Thought you were going to say "photos or it didn't happen" :lol
Girls, are you geeky enough to costume?
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Thought you were going to say "photos or it didn't happen" :lol
Rjames112
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There's a difference between that pure attention seeking and what they are referring to in the article. The article is assuming a few things that are appalling: 1. That women dressing up is in any way about the audience. Truth? It's not about you, it never was. The cosplaying women are, by and large dressing up to express their enjoyment of a game, movie, comic, etc. not to please an audience. The assumption that the creativity, resourcefulness, and effort are for the attention of a male audience is chauvinism at it's utmost.
2. That geek culture needs gatekeepers. Why does there need to be a litmus test to see of someone measures up? Isn't it enough that there's a thriving culture to share in and contribute to?
Yeah, you're wrong there. It's elitist and wrong; just because someone is a more casual geek than you doesn't give you the title of gatekeeper. It's statements like yours that make people look badly on anyone who even has a inkling of a geek in them.
You hate being judged and exclusionary treatment by the mainstream? maybe doing it to people that might be more than happy to hear you geek out and show you what they love.
BobbyS95
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I'm in high school, and I can tell you that the real nerds and geeks are still the shunned losers. I can't tell you how annoying it is to see the jocks brag about being a nerd just because they watched The Big Bang Theory or saw The Dark Knight
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Rjames112
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Why does it matter? They can like what they like; watching the big bang theory and playing sports, building costumes and enjoying scuba diving doesn't make you more of a nerd or less.
What's the point of labelling yourself and others? You want to feel included? Great! Who doesn't? But drawing a line on who's in the club and who's out just serves to isolate even more. It's an immature mentality.
You like something enough you want to share it with the world? Great, do it. But stop treating it like a ******* sacrosanct cloister and stop the geekier-than-thou attitude, all you're doing is serving to make the rest of us look bad.
What's the point of labelling yourself and others? You want to feel included? Great! Who doesn't? But drawing a line on who's in the club and who's out just serves to isolate even more. It's an immature mentality.
You like something enough you want to share it with the world? Great, do it. But stop treating it like a ******* sacrosanct cloister and stop the geekier-than-thou attitude, all you're doing is serving to make the rest of us look bad.
EHyde
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I have a question--why does it tend to be women who are accused of being fake geeks, and not men?
Well, okay, it's because geekdom has historically been a male-dominated field, but you could say that about ... well, an awful lot of fields. Sewing, now, that is historically a woman's craft, so you'd think you'd see more men in costume derided as fakes who had to get their wives or girlfriends to sew for them, not real costumers, right? No? (I kid, I kid. If someone wants to wear a costume but not make it, that's perfectly fine.)
I think anyone should be able to wear what they want at a con, show as much skin as they like. The double standard I see is that men in costume are more likely to get attention based on the quality of their work, regardless of how hot they are, while women are more likely to get attention based on their sexiness. But I think this is changing. 'Course, I do a lot of costumes based on books, which means I get ignored regardless
Now, I'm not a gamer--just, never been interested in games, not my thing--but there are a few video/computer game characters I'd consider dressing as, simply because they look awesome. But I wouldn't actually make them without reading up on the character, maybe reading any tie-in novels if there are any. Probably some people would think I'm less of a geek for not playing the game, but that's their business.
(neoakaj--what do you mean by one Slave Leia who was genuine? Surely everyone knows who Leia is?)
Well, okay, it's because geekdom has historically been a male-dominated field, but you could say that about ... well, an awful lot of fields. Sewing, now, that is historically a woman's craft, so you'd think you'd see more men in costume derided as fakes who had to get their wives or girlfriends to sew for them, not real costumers, right? No? (I kid, I kid. If someone wants to wear a costume but not make it, that's perfectly fine.)
I think anyone should be able to wear what they want at a con, show as much skin as they like. The double standard I see is that men in costume are more likely to get attention based on the quality of their work, regardless of how hot they are, while women are more likely to get attention based on their sexiness. But I think this is changing. 'Course, I do a lot of costumes based on books, which means I get ignored regardless
Now, I'm not a gamer--just, never been interested in games, not my thing--but there are a few video/computer game characters I'd consider dressing as, simply because they look awesome. But I wouldn't actually make them without reading up on the character, maybe reading any tie-in novels if there are any. Probably some people would think I'm less of a geek for not playing the game, but that's their business.
(neoakaj--what do you mean by one Slave Leia who was genuine? Surely everyone knows who Leia is?)
manicsquirrel
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My girlfriend and I went to Dragon*Con for a few years and were always enchanted by the fun that all the cosplayers seemed to be having. We wanted to be part of it all and two years ago started costuming. The cons take on a whole different experience for us now and we attend the smaller local and regional ones because we can't get enough. All the people are friendly and just want to have a good time.
