eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

[Qui-Gonzalez]

In the Baker mould it's closer to a swoosh. In the UK mould and on the screen helmet prior to the Baker mould it is much more distinct. But we can call it a swoosh on the Baker helmets if you like

No, you can call it a swoosh period. ALL of the details from the Tantive helmet (UK mold) are on the Baker mold except for one "c-scar"? I don't follow your logic here.

 

[lambotour]

Woo, did stuff just get REAL in here? Well, I guess we can just about lay the C-Scar stuff to rest?

It's about to get real now.


This is my last post in this thread and it's strictly for educational purposes. I have pretty big balls, but that's not the point of this post.

I'm not going to argue a point many of us know to be true. It's not worth it. In many ways, even this comp will not prove anything to some of you, but it might help some.

In discussing the C scar, it is absolutely NOT a weathering paint job. I personally don't even think it's been painted at all to give the C appearance. It's just a reflection of the light against the ridges caused by the buildup in that area. The buildup of paint, the paint flakes, the abundance of artifacts on and around the cheek has caused a "C" scar to form. It is actual, visible and a blind person could run their finger over it and "feel" it. In actuality, there are two C scars. One larger than the next, but that's a whole other discussion.

I took a quick pic of my TM in the cheek area. I didn't match the angle perfectly since I am only trying to prove a certain point that the C scar is not a deliberate weathered, painted detail. I know this may **** off some of my TM brothers, but I feel it is absolutely necessary to show this to you guys. I want you to take this into consideration, the TM cheek you see is a raw, black casting. It has not been painted in that area. All I did was shine some light on it from the right and took the pic.



I tilted the TM image a little to further illustrate. For sh#ts and giggles:



The C scar is a physical, visible artifact that is present on some of the better detailed castings that some of us have. It's nowhere near as defined on the Baker mold castings. I can understand why someone would think it's a paint weathering if they only had a cast from the RB mold to study, but they are wrong. It's not a knock on the awesome eFX offering, but there is more than just one authentic original ANH vader mold out there. As Chris stated earlier, there are several molds at different stages/timelines of the original ANH vader. There is no such thing as THE one and only best vader mold. Each mold has its' strengths and each has their own weaknesses.

Now I can put my nut sack away and STFU as someone so pleasantly requested.

The C scar debate can now end. Thanks for your time gents.

 

[Wes]

Ok guys....

Gino certainly manned up on this. Here is my email wes228@aol.com

Send me your fanmade pics from your email or a bogus one, it makes no difference as I will not disclose the source.

 

[Wes]

Nice Lambotour!

Anyone else? Send them to me and I will post them.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Lambo, it isn't that it isn't defined on the Baker mold, it's that it is non-existant on the Baker mold. The TM is a fan helmet, if I recall. It has some lineage fo sho, but hasn't it also had some repair work done to it?

 

[vaderdarth]

Ouch! Well I guess that is that! Lambotour, I don't give a crap what anyone else thinks, that is absolutely the best proof of any detail on any vader helmet I have ever seen!

Okay, the other side manned up?

Now lets see the magical divot!!!!

for the record, this has evolved into the best vader helmet thread in the history of this forum. I love this place......and I love all of you guys!!!!!

Dave

 

[lambotour]

Lambo, it isn't that it isn't defined on the Baker mold, it's that it is non-existant on the Baker mold. The TM is a fan helmet, if I recall. It has some lineage fo sho, but hasn't it also had some repair work done to it?

Come on Hector, you can do better than that. You guys ask for proof, it's provided, but you choose the one you want to believe. To each his own. The Baker mold does have, how do I know? Because I own a 1st generation casting from the mold. It's no where as visible on the Baker mold, but it's there.

 

[KaanE]

I don't know if the TM is cleaned, fan made or anything, but I've overlayed and adjusted the pic, and the TM C-Scar matches at 99.99999% the "C-Scar/Paint" of the SU helmet.

 

[voice in the crowd]

How about someone send me pics of the cheek of all the fanmade helmets from a bogus email account. I'll post them up here for all to judge.

Nice and anonymous and I could care less what "vendors" think of me posting the pics.

Wes I don't think you understand the people who have sourced and supplied people with Vader helmets aren't nameless faceless cold hearted killers - they are board members who are also our friends.

Sending images anonymously is effectively betraying their trust and breaking gentlemens agreements.

