eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet
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Hi All!
The Limited Edition of our ANH Vader Helmet is now SOLD OUT! Thanks to everyone!
If you would like to be on our wait list, please e-mail your request to VaderLimited@eFXCollectibles.com
Bryan
Now, back to the popcorn (yes! even for breakfast!!)
The Limited Edition of our ANH Vader Helmet is now SOLD OUT! Thanks to everyone!
If you would like to be on our wait list, please e-mail your request to VaderLimited@eFXCollectibles.com
Bryan
Now, back to the popcorn (yes! even for breakfast!!)
Juansith
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You make it sound so subjective, if the bumps are there, there are there and you can count them, assign them and catalogue them.
I do understand that recasters may use that info and then claim thay their helmets are authentic, that makes sense, but then we are on a dead end because you claim to know something that discredits the EFX but " you cannot say or show" what it is.
Not your fault, its just that not being able to know what you know blows, mainly because im not sure if what you think or claim you know is even true.
I do understand that recasters may use that info and then claim thay their helmets are authentic, that makes sense, but then we are on a dead end because you claim to know something that discredits the EFX but " you cannot say or show" what it is.
Not your fault, its just that not being able to know what you know blows, mainly because im not sure if what you think or claim you know is even true.
Juansith
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Yeah, i realized that too, the bar was half sold...
Qui-Gonzalez
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Sold out means sold out. I'm sure it will take some time to update and confirm the pre-orders. Who had doubts this thing would move?
vaderdarth
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gino, I'm truly not sure why a simple straight forward respectable question about a specific detail gets you all hot and bothered but I meant no offense. I only asked you about that detail because you are such an expert about this eFX helmet. You are the only one of us who has held it at this point. I asked one question and you can anwser it or you can avoid answering it. Either way speaks volumns for us little people down here scrambling for your crumbs. You say you've answered it but I'm being specific now, not asking in general terms. Let's stay on topic here. I know at least 13 people that would like to know the answer to my divot question. We're truly curious. Especially since we can't own either version now. 
All 1000 are sold! Remember, the status bar shows the entire forecast of 1000 pieces. We have now taken into account all of the orders from our retailers and international distributors. (So, the bar will never reach 0 since they never order online.)
Too Much Garlic
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Are you aware of how many bumps, scratches and nicks there are? Clearly you don't. I know your frustration about not getting everything pointed out on a silver platter, but come on... who has time for such a project. + when we discuss these casts we are not dealing with absolutes. We are dealing with - is that scratch supposed to look like that, does it correspond to how it looks on another cast and does it even match the original. We don't have access to the original, so we use the only resource available: pictures and screen captures that are fussy and most of the time inconclusive.
I don't force you to take my word for anything I point out, but there are plenty of threads where we discuss these exact details on these casts and I really think it's pointless to start that kind of discussion here as it is bound to derail this thread even more than it has already gone through.
eFX stated they removed details, so how does anything I point out discredit that helmet? It doesn't. The eFX is the best example of a cast coming from a mold when it's 30+ years old.
Juansith
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Congrats to EFX and congrats to all who no have the best Helmet in the Galaxy .
I agree with what you say, but when experts come and show bad pic comparisons trying to prove something that is not entirely accurate, it makes some of us wonder if some really know what they are talking about.
.I agree with what you say, but when experts come and show bad pic comparisons trying to prove something that is not entirely accurate, it makes some of us wonder if some really know what they are talking about.
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vaderdarth
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Juansith, that is precisely why we want to know is for our own curiosity........it won't sway anyone as to what they like better, only the helmet in their hands will tell them which helmet makes them feel all fuzzy inside. I truly want to be persuaded the eFX is the best of the best in every way, but it won't happen until I get my hands on one. Don't worry, I will be doing just that because a friend of mine scored one.
Everyone's idea of what is ideal is quite different in the the general prop community. Most of the true Vader nuts however, have some pretty specific ideas in mind and they more or less agree on what is more and less accurate. They may differ on what makes a helmet pretty or ugly, but some guys prefer ugly and some guys prefer pretty. You see?
Juan, everyone who thinks his or her helmet is the best won't in good conscience supply a map, but those of us who have access to all these castings, can survey them (yes for 5 years or longer), catalog those things ourselves and compare to the eFX or any other helmet we have in our mitts. I'm only suggesting that each individual does so on their own.......and make their own judgements about what they like or don't.........not base it on one person's comments. We all like what we like and no amount of arguing is gonna convince you otherwise.
