eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

[CSMacLaren]

THE FANATICS, tore the evidence saying it was all a conspiracy, and that THE PICS WERE PHOTOSHOPED AND FALSE.

So i agree with you, i see the same here, people with real evidence that shows it and then you have fanatics that only show slim to none evidence and the evidence they show is false.

I let you decide who is what.

Photoshop didn't exist back then when the satellite image was first photographed. I would prefer you get your facts right before twisting something intended to be informative into a snide attack and an insult to RPFers' intelligence.

It's amusing to watch you go from attack and ridicule, to being a high sounding authority, to actually being analytical and agreeing, then back to high sounding and disagreeing, back to attack and ridicule. You've come full circle.

But I think what's really annoying you is that this is your baby, and someone told you your baby is ugly or has a zit.

You've missed the whole point entirely. Some people prefer to not have that much cleanup. But cleanup was done. According to Gino, he had to decide on what to keep versus what to remove, because 99% of the eFX customers would object to surface issues like the C-scar.

So it doesn't exist on the eFX which you are getting. You're getting what you want.

If it existed once as a physical strucutre but it got sanded down, filled in, or removed, you're getting what you want.

Either way, whether it was a paint or a physical structure, in the end, you're getting what you want. If you didn't want to believe it existed, and you're not going to get it on the eFX, then what exactly -- net net -- are you missing out on?

So what exactly is the issue? It just seems like you want to attack and ridicule.

 

[CSMacLaren]

I'm glad to see someone finally posted some pictures. Thanks Gino. I'm not sorry I've bought one of these and I still don't understand why some people feel they need to slam this when it is already sold out.

I really hate it when someone says, I have all the proof I need to prove you wrong, but since you are not one of chosen, I can't show it to you.

If you can't post it, then it isn't proof, so why bother even talking about it.

I'm a latecomer into this thread, and have no beef with the eFX. I wish it existed when I first arrived into the fandom years ago. Rather, I wanted to address whether the C-scar existed as a paint job or as a physical structure. Discussing the C-scar does not mean the eFX is being attacked.

If people who say it exists as a physical structure are being required to prove it, and people who say it doesn't exist that way don't have to furnish proof, then what we have here is dual standard.

I'm starting to feel that open discussion is not tolerated. Believing anything contrary to popular belief is considered fanaticism, jealousy or some ulterior motive, while clear, scientific logic is blatantly ignored.

 

[GINO]

Pbecause 99% of the eFX customers would object to surface issues like the C-scar.

Well, it's a good thing they don't have to worry about it because on the legend, it will be handled just like it was on the screen helmet, as paint weathering and not an actual physical detail.

This is a perfect example to show that even when you put forth evidence that basically proves your point, it will never be enough for those who are not man enough to concede, or if it diminishes a prop that they are emotionally invested in.


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[ob1al]

For some reason, Vader and Stormtrooper helmets always seem to bring out the worst in some people.

At the end of the day, it's only a space helmet replica from an old scifi film. It doesn't REALLY matter. Not in any profound way. Nobody here will have "Discovered the indented C scar" engraved on their tombstone or in any school history book.

Let's have some perspective, please. Lord knows, I can obsess about certain prop details at times, but this is a whole new level of hell. Some people just take it FAR too seriously!

Look outside the box, it's a big wonderful world! I advise that to anyone losing sleep over this issue in the warmest possible way.

 

[voice in the crowd]

Edit: Pete, there are things in the TM raw casting that give serious weight to this being molded at various stages. The chin vent being jut scribed is chief amongst them.

Hi Qui,

I am not sure what you mean by the TM being moulded at different stages due to the scribed chin vent.

Here is what I can add to the discussion on that point. Finally something I can show from a helmet I own :lol

Here is a picture of the chin vent on the VP it is exactly the same as the TM apart from the VP has softer details and had a minor clean on the original piece still owned by the industry prop maker. You can see sanding marks on areas of the VP unfortunately the owner done what anybody in the prop industry would do to a prop covered in blemishes.