Chris

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Come on Hector, you can do better than that. You guys ask for proof, it's provided, but you choose the one you want to believe. To each his own.

I asked a question about the evolution of the TM, Pete. We KNOW where the Baker mold came from. Am I mistaken in that the TM has had some work done to it prior to castings being offered? I haven't a clue, to be perfectly honest and would like to know.

Besides, you know me enough to know that if I am wrong, I will be the first to shout it to the Gods...and you all.

 

[GINO]

I was wondering when the TM crowd was going to show up.

Just to show how full of BS you guys are, take a look at this.
This has been a long time coming.


Here is the original TM stripped down.

My eyes aren't too good here, but I can't seem to see anything there in terms of the c-scratch.

And here is a casting where JRX attempted to add the c-scratch into the castings.

What you are seeing in the lambotour shot is basically where he revised the messed up JRX scratch into a more accurate looking scratch.
Which was foolhardy because...

there was no dimensional scratch on the real helmets.



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[Too Much Garlic]

No, you can call it a swoosh period. ALL of the details from the Tantive helmet (UK mold) are on the Baker mold except for one "c-scar"? I don't follow your logic here.

There are more things than the C-scar muted on the helmet by the time it was molded by Rick Baker. The circle highlights 3 individual areas that were fixed by the time before the Chronicles shoot and the footprint ceremony.

State of the original at a time after the UK mold:

Just look at all those paint strokes on the side of the mouth, the damage on the front facing cheek - C-scar - as well as damage to the tusk tube. All muted on the later repainted helmet.

State of original at time of Baker mold:

I'm unsure why you are not seeing the shapes there in the mold. Pretty much exactly what has been shown previously on other Rick Baker casts - the remnants of the scar.

Work done on the TM is the very tips of the tusk tubes. Anyone who's seen the auction pics and the stripped cast pics will know how far back that damage extended.

 

[voice in the crowd]

Oh looks like a TM image has been posted. Fair enough

Also SL helmet has a C scar it is less defined but it is there. I know it is hard to see on the mould pics from eFX but it is there.

Thanks very much to Gino and eFX for the mould picture :thumbsup

Only repair work I think on the TM was broken tusks. Th eye sockets and teeth had also been cut out on the cast if I remember correctly.

Chris

 

[lambotour]

I asked a question about the evolution of the TM, Pete. We KNOW where the Baker mold came from. Am I mistaken in that the TM has had some work done to it prior to castings being offered? I haven't a clue, to be perfectly honest and would like to know.

Besides, you know me enough to know that if I am wrong, I will be the first to shout it to the Gods...and you all.

The tusk tubes were repaired. The TM casting in that pic is recast free and a direct copy of the original TM. Tom can come on here and verify that. I DO NOT have any reason to lie or make up **** to make myself out to be better than anyone else. I know what I'm talking about. Believe who you want.

I live in West Palm Beach, FL. Anyone in earshot is welcomed to meet up with me and I'll show you the TM. Then you can come on here and give your own opinion about what it is you are seeing. The overlay and gif is all you need to see.

 

[lambotour]

Here is the original TM stripped down.

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DING DONG. Wrong again cowboy. Those photos were photoshoped by Jesper to remove that detail. Nice try though. You have no idea what you are talking about, I suggest you stop before you make yourself look less informed than you already are.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Here is the original TM stripped down.

Just after paint removal. There was more than paint obscuring detail on that cast. The stripping down was well documented on The Den but that had to be spoiled because of bitterness, resentment and jealousy.

 

[GINO]

DING DONG. Wrong again cowboy. Those photos were photoshoped by Jesper to remove that detail. Nice try though. You have no idea what you are talking about, I suggest you stop before you make yourself look less informed than you already are.

Oh yeah. Then show the non-photoshopped version cowboy.



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[Qui-Gonzalez]

I'll say this, the .gif is a pretty convincing image. Then again, the raw, stripped down TM is also convincing. If that TM pic Gino has posted was photoshopped, then that is one of the best "Shoops" I have ever seen. There is a little ding missing on the cheek on that TM image that is part of the Baker mold and the screen shot.

 

[lambotour]

Oh yeah. Then show the non-photoshopped version cowboy.



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No way jose.

 

[micdavis]

You know a little spot putty will fill that right in.