BTW, I bought my first comic book THIS YEAR and I'm 41 years old. The last video game I played was the first Diablo and that was the first game I had played since Donkey Kong first came out.
My focus has always been books, movies, and television, but I can certainly appreciate the characters from comics and games. I'm also amazed at the dedication and creativity of all of the costumers.
BTW, I bought my first comic book THIS YEAR and I'm 41 years old. The last video game I played was the first Diablo and that was the first game I had played since Donkey Kong first came out.
My focus has always been books, movies, and television, but I can certainly appreciate the characters from comics and games. I'm also amazed at the dedication and creativity of all of the costumers.
"We realized you don't even need a costume to get attention at SDCC!"
Comic Con 2012 Jim Blair-176.jpg by hamish11, on Flickr
Comic Con 2012 Jim Blair-176.jpg by hamish11, on Flickr
crabra comander
Master Member
Everyone has their motives for wearing a costume is all I'm saying. So I can't be totally WRONG...
It better be OK for me to wear a freaking costume I didn't make!:lol
I consider the small amount of work and large amount of enthusiasm I've put into my costume enough for me to be "worthy" of wearing it.
Of course I would be more happy to have built 100% of it. But I want a quality costume.:lol
EHyde
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Definitely! My point I guess was that if we're going to call people fake geeks for not knowing every single thing about the character they're dressed as, we might as well call others fake costumers for not making their costume themselves. It would make the same amount of sense, ie, not much.
GrumpyStud
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I remember these girls:cool"We realized you don't even need a costume to get attention at SDCC!"
Comic Con 2012 Jim Blair-176.jpg by hamish11, on Flickr
crabra comander
Master Member
Those are great Cheetara's.....:behave
Jannix Quinn
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So you're saying some girls dress in really accurate costumes and want me to look at them, and other girls are wearing next-to-nothing inaccurate 'costumes' with boobs-a-poppin' and want me to look at them.
Challenge accepted? What's the problem?
Challenge accepted? What's the problem?
KristinaLeigh
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How exactly does anyone "know" if a Slave Leia costumer is genuine or not? Because she's blonde and refused to wear a wig? That's Rebel Legion approved. Because she's wearing tall knee boots instead of slouchy boots? Maybe her costume is still in progress. She's more busty than Leia should be or doesn't look like Leia? Heeellooo...it's cosplay. Cosplayers don't always look like the character that you want to dress up as. Maybe she's intoxicated and acting silly? Well, heck, it's Dragon*Con... the time and place to let loose and have fun.
Something like that doesn't mean they aren't genuine. Especially for those of us who troop in the Rebel Legion or do some kind of SW-related charity event most of the year when we have to be on our best behavior. Cons like SDCC and Dragon*Con is when we let loose and have fun. Doesn't make the girl who is wearing a slave bikini a poser. Attention seeker? Well, duh...It's the epitome of scantily-clad geek icon. Anyone wearing it would have to be one. And there isn't anything wrong with that whether it's a pre-made kit or a home-made one.
Don't judge! You really cannot have any idea why that person is there...or why they are dressed as they are. And who made you the con police? Unless you got parts showing that are illegal for the public...that's another thing altogether.
Just two cents from a bikini owner.
Something like that doesn't mean they aren't genuine. Especially for those of us who troop in the Rebel Legion or do some kind of SW-related charity event most of the year when we have to be on our best behavior. Cons like SDCC and Dragon*Con is when we let loose and have fun. Doesn't make the girl who is wearing a slave bikini a poser. Attention seeker? Well, duh...It's the epitome of scantily-clad geek icon. Anyone wearing it would have to be one. And there isn't anything wrong with that whether it's a pre-made kit or a home-made one.
Don't judge! You really cannot have any idea why that person is there...or why they are dressed as they are. And who made you the con police? Unless you got parts showing that are illegal for the public...that's another thing altogether.
Just two cents from a bikini owner.
Well that's it, I'm taking a stand! I like Slave Leias with all hair colors! :lol
I played football and other sports in high school, so I was a closet geek. I wouldn't say I was popular, but I tried to be nice to everyone. I remember taking a film appreciation class and they were talking about iconic moments in film. The teacher asked why the intro to Star Wars was so cool and I said something like "You see Princess Leia's little ship then the Star Destroyer is huge and keeps going on and on...." and the other guys in my class on the team just gave me a look like I said I wanted to be a cheerleader or something. And all of us were born in 77-78 so they all grew up with it. I think there are a lot more geeks in there, they just don't want to put their heads out there and get picked off.
