Eldar Autarch build. May 2014.

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So! Hi everyone. I'm building an Autarch suit for Sydney's Supanova(Yes, I cringe when typing that), which is now in 3 weeks. I've been on this for about a serious month now, several hours in the evenings and whenever on saturdays. Much of that time is waiting for things to dry..

I've been conceptualizing this idea since last year, bought some foam, and then it all seemed too hard. I originally had a plan for a fully enclosed suit, connected with buckles - it was a bad plan, way to overcomplicated - but thinking it all through and having some new ideas is why I'm here now. I decided against the whole pepakura thing because Eldar armour has a whole bunch of curves, which I reckon calls for more malleable materials. This is mostly a foam build with some cloth work.

Q. Why Eldar?
A. Dunno. They were my favourite race back in the Rogue Trader days, I still have an army of models from later incarnations of WH40K but can count the number of serious games EVER PLAYED on one hand (Four!). As far as cosplay goes, they just seem terribly underrepresented - I also don't recall seeing a proper armour suit, most cosplay is of Warlocks and Farseers. Everyone else wants to be a friggin Space Marine, bunch of ungraceful jerks - with some outstanding examples of Chaos, Sisters of Battle and Inquisition aside, there are precious few Eldar works (Endangered even? Falling slowly into oblivion anyone?). With the new lacing design, this could just as easily be a Dark Eldar suit with a few added spikes... Nah.. Heroic Space Elves are awesome.

The main tools I've used are :

- Good quality hardware knife, none of these shoddy little crafting knives.
- Hot glue gun - 12mm (11? The standard seems variable)
- Heat gun. Brilliant on EVA foam, not so good for quick drying in my opinion.
- Power drill - just for the eyelet holes. Don't drill untreated foam, just sayin' cause I did - see glue, below.

So far, the materials I've used have been (minus exact measurements) :

- 9mm EVA foam camping mat. These are not good for straight lines, but they're great for curves, thick, cheap and shape easily under heat.
- 5mm EVA foam. Turns out I should have started with this, most of the current suit is 5mm.
- Bog standard kids craft glue, seriously - but in large amounts - I've used about a litre so far. This gets painted on the foam before any actual paint, provides a smooth canvas and works with spray paint much better than just foam. Prominent pieces should get a couple of coats before paint. I first saw the idea here, forgot from whom - Sorry, someone! Freaking brilliant idea, works a charm.
- Cheap spray paint - Black. I got some red but haven't used it yet. This is just the undercoat, on top of the glue-painted foam.
- Cheap acrylic paint - Red and Black. This is the paint that you're seeing.
- Cheap gloss enamel spray paint. Not yet dissatisfied.
- Cheap metal eyelets from Ebay. Shorter than I expected, but whatever. I'll show you in a later post how they work out. They'd better work out.


I'M DONE READING. SHOW ME THE PHOTOS!

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Apologies for the lack of earlier pics of this process, but here are the armour pieces for the torso and upper arms. All 5mm foam ($25 for a 1mx2m roll - KangaRubber: Brookvale, NSW). The arms were roughly measured, the rest were just realistic imagination and good measurement before cutting. 2 layers of glue, undercoat of black spray paint, then dabbing red and black acrylic all over. So.Much.Dabbing. Good practice for the wrist and shin pieces to come.

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This is the garnishing on the armour, known to fans as Spirit Stones. I used a cheap paint well (on the right) to make the smaller ones, a purpose bought serving spoon for the larger ones (total, $4). After smearing the inside with butter to avoid sticking (unnecessary as they just snap out with some leverage), I crammed those wells full of hot glue, then put them in the freezer. On the spoon, after a couple of tries, I got the smoothest results from putting down the glue in parallel lines, working up the sides. In each of those spoons is a full stick of glue, the shell design is plenty sturdy and filling the whole thing is stupid. Note that craft glue does not stick to hot glue, at all. I'll test these more in a later post.

