HAL 9000 Panel (2001:A Space Odyssey) - pg.5 final Update

[alensatemybuick]

This is what I bought. Black Brushed Steel

Thanks. I bought “RVinyl’s” Black Brushed Aluminum. Pretty happy with it - this is just a “mock-up”.
My Allclad paint should arrive shortly, and then I’ll know better how it’s going to turn out.

 

[Lt Washburn]

Fun timing! I've been researching the typeface used on the HAL 9000 logo for the last while. I'm afraid I don't think you're quite correct, since Grotesque Becker is a modern digital recreation of an older font, but you're really close.

The original faceplates used custom-printed decals, and the artwork to make them most likely used Letraset dry transfers. Specifically they appear to have used Letraset Grotesque 9 Outline White. This is Letraset's version of the Grotesque No. 9 typeface that was developed by Sheffield, UK-based type foundry Stephenson Blake, in 1906. Stephenson Blake Grotesque was a series of somewhat strange sans-serif typefaces, which had something of a revival in popularity in Britain in the 50s and 60s.

For more obsessive details, read on:

HAL 9000’s faceplates - The Age of Plastic

- NK Guy

The same issue has come up with some Star Trek props as the text originated with Letraset transfers, and even the same fonts are not exactly the same in their digital versions. A buddy bought the appropriate vintage Letraset sheets on eBay and made an accurate digitized version. Perhaps someone can do the same here.

Cool site BTW, I'm going to spend some time checking it out.

 

[j_holtslander]

If someone can scan a sheet of the old Letraset at the highest possible DPI I can vectorize it.

 

[3Dsf]

I bought a sheet of Letraset Grotesque 9 Outline in black, 72 point, and I've found that the font's strokes are just slightly heavier than the finished logo decals. I think from the high-contrast photographic process they used. So it looks good, especially if you have to print it at a much smaller size anyway, like my HAL brain room aluminium sign, but it's not 100% right.

The best reproduction of the decal is probably the Taschen 2001 book by Piers Bizony. The main problem there is scanning the page, since owing to the vertical "monolith" design the crease is down the middle.

 

[j_holtslander]

I bought a sheet of Letraset Grotesque 9 Outline in black, 72 point, and I've found that the font's strokes are just slightly heavier than the finished logo decals. I think from the high-contrast photographic process they used. So it looks good, especially if you have to print it at a much smaller size anyway, like my HAL brain room aluminium sign, but it's not 100% right.

The best reproduction of the decal is probably the Taschen 2001 book by Piers Bizony. The main problem there is scanning the page, since owing to the vertical "monolith" design the crease is down the middle.

If you scan the Letraset and I vectorize it it could then be edited to be thinned down more easily.

 

[3Dsf]

I'm afraid that's honestly not the case! I thought so too. But because the stroke widths are variable, it's really difficult to rescale convincingly if you make each letter a proper compound curve, with inner and outer lines. Of course, if you do each letter as a single outline and adjust the stroke width, which also works, then that’s really easy to alter the weight. But then you lose the goofy handdrawn subtlety of the original face.

I say this as someone who tried both approaches.

 

[j_holtslander]

I'm afraid that's honestly not the case! I thought so too. But because the stroke widths are variable, it's really difficult to rescale convincingly if you make each letter a proper compound curve, with inner and outer lines. Of course, if you do each letter as a single outline and adjust the stroke width, which also works, then that’s really easy to alter the weight. But then you lose the goofy handdrawn subtlety of the original face.

How accurate do you find Moebius’ water slide decal?

 

[3Dsf]

I don't own the Moebius kit, so I've never inspected it closely. I've only seen photos of their decals. From what I can see they did a remarkably good job of copying the original decal - they definitely copied an enlargement scanned in from one of the books, I would think. They cleaned it up a bit and made it slightly less irregular.

That's just for the logo, of course. For the lens lettering they missed the mark completely.

I do think their trademark solution is pretty cheeky. Though I don't know how many people will realize that it should be NIKKOR, and lift the R from the spurious "RESET" text.

It's also funny, since Nippon Kogaku was also a trademark. I don't know if Nikon maintain it, but it was the official name for Nikon Corp before the 1980s.

 

[j_holtslander]

This is the Moebius decal.

 

[alensatemybuick]

For the lens lettering they missed the mark completely.

Do you know of any accurate lens decals?

 

[3Dsf]

Do you know of any accurate lens decals?

Does anyone make decals other than Moebius with their kit? I don't think I've ever seen any.

Amadeus Prokopiak (who started this whole thread) scanned the lens writing and included that in his writeup. He has two PDFs - one with the scan, which is correct, and one with a typed-up version which isn't accurate to the lenses.

 

[j_holtslander]

Here is my vector format (slightly rough and imperfect) take on Moebius' HAL 9000 logo in SVG format.

The blue is set as #149EEF (R20, G158, B239) which was sampled from the original image.

Because this board doesn't allow for SVG image uploads here is the code for the image file.
You'll need to copy/paste it into a blank text document and then rename the file so the extension is .svg instead of .txt

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[3Dsf]

Looks good! I think the originals were just a bit less saturated, but it's hard to say.

I think you can compress the file and upload it as a zip archive.

 

[alensatemybuick]

I have taken the image of the nameplate from earlier in this thread and recreated it as a high fidelity vector graphic suitable for printing.
The font was "Grotesque Becker" which has been converted to outline format for the file. (So no font required.)
The blue is set as #45A9B9 (R69, G169, B185) which was sampled from the original image.

Because this board doesn't allow for SVG image uploads here is the code for the image file.
You'll need to copy/paste it into a blank text document and then rename the file so the extension is .svg instead of .txt

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Thanks for this. I thickened the outline around the black just a bit using MSPaint and resized and printed (a bit of a "iterative" process) such that it was ~92 mm wide. I do prefer the more turquoise color compared the the decal from the Moebius kit (though the color difference is more obvious in person than my camera picks up - your version is on the left, err..top ).

 

[j_holtslander]

I do prefer the more turquoise color compared the the decal from the Moebius kit

It’s super easy to swap the color in the SVG’s code if you desire. Just look for the hex code near the begining.

What did you print on? Photo paper?

 

[alensatemybuick]

Yes, photo paper. But open to suggestion.

My HAL is now done. Used Alclad chrome paint over grey primer, scuffed before painting with a Scotch-Brite pad on the sides, and ultra fine steel wool on the top surfaces and ring.

ON EDIT: Replaced the photos with those taken in natural light; my camera introduced an odd rainbow effect under artificial light / flash.

 

[j_holtslander]

My HAL is now done. Used Alclad chrome paint over grey primer, scuffed before painting with a Scotch-Brite pad on the sides, and ultra fine steel wool on the top surfaces and ring.

Looks fantastic! Congrats.

 

[j_holtslander]

Used Alclad chrome paint over grey primer, scuffed before painting with a Scotch-Brite pad on the sides, and ultra fine steel wool on the top surfaces and ring.

That technique appears to have worked really well.

What color did you use for the speaker grill?

 

[alensatemybuick]

Thanks. I didn’t even paint the grille. I will (most likely) if I can find a suitable color, but since it’s gunmetal grey anyway...

 

[j_holtslander]

I didn’t even paint the grille.

Matte coat?