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I think it goes beyond casting. According to the article I linked above, they are disregarding the source material altogether. How far from the source material can you go and still call it a Fantastic a Four movie? Why not create your own characters if your ideas are so great? They are making a comic book movie not based on any comic book.
 
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glunark said:
In an era where a white guy can play Tonto, when even the original series managed to get a real indian, frankly I don't think white people have a leg to stand on if they want to make a few white comic book characters black.
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That's ridiculous thinking.

I might agree that they probably should've attempted to find a character of the right background to portray Tonto (despite Depp's claims of native American heritage) - he was still portraying an American Indian character. This isn't the first time someone played a character outside of their heritage - should we jump up in arms every time an actor learns a language or mimics an accent for a role?

The Fantastic Four has a 50 year history and has had fan following for years. Ignoring the most basic tenets of the FF by completely ignoring the source material is insulting to fans of the book, Mara's statements about this not being based on the comic - despite their using the names is just silly. To me, it's an arrogant and stupid decision by the filmmakers.

That's above and beyond changing the Johnny Storm's race... that's a whole other issue altogether. There is nothing wrong with making comic book characters more culturally diverse as their translated from medium to medium or as comics move forward. However, there are certain dynamics that I feel shouldn't be ignored (like the sister/brother element between Sue and Johnny) - in that case it would be much more easier to reckon this sort of change for Reed or Ben (or both Johnny and Sue).
 
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So you are complaining because they came up with a new story, and didn't just adapt one that is already out there?
 
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Nothing wrong with a new story, but don't disregard what came before. Make the new story compatible and build on the history.
 
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All we have is one fairly ambiguous quote from one person involved in the film.

Exactly the sort of thing that is easy to blow out of proportion, and apply any meaning to you want.
 
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The proof is in the pudding as they say. It could turn out well, but from what's been said from those involved already it seems akin to buying the rights to the James Bond novels and then making a movie where James Bond is a French agent with all new stories and all that's really used is the name James Bond.

Why pay for a license to the whole history and just use the names? Doesn't make much sense.

Maybe the backstory is accurate the comics and this is just a new story - that 'could' work. But ignoring the entire thing seems rather pointless.
 
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cboath said:
Why pay for a license to the whole history and just use the names? Doesn't make much sense.
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of course it makes sense.
1. They paid for those rights when Marvel characters weren't a hot commodity and the business was suffering. That's how they gave Fox all the mutants, too. In other words they didn't pay very much at the time.
2. They probably calculate that FF will sell regardless so, if a director has a creative vision, who are they to argue? They're not comic fans so they have faith in the director's pitch.
3. People do pay for brand recognition, but that's probably more true with retail items. How many folks pay craploads of $$$ for an engagement ring in a Tiffany & Co box? A GIA graded diamond from Tiffany is no different than one from anywhere else. To movie execs who have no inherent interest in comics the same principle applies because that's all they understand.
 
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See?

You would have to be all kinds of crazy to take something that comes from Marvel and go out of your way to alienate the fans.

Remember how people reacted to Daniel Craigs Bond? And how much crow they had to eat afterwards?
 
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glunark said:
Are you linking the bombing with the racial casting?
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I'm saying it's a crap example. That's not even to get into the whole BS of "White people don't have a leg to stand on" as if all white people are responsible for casting Johnny Depp. Maybe you were consulted. I wasn't. I wasn't payed either. Downside is: I could've used the money. Upside is: I still get to have an opinion, even if you disagree with it.

Or the fact that they didn't change Tonto into the lone Rangers Irish buddy Billy McTonto...they kept the character the same. Crap example is a crap example.

As for the success of the movie: the link is: the movie sucked. Pointing out "they did it in this crappy movie that sucked" is not a good argument for anything being a good idea. Doesn't have to by the reason, you're the one with the burden of proof in bringing it into the conversation. Same as if I said McDonalds is tasty because Jeff Dahmer loves it. The fact that he also ate people doesn't mean that mcdonalds must be bad, it just means that my example does absolutely nothing to justify the claim of tastiness.
 
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See to me it seems like a bunch of white people complaining that someone who isn't white got a part that usually goes to someone who is white, then dismissing out of hand when someone white gets a part that usually goes to someone who isn't white, purely because the film wasn't any good, in their opinion.

That to me seems the very definition of hypocrisy.
 
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Well no, not really.

Hypocrisy would be if I said Depp was awesome as Tonto, but Sam Jackson can't play Nick Fury.

If you were keeping up instead of just being knee jerk reactionary you'd notice that most of us have said the exact opposite, and in so many words. Neither of which even remotely relevant to a discussion about making characters who have been siblings for longer than most of us have been alive of different races.

And you still DONT have to agree. But accusing people who disagree of racism is flat out BS.
 
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glunark said:
See to me it seems like a bunch of white people complaining that someone who isn't white got a part that usually goes to someone who is white, then dismissing out of hand when someone white gets a part that usually goes to someone who isn't white, purely because the film wasn't any good, in their opinion.

That to me seems the very definition of hypocrisy.
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Buy a dictionary

Your entire argument is just talking circles and not relevant at all.
 
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And once you start attacking someone's spelling, instead actually replying, you lose by default.

Any question you cant answer you just declare irrelevant, as if only your opinion was valid.

Such incredible arrogance.
 
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glunark said:
And once you start attacking someone's spelling, instead actually replying, you lose by default.

Any question you cant answer you just declare irrelevant, as if only your opinion was valid.

Such incredible arrogance.
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First and foremost, I never attacked your spelling. I attacked your definition of hypocrisy. Frankly, I don't know what you misspelled and I'm not scrolling up to look, that's not the point of my comment and I make enough spelling and typo errors myself.

Several of us have already pointed out the flaws in your argument, yet you constantly play the race card - which this isn't about.

You mention Johnny Depp playing Tonto - who is still very much a Native American character (despite Depp's sketchy - at best- heritage). By mentioning that and continuing that line of discussion, you're suggest Michael B. Jordan's Johnny Storm will be a white character played by the black actor... I don't think anyone believes that at all, so this line of reasoning is just taking the whole commentary to talking in circles and irrelevancy.

You also say that "a bunch of white people complaining that someone that isn't white" - that's just utter nonsense. This shouldn't be about race - Johnny Storm's race has been decided for 50+ years. You are changing the character, his family background by this casting.... they could cast and black actress as Sue Storm and change all that. Frankly, I think this casting isn't about casting the best actor for the part.

In all honesty, I'm just as bothered by most of the rest of the casting as well... Miles Teller as Reed Richards? Ugh, I'd take Jordan in that role over Teller any day of the week - and problem solved (on two fronts).

I guess I'll start threads now about Sam Jackson's Nick Fury, Fishburne's Perry White, Professor X and Magneto being played by a Brits... and dear lord, Wolverine's Australian!?!? Starbuck's a woman!?!? Your point is lost, most of us are incredibly tolerant, which leads us to...

What you're also overlooking is that Fox has totally mishandled this franchise from day one and that Josh Trank is an unproven filmmaker that's shown us an incredible ego.

So, if you want incredible arrogance, I would suggest reading your posts and stop making assumptions about what "white people" want and stop trying to play the race card were it doesn't apply.
 
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I'm white.

And Fury was black in the comics before Samuel L Jackson was cast.

What is unproven about Chronicle?
 
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Never suggested that you weren't.

Fury was was white in the comics before he was black.

It's one film.
 
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One successful film.

I know Fury was white, and then he wasn't.

FF was made in the 60s when almost all comic book heroes were white, if it had been made now it might have been different

Was Tarrentino unproven after Reservoir dogs?
 
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