TMG, I hope you are right about both the original Baker mould and the care in which they utilized it and the resulting castings. I don't necessarily disagree as I don't have those facts and neither does anyone else. Further, we don't know how the chinese factory workers are gonna keep the quality flowing. We can speculate based on other products coming out of china, but we can't know until that helmet hits our mitts.
Qui, I had zero doubts it would sell out.
gino, asking a straight forward, genuinely cordial question is not trolling. I've already said I don't believe you altered the castings in anyway inconsistent with what eFX asked of you. I only want to know the specifics on this one tiny landmark as it's important to me personally. I don't believe the moderators will disagree with my approach. If you are embarrassed to answer it publicly, feel free to PM me. You don't have to be on the defensive every time I ask you a question about a vader topic.
Dave
Everyone's idea of what is ideal is quite different in the the general prop community. Most of the true Vader nuts however, have some pretty specific ideas in mind and they more or less agree on what is more and less accurate. They may differ on what makes a helmet pretty or ugly, but some guys prefer ugly and some guys prefer pretty. You see?
Juan, everyone who thinks his or her helmet is the best won't in good conscience supply a map, but those of us who have access to all these castings, can survey them (yes for 5 years or longer), catalog those things ourselves and compare to the eFX or any other helmet we have in our mitts. I'm only suggesting that each individual does so on their own.......and make their own judgements about what they like or don't.........not base it on one person's comments. We all like what we like and no amount of arguing is gonna convince you otherwise.
TMG, I hope you are right about both the original Baker mould and the care in which they utilized it and the resulting castings. I don't necessarily disagree as I don't have those facts and neither does anyone else. Further, we don't know how the chinese factory workers are gonna keep the quality flowing. We can speculate based on other products coming out of china, but we can't know until that helmet hits our mitts.
Qui, I had zero doubts it would sell out.
gino, asking a straight forward, genuinely cordial question is not trolling. I've already said I don't believe you altered the castings in anyway inconsistent with what eFX asked of you. I only want to know the specifics on this one tiny landmark as it's important to me personally. I don't believe the moderators will disagree with my approach. If you are embarrassed to answer it publicly, feel free to PM me. You don't have to be on the defensive every time I ask you a question about a vader topic.
Dave
Qui-Gonzalez
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So, which topic are we on, Dave? Which divot are you referring to as when you have asked has gone too far back to be bothered to look for. There is a LOT of condescension in your post above and that does show through the thinly veiled "respectable" thing. You have called this helmet into question numerous times in this thread and your tune has changed as well.gino, I'm truly not sure why a simple straight forward respectable question about a specific detail gets you all hot and bothered but I meant no offense. I only asked you about that detail because you are such an expert about this eFX helmet. You are the only one of us who has held it at this point. I asked one question and you can anwser it or you can avoid answering it. Either way speaks volumns for us little people down here scrambling for your crumbs. You say you've answered it but I'm being specific now, not asking in general terms. Let's stay on topic here. I know at least 13 people that would like to know the answer to my divot question. We're truly curious. Especially since we can't own either version now.
Here are some facts we can accept. LFL gave Bryan access to the Baker molds. Bryan pulled helmets from said molds. Gino worked on the finishing of said helmets. One of the helmets was cleaned up more than the other, but both are products of the Baker mold. These helmets will have different mounting systems than what was used in the making of ANH.
That's it. The rest is all conjecture at this point. We simply do not know what is there and frankly, what can be reproduced. What's done is done. These are the helmets people are getting. They have not been modded as much as the TM, with the tusk repair work. That bumps their pedigree up higher than the JB, which you ranked it near before. They lack the huge flare in the neck of the SL, which in my opinion, bumps it above that as well. It is right there with the DJ. Not only is this the best mass produced, licensed piece, it is also one of the best Vaders out there.
Too Much Garlic
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Look at any Vader helmet discussion thread. Those are the things we argue about. The use and misuse of bad pic comparisons and making claims that are not supported. But the fact remains that casts exist that has loads of detail that not many know about. Some of it is shown off in said threads... some of it is kept hidden - because that is the wish of the owners, and who am I to argue that?
What we are discussing here are details that should be on the Rick Baker casts... there are other lineages off the original screen helmet, but it would be a waste to include them in this discussion.