The guy who done the promotional work in the UK in around the mid nineties made a small number of masks at Elstree for his employer. The prop maker made an extra couple of copies one for himself and one for a friend (which still exists in a less cleaned up state than the VP). He thinks he made 4 or 5 total at Elstree.

The VP has the tabs sanded off but the other helmet made at the time does not. This wasn't a cast bought from Ebay or that appeared from nowhere the guy who done this work is an industry professional of some note here in the UK. He does not frequent the world of fandome but he does know some board members here personally and his recollection of his time at Elstree and his memory of the items he saw and worked on is very impressive considering he isn't a Star Wars fan.

The casts of the VP turned up well before the TM cast was sourced. I had certainly known about the VP years before the TM Ebay auction and 7 copies were made well before the TM auction also.

Anyway here is an old pic I found of the my VP chin vent. To me it just looks like whoever moulded the screen helmet in the UK just packed in a piece of clay and ran a scribe around it prior to moulding - then simply removed it for the helmet to go about it's travels.

I get the feeling that whoever moulded the screen helmet in the UK didn't have as much time as Rick Baker got to cast the helmet - or just didn't care as much.

Leaving the tabs on and not cleaning up the eyes are another couple of details that may show this lack of time / concern on the UK mould. If you can get anybody to share photographs of a helmet from the Baker mould you will see the lines in the adhesive between the mask and the lenses have been filled and smoothed over a by Baker but you can still see where they line up. This is an incredibly hard area to photograph as the adhesive sometimes undercuts between the mask and lenses.

Sorry all the VP pictured is very dusty as you can see and I am not climbing into my attic after midnight to pull it out of storage.

Just another side note the VP has the very slightest of marks on the cheek area where the C scar is but if it was ever on the original VP mask it is gone now as that area has been clearly cleaned up. Why somebody would clean up an area that had nothing on it is beyond me :angel

So I have shown a couple of pics of a helmet of mine but again I cannot show the others due to restrictions placed upon me during purchase.

Cheers Chris

 

[WM Rorschach]

Holy crap!

I didnt know any other place to post this here, so for those of you who get the eFX newsletter, did you see todays?

WITH THIS?

"This is one of the most exciting products that we have ever announced! The long anticipated original Darth Vader Helmet from Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope . What makes this product so exciting (other than the fact that it is DARTH VADER !) is the history, the mystery and the lore behind the original prop. With the help of the Lucasfilm archives, we discovered a truly lost treasure! We actually found, what we believe, are the original molds made by Rick Baker of one of the original Darth Vader helmets from the long lost original molds in 1977! Incredibly, Lucasfilm allowed us to make a casting from these molds for our master pattern. Be sure to check out our "In Development" section to read more behind the development and lineage of this replica, coming soon!"

My question is, if this is really true - how much are they going to alter it? Is LFL going to require them to make changes???

Not only that, this is the first production made lid that I have ever really wanted. The MR Boba was close, but this takes the cake.

definite want

 

[GINO]

I've seen all the upper tier fan helmets, the SL, TM, and VP.
I can say with absolute certainty that there is not any c-scar blemish on any of them.

The reason for this is very simple.
It is because there was no physical c-scar on the original screen used helmet. Period.
When they show a casting with a scratch in that area, it is because they added it in.

For the millionth time. Everything has been shown to mythbust each of those helmets. Nothing has been shown that proves otherwise.
Just more talk that is meaningless.

We put forth the pics, but when the time came, those who did not agree did not. In fact I had to do it for them.

As far as the lenses go, I can attest that the lenses on the baker mold most certainly were made with the actual ANH lenses intact and are quite well preserved.




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[CSMacLaren]

Well, it's a good thing they don't have to worry about it because on the legend, it will be handled just like it was on the screen helmet, as paint weathering and not an actual physical detail.

