a refund so I can get other things. But I don't want to miss out on these guns if they come out right.

Berry
 
Who knows at this point?

Tyler has been unresponsive and so has the guy that's doing the molds "cleanup".

If I don't hear something by this coming Monday, I'll want a refund.

Berry
 
Well, I sent Tyler an "I'm not real happy about the lack of communication" e-mail on friday, and still haven't heard anything.

Delays out of your control=okay and understandable
Unforeseen problems=okay and understandable
Delays with no communication=BAD BUSINESS...

I'll be patient, patient, and more patient, but dang I hate a lack of communication.

Derek
 
going on almost a month with no form of update....


ive sent emails and ive sent pm's, and so far i havent heard squat either.

what i am failing to see is how apparently one set gets made and sent out to a customer, and the rest of us are left hanging in the void?

im standing by my offer in the emails and pm's i sent. if good clean castings can get here by next monday, i am awesome and content. if they cant, i want a refund and ill just pick em up another time. postal money orders preferred, as i dont really want paypal yanking 3% out of my cash for a refund.

chris
 
I have PM'ed this guy too. No answer here as well.

I'll go with this offer... Next Monday, October 17 to get my guns to me... or I want a refund in full. I could really use this money for something else if these aren't coming anytime soon. Postal money order would be great.. damn paypal fees.

Berry


Originally posted by hydin@Oct 10 2005, 03:27 PM
im standing by my offer in the emails and pm's i sent. if good clean castings can get here by next monday, i am awesome and content. if they cant, i want a refund and ill just pick em up another time. postal money orders preferred, as i dont really want paypal yanking 3% out of my cash for a refund.

chris
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