BobbyS95 said:
I played football and other sports in high school, so I was a closet geek. I wouldn't say I was popular, but I tried to be nice to everyone. I remember taking a film appreciation class and they were talking about iconic moments in film. The teacher asked why the intro to Star Wars was so cool and I said something like "You see Princess Leia's little ship then the Star Destroyer is huge and keeps going on and on...." and the other guys in my class on the team just gave me a look like I said I wanted to be a cheerleader or something. And all of us were born in 77-78 so they all grew up with it. I think there are a lot more geeks in there, they just don't want to put their heads out there and get picked off.
KristinaLeigh
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Glad to hear it! ^^
DeathProof
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I read some points on this thread and it reminded me of a video I saw on youtube. While I'm all about the fun of building a costume, trying to get it as accurate as possible, that's why I enjoy about the whole concept. It's interesting seeing things from a female perspective (not all women)....especially in terms of Halloween. And while I've only been to one Comic-Con, I'm sure you can translate a lot of what you see on Halloween to a con of some sort.
Be warned, there's quite a bit of language in this video:
Sluts On Halloween - YouTube
Be warned, there's quite a bit of language in this video:
Sluts On Halloween - YouTube
I'm just going to throw some of my opinions here, not expecting to really be part of the discussion (I only lurk, I think I only have few posts here). Anyways...
Just to let you know where I come from... I play rugby, drink (way too much), spend a lot of time doing the "cool" things so I guess don't fit in the typical "geek" definition. I've always been a geek though, game geek, history geek, comic geek and most of all Star Wars geek. And I still am. And always will be.
However, I've never understood why I would have to be labelled, ranked or categorised in any way. I have my geeky things, I have my other things, they blend and that's me. I don't see the point of ranking how geeky someone is or people trying to act like they are better than the others just because of some artificial attribute they presume to posses. If they do what they enjoy, then let it be so. Even if they ***** for attention.
Elitism is the worst thing in ANYTHING. I've always felt that elitists are just the same attention whores as the lowly bikini attention whores (or the "cool kids" in school) and seem to spend most of their time being negative towards their fellow human beings. And it's not just in geek world, but everywhere. They kill the fun for others and they make everyone feel like they are doing something wrong, when they do what they love, like or have interest in.
It's the same thing as with the "Should you or should you not use pepakura for costuming" -discussion. It's ridiculous. As someone who does leatherworking, historical uniforms and hats from scratch, woodworking etc. I feel it's idiotic to label those that use pepakura as lesser costumers. When I found out about it, I felt it was an awesome new way to make things! Not the wrong way.
There is no right way to be a geek in my opinion. And those who try to rank other people on their geekiness are just the same as the cool bullies in school ranking kids on how cool they are. Let all flowers bloom!
PS. The hired stand girls are different story, I personally don't mind them but I don't like them either. I find them kinda silly in every convention I go to (may it be cars or geeky stuff).
PPS. By the way, when I first started American Civil War reenactment, in my first even this guy who seemed to think he was the authority in who is good enough to be there told me never to come back. I was enjoying the event until then with others and even planned on some mutual projects, but you can guess how it makes a beginner feel when somebody says stuff like that?
Just to let you know where I come from... I play rugby, drink (way too much), spend a lot of time doing the "cool" things so I guess don't fit in the typical "geek" definition. I've always been a geek though, game geek, history geek, comic geek and most of all Star Wars geek. And I still am. And always will be.
However, I've never understood why I would have to be labelled, ranked or categorised in any way. I have my geeky things, I have my other things, they blend and that's me. I don't see the point of ranking how geeky someone is or people trying to act like they are better than the others just because of some artificial attribute they presume to posses. If they do what they enjoy, then let it be so. Even if they ***** for attention.
Elitism is the worst thing in ANYTHING. I've always felt that elitists are just the same attention whores as the lowly bikini attention whores (or the "cool kids" in school) and seem to spend most of their time being negative towards their fellow human beings. And it's not just in geek world, but everywhere. They kill the fun for others and they make everyone feel like they are doing something wrong, when they do what they love, like or have interest in.
It's the same thing as with the "Should you or should you not use pepakura for costuming" -discussion. It's ridiculous. As someone who does leatherworking, historical uniforms and hats from scratch, woodworking etc. I feel it's idiotic to label those that use pepakura as lesser costumers. When I found out about it, I felt it was an awesome new way to make things! Not the wrong way.
There is no right way to be a geek in my opinion. And those who try to rank other people on their geekiness are just the same as the cool bullies in school ranking kids on how cool they are. Let all flowers bloom!
PS. The hired stand girls are different story, I personally don't mind them but I don't like them either. I find them kinda silly in every convention I go to (may it be cars or geeky stuff).
PPS. By the way, when I first started American Civil War reenactment, in my first even this guy who seemed to think he was the authority in who is good enough to be there told me never to come back. I was enjoying the event until then with others and even planned on some mutual projects, but you can guess how it makes a beginner feel when somebody says stuff like that?
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