This is a perfect example to show that even when you put forth evidence that basically proves your point, it will never be enough for those who are not man enough to concede, or if it diminishes a prop that they are emotionally invested in.


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So since we're talking about manhood and evidence, does the saying "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" stretch the analogy too much? :lol

I can show you pics, but you have such a prestige-stake in saying it doesn't exist as a structure that you'd probably just accuse it as being a fabrication.

 

[GINO]

So since we're talking about manhood and evidence, does the saying "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" stretch the analogy too much? :lol

I can show you pics, but you have such a prestige-stake in saying it doesn't exist as a structure that you'd probably just accuse it as being a fabrication.

Why don't you just show them and let the pics speak for themselves then?


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[James Kenobi 1138]

Excellent GINO !

I only got a Limited but this Thread has been worth it's weight in gold with knowledge. Fantastic RPF stuff in here.

 

[Hedjii72]

This has been an amazing read. I am now, more than ever, excited to be owning this piece of history. Well done, Gino, Bryan, and Co.

 

[CSMacLaren]

Why don't you just show them and let the pics speak for themselves then?


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Pics have been shown. But you've not shown evidence to the contrary either.

Moreover, your basis of belief that TM doesn't have a structural C-scar is a photoshopped image that you won't believe is photoshopped. You also won't accept that the VP has a C-scar, howbeit faint.

That would lead to a topical stalemate.

 

[Juansith]

Photoshop didn't exist back then when the satellite image was first photographed. I would prefer you get your facts right before twisting something intended to be informative into a snide attack and an insult to RPFers' intelligence.

It's amusing to watch you go from attack and ridicule, to being a high sounding authority, to actually being analytical and agreeing, then back to high sounding and disagreeing, back to attack and ridicule. You've come full circle.

But I think what's really annoying you is that this is your baby, and someone told you your baby is ugly or has a zit.

You've missed the whole point entirely. Some people prefer to not have that much cleanup. But cleanup was done. According to Gino, he had to decide on what to keep versus what to remove, because 99% of the eFX customers would object to surface issues like the C-scar.

So it doesn't exist on the eFX which you are getting. You're getting what you want.

If it existed once as a physical strucutre but it got sanded down, filled in, or removed, you're getting what you want.

Either way, whether it was a paint or a physical structure, in the end, you're getting what you want. If you didn't want to believe it existed, and you're not going to get it on the eFX, then what exactly -- net net -- are you missing out on?

So what exactly is the issue? It just seems like you want to attack and ridicule.

I wasnt talking about the Famous Cydonia face pic (taken by the Viking in 1976) being photoshoped, but THE FANATICS claiming that the Nasa altered the Mars Global Surveyor photos to hide the truth: that there is intelligent life on Mars.

And even that true images were shown to them ( from a true source) they still claimed it was all cover up.

Photoshop came out in 1990.

Read this:
NASA accussed of Skullduggery with Mars Data

And this:
http://www.greatdreams.com/cydonia.htm

And you still make absolutely no sense to me, not thay you should care, but at least my position is to go with the only true evidence that has been shown.

Which was today, and was posted by Gino, and this made al lot of us happy

I still dont know what you are trying to prove.

Even though you say you dont, its crystal clear that you are attacking the integrity of the EFX Vader, dont get all condescendant and come straight and accept it.

 

[voice in the crowd]

As far as the lenses go, I can attest that the lenses on the baker mold most certainly were made with the actual ANH lenses intact and are quite well preserved.
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There is no doubt at all about that. That is something that cannot be disputed. All the marks in the lens adhesive line up in the US and UK castings and there is a glue mark / scratch sitting on one lens that can be seen on the screen helmet as well. The lens shape would be something incredibly hard to replicate anyway.

Baker made a great job of moulding the screen helmet he done all the things that would keep the helmet shape and it captures THE look of ANH Vader.