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These are preliminary stages of the pistols. The Nerf Vortex guns ($8 each) inspired the design, being roughly the right shape and shooting the right non-lethal ammo. The foam on top is just a rectangle with two cuts for the separate looking nose piece. The foam was mashed on with hot glue along the spine, with the corners over the trigger folded up under. Wrapping the foam under the bottom was a two person job - Cheers, Marty - that side was too awkward to photograph after the glue coat seen here, semi dried. The curves of the nose were heat shaped, but I haven't hot glued them yet, which will hopefully provide a better shape. There will probably be additional foam on the final piece, but that's not yet designed.

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These are the shoulder and outside thigh pieces. These are both 9mm foam ($30 for a 1mx2m camping mat). After discovering the power of heat shaping, the shoulders were easy. The thigh is just a straight up oval with estimated measurements, the shoulders are rectangles with corners cut into the points you see. The glue is still fresh on these.

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Maybe a little hard to see but these are the earlier torso pieces, gloss enameled and heat curved. I gave them a bit of over-curve so that when attached to the planned clothing, they'll sit firm. Or be easily reshaped.

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Here we have the wrist and shin pieces, close to finishing. 5mm foam. These will be laced on, hopefully you can see the eyelet holes there, unfortunately pre-drilled. Learning from this, before drilling holes in foam, seal it up with a bit of glue - hell, it seems like the full paint and gloss finish might be the way to go, keeping it firmer. The wider edges are going to be covered by an additional piece, in 9mm foam - forming the upper wrist/shin bits. When the outer pieces are finalized, some of those wider edges will come off. They don't look like much, but initial tests show that they fit. Dabbing all of that red on, twice now.. That's a whole lot of fraking dabbing.

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Still to be carved out are the mask and backpack units. There will not be a full helmet because even every Eldar fan knows they look stupid. There will be a front and back cloth sash, which has a design finalized but nothing to photograph, likewise with the backpack. The mask is almost completely unknown, but I now have quite a good amount of leftover foam with which to experiment. All up this has cost somewhere under $200(AUD) including tools, with the future need of only glue, paint and gloss.

As this is progressing quickly, I'll be updating sometime in the near future - hopefully with more detailed building steps for the remaining pieces, depending on time. Lotsa fun.

See you later Space Cowboy!
 
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I'm also an Eldar fan. Looking forward to seeing your build. Just wanted to call attention to the attachments not working.
 
Fixed with resizing. Now the pics are a bit smaller, so detail may be hard to see.
 
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Bloody fantastic. Shortly after my last post, I got a touch of the flu. I lost an entire week - leaving a matter of days to get this thing finished.

So much has to be left for another time.. Of course the helmet and wings are out - but I may have to abandon the masque after a structural failure tore the foam. I don't have time to build a backpack with all the other stuff, see below. There were a large amount of decorations, runes and other moxious pizazz which were planned and will not happen in time. These things are all still going to be completed someday, hopefully by Halloween.

That said, I've been working my arse off for the past week, starting when I get home and staying up late. I still have gloss to spray on about half of these parts, but the paint is final on everything except the pistols. There are some gems to be shoved on there still, but nothing else in the way of decorations. I call this 80%.

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The only parts missing from here are the underlays - just simple thermal top and bottoms - and the front and back sashes. You'll have to wait for production day I'm afraid, there's just no time for glamour shots.

Many thanks to my friend Catherine for her brilliant work tightening up the top and completely building my sashes. No matter the state of the armour pieces, I would not have worn the suit without her help. I would have clearly been just a guy in fancy underwear, now it's not so obvious...

Still to be completed by Saturday! :
Final Gloss on the armour. Tonight
Painting the pistols. Tonight.
Gems for decoration. Maybe tonight
Belt for the sashes. Tonight? Least important, easy, but still vital.
Attaching the upper shin and wrist pieces to the lowers. Tomorrow
Hot gluing strips of velcro to the underlay, to actually put the armour on. Tomorrow?
Spine. I haven't brought this up yet, but it's the only decoration on my back.. Very important, design not finalized :(
Masque. I certainly hope so..
 