Too Much Garlic
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Who compared this to a JB? Must have missed that. The JB is nowhere near this helmet. Not even the Limited.
vaderdarth
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I'm asking specifically about the divot on vader's left dome brow. I only asked this 2-3 posts back and got nothing but trolling comments in return.
Vader's Left Dome Brow (above vader's left eye) If we are staring at vader, it's the right side of the photograph.
There should be a divot in the dome surface (screen used dome)
This divot is in other castings, but apparently missing from the eFX, this is why I inquire. I don't care the why, or the how, I just want to know if it was missing from the mould, or only missing from the castings shown by eFX
Again, divot on vader's left side brow of the dome or helmet. This divot is not a tiny bubble folks, it's 1cm x 3mm in size. It's quite obvious. it's about 1/2mm deep. It's a significant landmark on the screen helmet. It's present in every scene in the film.
It probably doesn't bother more than just a handful of us, but still we ask respectfully.
A. Is it there and we just are missing it on the eFX photos?
B. If it's gone, where did it go?
C. Can it come back? Maybe it is not too late for eFX to correct this before moulds are sitting in China???
Vader's Left Dome Brow (above vader's left eye) If we are staring at vader, it's the right side of the photograph.
There should be a divot in the dome surface (screen used dome)
This divot is in other castings, but apparently missing from the eFX, this is why I inquire. I don't care the why, or the how, I just want to know if it was missing from the mould, or only missing from the castings shown by eFX
Again, divot on vader's left side brow of the dome or helmet. This divot is not a tiny bubble folks, it's 1cm x 3mm in size. It's quite obvious. it's about 1/2mm deep. It's a significant landmark on the screen helmet. It's present in every scene in the film.
It probably doesn't bother more than just a handful of us, but still we ask respectfully.
A. Is it there and we just are missing it on the eFX photos?
B. If it's gone, where did it go?
C. Can it come back? Maybe it is not too late for eFX to correct this before moulds are sitting in China???
vaderdarth
Master Member
Some guys use the DJ/JB notation as the same helmet. DJ is his screen name, JB is his street name to those of us who consider this guy a dear friend. Not the same thing as the JB that was banned from the RPF years ago. We don't talk about that guy anymore.
PS, it would streamline the discussion if we stick to the Baker Mould details and landmarks only. Though there are other screen helmet derived helmets, I suppose we can't compare to those as they were likely taken even before the Baker mould. As to why I want to compare to those too, just my own curiosity. Some guys believe and have given credible evidence that these other helmets are more desireable than those of the Baker moulds, again to each his own. I'd like to convince myself without someone else's input.
PS, it would streamline the discussion if we stick to the Baker Mould details and landmarks only. Though there are other screen helmet derived helmets, I suppose we can't compare to those as they were likely taken even before the Baker mould. As to why I want to compare to those too, just my own curiosity. Some guys believe and have given credible evidence that these other helmets are more desireable than those of the Baker moulds, again to each his own. I'd like to convince myself without someone else's input.
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Too Much Garlic
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Oh... that's confusing, then... as to most people, JB is that banned guy.
I was thinking... if you were comparing these helmets to anything he had ever offered, then you'd be off your rocker.
I was thinking... if you were comparing these helmets to anything he had ever offered, then you'd be off your rocker.
Qui-Gonzalez
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VERY confusing, Dave...bordering on insulting, which is why I brought it up. You may be a friend and call him JB, but JB will always be that banned d-bag who is right up there with Phil-SPFX.
If I had choice between having all the bumps and scratches vs. having the correct shape, dimensions and proportions I personally would want the latter.
The bumps and scratches do not contribute to the overall visual impact of the Vader personae as much as the dimensions do iMO. I am not saying they are not important but just that they are a secondary element that makes the Vader helmet screen accurate.
Of course, I would have liked to have seen all of the bumps, etc. on the Legend helmet as well, but if the Legend is accurate in proportion and at least has some of the bumps etc. then I would be relatively satisfied with that.
The bumps and scratches do not contribute to the overall visual impact of the Vader personae as much as the dimensions do iMO. I am not saying they are not important but just that they are a secondary element that makes the Vader helmet screen accurate.
Of course, I would have liked to have seen all of the bumps, etc. on the Legend helmet as well, but if the Legend is accurate in proportion and at least has some of the bumps etc. then I would be relatively satisfied with that.
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