eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

[micdavis]

Seems pretty clear to me.

Bitterness.

Resentment.

Jealousy.

A desperation to blindly and ignorantly attack anything that is perceived as a threat...

...and a hive where all those who feel that way can stew about it, and generate utter fabrication amongst their cabal until it spills over here.

Think that pretty much sums it up, but I'll bet most people knew that already and see it for what it is.

And add in a touch of insanity.

I've never understood the need for all this it needs this scratch and that dent.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

And add in a touch of insanity.

I've never understood the need for all this it needs this scratch and that dent.

I guess you'd be satisfied with the Rubies Supreme, then!?

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

TMG, my post wasn't directed towards you, just in general.

The EFX is a licensed product, not a garage kit from an auction purchased screen-used helmet.

This is the best version of this helmet we're going to see from a licensed company. Compared to all past versions of a Vader helmet from past companies this is the best, most accurate version available to the general public.

Can we, as the RPF, discuss it ? Sure, I hope so, if it's un-biased. Discuss the helmet, not those involved.

I have yet to see in the past 10 years any prop company deliver exactly what we want, 100% accurate, and not mis-represent the prop in some form or fashion.

Am I the only one not surprised ? I feel special.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

This is the best version of this helmet we're going to see from a licensed company. Compared to all past versions of a Vader helmet from past companies this is the best, most accurate version available to the general public.

Oh, I absolutely agree. It's the best. They just don't need to misrepresent it. That brings it into DP and Rubies territory and that's simply not needed at all with this one. We know it is sanitized... heck, it's expected... just don't overstate or misrepresent what is left compared to the originals. That's just BS sales talk and I really thought eFX and those involved were beyond those tactics as they offer this level of quality.

 

[Art Andrews]

Carsten,

Just calling it as I see it, and I don't think how I feel about things like this have ever been unclear, except when they have been twisted out of reality by the same few people who are spearheading this attack.

The truth is, if ANYONE other than Gino were involved with this project, the things that are currently being said wouldn't be and everyone would simply accept that the discrepancies that are seen in the eFX Vader are simply due to the need to make it mass production friendly instead of desperately trying to contrive a conspiracy in a pathetic attempt to put Gino in his place and shame Bryan for using Gino. And lets not play games; that is ALL this is about.

Seems pretty clear why most Vader discussions are no longer had here.

Seems clear to me as well. Many of the people who like to bash and fabricate and attack at every turn have found a safe harbor where they are allowed to do so with impunity and because the RPF doesn't allow them to do the same here, they take their ball and go there. While it is a shame that this means RPF members miss out on some good Vader discussion, from a great deal of the vitriol that seems to come along with it, I think we end up with the better end of the deal.

I certainly know that anything I say here is seen as an attack on the RPF and certain people regardless

Not true. You and I have certainly had our debates and while there are some things we will clearly never see eye to eye on, I don't think everything you say here about Vader, or other subjects, is an attack on the site or Gino. Sadly, I can't say the same for some of your friends.

 

[micdavis]

I guess you'd be satisfied with the Rubies Supreme, then!?

One extreme to the other.

There is a middle ground you know.

I just think people that get their knickers in a bunch that there is scratch here and dent (or not) are nuts.

You guys are damn lucky you are getting what you're getting. This would have been un-thinkable 20 years ago. Be thankful.

It is mostly a losing proposition to start a high end replica company.

Have you noticed all the rich guys that have done it?

 

[illbethere1]

If I had a exclusive top vader helmet that costs me sooooo much doe, and sooo much time attaining one, not to mention all the ass kissin', I'd probably resent the fact that now every joe shmoe can get the same thing on par or even perhaps better structural wise (no mods) than current casts with probably a few purists details lacking. DAMN lol

To be honest, after eyeing Gino's recent pics, namely this shot....
I'm kinda convinced only the DJ can best it which is probably a moot point since both are RB's

 

[Too Much Garlic]

The truth is, if ANYONE other than Gino were involved with this project, the things that are currently being said wouldn't be and everyone would simply accept that the discrepancies that are seen in the eFX Vader are simply due to the need to make it mass production friendly instead of desperately trying to contrive a conspiracy in a pathetic attempt to put Gino in his place and shame Bryan for using Gino.