Well, in short, the suit was a spectacular failure.

I was up till 3 just finishing it, no time to polish anything. I got up at 7 for the con and should have listened to my brain and said 'Nope. Not today". I staggered around, filled myself up with coffee and jammed the suit into the largest bag I could find. Packed up, it was about the size of two sofa cushions - but what the hell, I'd be wearing it eventually. I was still painting stuff at 3, so of course the paint wasn't dry - the whole thing stank of cheap spray paint/gloss.

Basically what I ended up with was the most primitively assembled large costume I'd ever seen, somehow much less than the sum of it's parts. I was planning on getting my mates to help me into it, but they pre-paid and were waiting in line for an hour - I paid at the booth at walked straight in! I was able to put most of the costume on myself, but they finally showed up to tighten everything. As we walked into the main area, I immediately started catching on people, clothes and costumes. Within minutes, parts of the leg were coming unglued. The masque was the worst offender for wet paint (and smell) and was smearing crap all over my face. After too much of that, I went back to the car to change. Nobody asked for a picture and I was not surprised in the slightest.

Although that was a 'bad' day, I did spend time on the day chatting to other cosplayers about it. I heard a lot of stories about how your first big build is always going to be a big hassle, a Trial by Fire if you will. Everyone has been there - the late rush, demotivated, time and effort wasted. It's good to know that it's a common symptom of cosplay.

Right now, the suit is in the back room. There is a good lump of hot glue repairs needed, paint to be touched up, torn foam that needs to be replaced, a completely new underlay design, and of course - polish. Honestly, I just need to start over and already have some promising ideas.

Here's some wisdom I've learned about this whole thing :
1. Everyone was right - don't use camping mats - some of the foam was 9mm thick. Way too much for smaller pieces, but it was a good choice for the shoulders.
2. Maybe don't even use 5mm foam - even those pieces were uncomfortable. I'm going with 3mm foam in the new design.
3. You need more than cheap spray gloss (or maybe just a LOT more of it) to get a proper, durable finish on your stuff. Automotive gloss was a common choice.
4. If it feels like a bad idea on the day - don't be afraid to drop everything and wear a t-shirt instead.

Funny thing is, if I'd known then that the first Sydney Comic-Con would be in another couple of months, I could have finished this thing up with all the bells and whistles. I like to think that it could have been great, and I'm not discouraged from trying again - after all, it wasn't that expensive and I really enjoyed 'wasting' my time building it. I now have a much better idea of what to do and what not to do with armour builds, and there will be another.

Sorry Eldar fans, you'll have to wait another year!
 
Sorry to hear that. Hope to see the new build with the newly learned tricks! Thinking about doing a Death Jester, but only doing early research now. Sad to see not too many Eldar around. Never worked with foam but I'm sure that's the direction I'd go.
 
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Sorry to hear that. Hope to see the new build with the newly learned tricks! Thinking about doing a Death Jester, but only doing early research now. Sad to see not too many Eldar around. Never worked with foam but I'm sure that's the direction I'd go.

I'm currently in the process of sculpting one, but the cost of all the custom quilted fabrics (even considering it's my family making them) and coat have pushed it back a bit.
 
Hey, great to hear back from interested parties!

The basic problems to address with my build boils down to the sealant/gloss, the foam thickness and the underlay. I'm stuck on the underlay issue, which was always a gamble - besides that, all I have is ideas that I hope are good ideas. The masque I made was a sound design, though hastily built.. much to do, much to do..

Never seen someone build a Death Jester, which is technically a heavier suit, but maybe doesn't have to be. Take a look at Battle Sisters on here and Deviantart(and anywhere people cosplay), they're designed for a slimmer build, but still appear up-armoured. The huge gun will probably go against in-con weapons policies, but will totally make the suit. Good luck man!
 