Putting the C scar debate to the side completely Gino there are clear differences to the two styles of ANH Vader facemasks.

BUT to make a nice mask many of the differences would not affect making a great copy of the original.

The Baker mould had the chin vent moulded in a much more proffesional way rather than just packing in some clay. Either way the chin vent is cut out.

The mouth grill in the teeth was not in the US cast as it made no sense to have it in place - why would you keep it as it is an area of the mask that will be removed for future masks.

The tabs were removed (and in my opinion they are only an add on to the screen helmet not part of it) the only thing I am surprised at is the screw holes for the 5 tabs were not filled and cleaned up more. Again though no big deal original tabs can be found and fixed to the helmet at the exact points the screen ones where.

Some slight filling around the eyes which again is no big deal as the eyes get cut out and lenses get put in place.

As I have said before in the thread they are both snap shots of the screen helmet at two points in it's working life. Neither are any better than each other. They are just different casts of the ANH helmet.

People buying the eFX helmet have very wisely invested good money in what will be a top of the line replica. I do not think anyone buying an eFX will be dissapointed in anyway and they have all made a great choice.

Cheers Chris

 

[CSMacLaren]

I wasnt talking about the Famous Cydonia face pic (taken by the Viking in 1976) being photoshoped, but THE FANATICS claiming that the Nasa altered the Mars Global Surveyor and the Mars observer photos to hide the truth: that there is intelligent life on Mars

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I still dont know what you are trying to prove.

Even though you say you dont, its crystal clear that you are attacking the integrity of the EFX Vader, dont get all condescendant and come straight and accept it.

Just because you are able to twist things and attach fanaticism to the motivations of those you disagree with, it doesn't make your attacks true. Everything you say contains insinuation.

I think you want to be heard more than you wish to foster friendly conversation. You're on a quick path to prop authority and popularity. I have no other words for you.

Good day.

 

[Clutch]

I am just going to skip the whole C-scratch argument, because I simply don't know enough about it (nor do I care). However, in looking at the surface texturing of the pic on the right... I am just trying to imagine how many returns eFX would have gotten had they put something out that looked just like that. People like us would be thrilled, but I can't imagine the average fan would find that acceptable.

Now that you mention it, I bet there will be at least a few people who think they are getting the ultimate Vader and freak at the condition the Legend is gonna be in. :lol

 

[Son of Skywalker]

....I'm completely blown away by the pics!!!

Thank you eFX & Gino! To see the inside of the mold is more than I ever hoped for :thumbsup

 

[Juansith]

Just because you are able to twist things and attach fanaticism to the motivations of those you disagree with, it doesn't make your attacks true. Everything you say contains insinuation.

I think you want to be heard more than you wish to foster friendly conversation. You're on a quick path to prop authority and popularity. I have no other words for you.

Good day.

What... Are... You... Talking... About?
You just lost it.
Am i attacking?, look at you and your clan.

You know, you make yourself sound like Sheldon Cooper, all scientific and stuff, but the fact is you sound as the opposite.

You base your evidences on faith, we need to trust you are right and we must have faith that even though you cannot show proof of anything really, we must believe you have the truth in your hands.
And we are not worthy of knowing it.
But REAL PROOF is shown to "the masses", and its not enough for you.

If you are a person of science, then why you side with people who are bashing the EFX helmet without showing real evidence.

You are the one writing you know all the sacred secrets.

 

[Jamanticus]

Welcome to the world of props and their replicas, Juansith. Lots of people with information don't want to share it. You've seen right here what happens when they do (there are people who aren't satisfied with it).

I'm reading several of your posts here as complete attacks as well. Not that half the posts in this thread haven't been jabs of some sort or another, but you're no exception. Makes me feel sad when stuff I'm reading from you is something to the effect of, "You're so pretentious, who do you think you are? You just lost it."

 

[GINO]

I think Juansith is just saying what we all are thinking.