HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey
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I believe I'm seeing a slight bevel in some of the clearer shots.
- k
- k
Thanks, I'll try to add those measurements on the next revision. The internals of the back cap are rather conjectural at this point anyway; it depends on what we come up with for a secondary lens element, that will drive what has to happen in there to support it.
I also left out a spacer which you'd have to have to hold the front lens element in place, but again we have to know what the exact shape of that element will be in order to spec the interior.
At this point I'm not even 100% sure a secondary lens element is necessary, but since real wide angle lenses have many internal lens elements (9 or so), I thought it best to add some more surfaces in there to bounce the light around. Trial and error will tell.
- k
I also left out a spacer which you'd have to have to hold the front lens element in place, but again we have to know what the exact shape of that element will be in order to spec the interior.
At this point I'm not even 100% sure a secondary lens element is necessary, but since real wide angle lenses have many internal lens elements (9 or so), I thought it best to add some more surfaces in there to bounce the light around. Trial and error will tell.
- k
rocketeer25
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This is definitely a thread for the archives at some point, but I'm hoping we might see a run or active project spring out of it first. 
Sixxgunn13
Sr Member
Hey Guys...
this may not be as importaint as the Lens issue..BUT.
I work for a company that makes decals for some major companies that make Watercrafts, Atv's, and warning decals..for big equipment.
I never read thru the whole post, and saw no mention on how ppl made the HAL logo.
SO....would anyone be interested in a Hal-9000 decal? correct size of course....
I'm interested in making one of these myself, and i cant just print one :angel .
and if there is enough interest i'll see how quick i can get these made..
I also need help with corect size.
LMK
and as far as how much?? depends on interest. Plus I live in Canada.
plus chime in any info about what fonts and correct pantone color I should use... :thumbsup
Sixx
this may not be as importaint as the Lens issue..BUT.
I work for a company that makes decals for some major companies that make Watercrafts, Atv's, and warning decals..for big equipment.
I never read thru the whole post, and saw no mention on how ppl made the HAL logo.
SO....would anyone be interested in a Hal-9000 decal? correct size of course....
I'm interested in making one of these myself, and i cant just print one :angel .
and if there is enough interest i'll see how quick i can get these made..
I also need help with corect size.
LMK
and as far as how much?? depends on interest. Plus I live in Canada.
plus chime in any info about what fonts and correct pantone color I should use... :thumbsup
Sixx
Targets R Us
Active Member
After a bit of a detour into my r/c submarine hobby, I've developed an interest in building a HAL 9000 panel. By any chance, does anyone have the blueprint(s) or drawings archived somewhere accessable?
-many thanks,
Jeff
-many thanks,
Jeff
Thanks to SurferGeek for recovering one of my lost blueprints.
Targets R Us
Active Member
All right! Except for the glass lenses themselves and the HAL label, this looks like it could be straight-forward to build....a lot of work with mill and lathe...but possible.
Many thanks for finding this! Now to plan the work.
-Jeff
Many thanks for finding this! Now to plan the work.
-Jeff
Keep us posted on your progress Jeff. The previous project was totally derailed when the main driver behind it, "Proprunner", turned out to be someone named "Guy Raz", who had been banned prior to that and continues to be banned.
I would caution newcomers to the scene, to beware of that guy and to exercise caution in case he turns up again.
However I had "great enthusiasm for the mission" as it were :lol and would love to see an accurate 2001 HAL panel finally be done by someone.
K
I would caution newcomers to the scene, to beware of that guy and to exercise caution in case he turns up again.
However I had "great enthusiasm for the mission" as it were :lol and would love to see an accurate 2001 HAL panel finally be done by someone.
K
Targets R Us
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Absolutely. I figure that after making r/c submarine parts, the machining part will be okay.....the lens elements will take some figuring.
This will be a slow build (work keeps me very busy), but I will provide updates!
-Jeff
This will be a slow build (work keeps me very busy), but I will provide updates!
-Jeff
I hear you on the lens elements. It seemed to me that machined acrylic parts might be the way to go, but costs would be prohibitive. It was also suggested that some other kind of lens would work, such as a lens from a photocopier. But the sizing would be critical.
Having seen fisheye lenses up close (including a decent substitute for the Nikkor used on 2001), I can tell you that duplicating a fisheye will be a lot of work. There is something about a real lens that is hard to duplicate - especially in acrylic.
The most common approach is to trim a hemisphere down so you have something the approx. diameter and height. Problem is, the acrylic hemisphere has a consistent (and thin) thickness. A Nikkor lens is darn near solid.... You could try stacking a different lens (or lenses) inside that trimmed hemisphere.
Also, Hal's look - that hot yellow core followed by some rings of orange/red - that will be hard to duplicate as well, because part of what you are seeing is light bouncing around off of the interior elements in there.
I was asked by a friend of mine (who, ironically has worked with and is friends with Douglas Trumbull) to build one for him, "just to have next to his computer". I researched the cost of the real lens (and tossed that idea out the window unless I win a lottery). I've tinkered with some substitutes, but I think getting some sort of real lense that approximates the shape is the way to go.
Karl's re-discovered research may provide the impetuous to look at this again, though.
Gene
The most common approach is to trim a hemisphere down so you have something the approx. diameter and height. Problem is, the acrylic hemisphere has a consistent (and thin) thickness. A Nikkor lens is darn near solid.... You could try stacking a different lens (or lenses) inside that trimmed hemisphere.
Also, Hal's look - that hot yellow core followed by some rings of orange/red - that will be hard to duplicate as well, because part of what you are seeing is light bouncing around off of the interior elements in there.
I was asked by a friend of mine (who, ironically has worked with and is friends with Douglas Trumbull) to build one for him, "just to have next to his computer". I researched the cost of the real lens (and tossed that idea out the window unless I win a lottery). I've tinkered with some substitutes, but I think getting some sort of real lense that approximates the shape is the way to go.
Karl's re-discovered research may provide the impetuous to look at this again, though.
Gene
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You are correct that fabricating a replica of the lens that works the same way optically would probably be impossible. Therefore we should shoot for something that replicates how the lens looks and not how it works.
For instance, perhaps the "dome" could just be a solid hemisphere (acrylic ball cut in half), and behind it could be something lathed out to resemble the inner structures, with an LED behind it to illuminate it in red and yellow.
Screengrab from film
I acquired a HAL replica some time ago (not remotely accurate but still rather satisfying) which does this with a piece in the back to hold an LED, under a thin hollow dome. I'm sure something better could be done however.
Replica
For instance, perhaps the "dome" could just be a solid hemisphere (acrylic ball cut in half), and behind it could be something lathed out to resemble the inner structures, with an LED behind it to illuminate it in red and yellow.
Screengrab from film
I acquired a HAL replica some time ago (not remotely accurate but still rather satisfying) which does this with a piece in the back to hold an LED, under a thin hollow dome. I'm sure something better could be done however.
Replica
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Actually not in cut in half... the lens would be approximated by a slice cut off of a sphere as shown.
I don't know how acrylic is machined; it might be simpler (and cheaper) to machine a solid dome out of a cylinder.
k
I don't know how acrylic is machined; it might be simpler (and cheaper) to machine a solid dome out of a cylinder.
k
Approximating a fisheye lens with acrylic will be difficult as light refracts differently through glass as compared to acrylic. Also, I've not seen anyone reproduce the same shapes that are within a fisheye lens, most leave out several of the inner lenses which help create the effect seen in the movie.