I'm currently in the process of sculpting one, but the cost of all the custom quilted fabrics (even considering it's my family making them) and coat have pushed it back a bit.

Cool, yeah I'm thinking of doing the shrieker cannon from 1.5" pvc frame and dense eva foam around it. Do a simple flat chest armor from eva and use like a deathstroke basic mask, then sculpt the ribcage/skull/belt on top of it. Plus soft parts.

Hey, great to hear back from interested parties!

The basic problems to address with my build boils down to the sealant/gloss, the foam thickness and the underlay. I'm stuck on the underlay issue, which was always a gamble - besides that, all I have is ideas that I hope are good ideas. The masque I made was a sound design, though hastily built.. much to do, much to do..

Never seen someone build a Death Jester, which is technically a heavier suit, but maybe doesn't have to be. Take a look at Battle Sisters on here and Deviantart(and anywhere people cosplay), they're designed for a slimmer build, but still appear up-armoured. The huge gun will probably go against in-con weapons policies, but will totally make the suit. Good luck man!
You're probably thinking of Dark Reaper, Death Jester is mostly softparts, but yes the gun is huge, I'm thinking of doing slightly scaled, maybe 7', for my height the mini scale would be close to 10' and let's be real, that's not practical. :lol

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Sad to hear about your project failing like that.
I too look forward to seeing you bring this back again.

Doing an Eldar is in my rooster, but not until a few other projects are done, so in a few years it might be relevant.

Have you looked at some of the Commander Shepard costume builds? I imagine you could get some good ideas about what to do for the armor parts, as they would have similar issues to deal with.

Also, it'd be fun to see what Autarch is your inspiration. There are variations in the models and more even when you consider the artwork, so it'd be cool to see what you're going for.

Also, what conventions are you going to? Granted, I've only been at one, and much of that was hosted outside so it might be more lenient, but they didn't seem to have any problems with huge props.
 
You're probably thinking of Dark Reaper, Death Jester is mostly softparts, but yes the gun is huge, I'm thinking of doing slightly scaled, maybe 7', for my height the mini scale would be close to 10' and let's be real, that's not practical. :lol

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Yeah, was thinking of the Maugan-Ra.. that is, if he's the DR Pheonix Lord?

That thing looks entirely do-able! If you shape some thick foam for the bone chest, you probably could just let it hang (maybe weigh it down with your sash). Straightforward gauntlets and some thin gloves, vinyl/pvc coat.. Do it man!!

That mask makes me want to buy a cheap Halloween skelly mask and mess it up with a heat gun :)

Have you looked at some of the Commander Shepard costume builds? I imagine you could get some good ideas about what to do for the armor parts, as they would have similar issues to deal with.

Also, it'd be fun to see what Autarch is your inspiration. There are variations in the models and more even when you consider the artwork, so it'd be cool to see what you're going for.

Also, what conventions are you going to? Granted, I've only been at one, and much of that was hosted outside so it might be more lenient, but they didn't seem to have any problems with huge props.

I've talked a lot with several Deathstrokes and a few other armoured types, never seen a proper Shep at a con. On here, I looked at a lot of armour builds at the beginning of this but should revisit these posts, will probably get more out of them now.

The original design was Kayleth from DoW2 Retribution. The only difference between male/female eldar suits are in the chestplate, and I thought it was a very sleek design.

I'm in Sydney, so the only cons I get to are here - Supanova(Ugh, yes that's how they spell it) is in August, Oz Comic Con had it's first Sydney show just last week. They're alright, but none of the fancy stuff you guys get across the pond.

Outside of that, I occasionally drop in to random cosplay meetups I hear about. I generally avoid anime/manga events as that seems to be the realm of youngins. Cosplay isn't a huge thing in my life, but it is a very satisfying hobby.
 
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