I'd like to think I would say the same if GINO wasn't involved and it was someone else making misrepresenting claims about a licensed product. In fact, I don't recall holding back against the Don Post, or the Rubies or any other licensed product where the claims were a bit more than the product really was.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't want a war between The Den and the RPF or between members of both forums and I think it's a shame you think the way you do about The Den. I had written more but I felt it was OT to the topic, so I'll leave it be.

 

[Art Andrews]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't want a war between The Den and the RPF or between members of both forums and I think it's a shame you think the way you do about The Den. I had written more but I felt it was OT to the topic, so I'll leave it be.

There will be no war... at least not from the RPF. As you said, anything else, we can take to PM.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Removed due to being way out of line! Sorry guys. I just realized I was just adding unneeded negativity and dissent.

 

[micdavis]

But you said you didn't care... so...

Exactly where did I say that?

Please show me.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Exactly where did I say that?

Please show me.

Sorry Mic, I was out of line.

 

[Qrest Fourstar]

Tell ya what. I hope to get a legend Wednesday, but after those pics, I can live with a Limited.

 

[SithLord]

If I had a exclusive top vader helmet that costs me sooooo much doe, and sooo much time attaining one, not to mention all the ass kissin', I'd probably resent the fact that now every joe shmoe can get the same thing on par or even perhaps better structural wise (no mods) than current casts with probably a few purists details lacking. DAMN lol

To be honest, after eyeing Gino's recent pics, namely this shot....
I'm kinda convinced only the DJ can best it which is probably a moot point since both are RB's

Well, I for one am happy that collectors have this opportunity, and heaven knows I've invested my fair share in Vader helmets. :confused

I also think it is good to discuss what some like myself would hope to expect in terms of features and form from a helmet with this pedigree. There was some discussion about the prototypes, with certain hopes and expectations for the production versions. Clearly this represents the best licensed Vader helmet offered to date both in terms of lineage and in terms of finishing quality. Sure, we can nick-pick about details but that is what seeking greater accuracy is all about. eFX should be very pleased with the attention this helmet has received and I personally hope that they sell out within the first few days (I hope to get one myself).

And for "one of our own" here to have been involved in helping eFX is good for the community because it gives the community a sense of investment. In many ways, Gino represents our interests to eFX, helping to make the helmet as good as it can be. Sure there will be personal differences. But there is no resentment, no jealousy, just a hope that we can all enjoy an ANH Darth Vader helmet as close as possible to the original prop.

That all being said, if to a collector such as yourself it looks the same as the original prop, that's fine. But this isn't just about "a few purist details", nor is it "better structural wise than current casts". Saying this helmet is identical to the original ANH helmet would be like saying the MR ROTS Vader helmet is identical to the original screen helmet. It isn't. Nor is this. Is it close? Sure and I think we all know that it is the closest offered to date from a licensed vendor, and that is probably all what 90% of collectors interested in this helmet would want to know.

Then there are the other 10% of collectors. And they might be asking, well it is close, but how close? I'm one of those 10%. Given what I have in my own collection, my expectations will naturally be very high. If we can discuss the finer points, then great. Is such a discussion possible here from a practical and objective standpoint? It would be nice if it were.

 

[nwjedidave]

Then there are the other 10% of collectors. And they might be asking, well it is close, but how close? I'm one of those 10%. Given what I have in my own collection, my expectations will naturally be very high. If we can discuss the finer points, then great. Is such a discussion possible here from a practical and objective standpoint? It would be nice if it were.

Not even being CLOSE to a Vader expert, I would like to discuss the finer points of the screen used DV helmet, and what is possibly missing from the eFX offering.

A civil discussion post that could help educate us lesser prop collectors.

 

[jkno]

HOLY COW!!! :confused

Holy moly! :eek :confused More than the helmet itself if sent by FedEx Priority angry Insulting!

 

[Son of Skywalker]

Then there are the other 10% of collectors. And they might be asking, well it is close, but how close? I'm one of those 10%. Given what I have in my own collection, my expectations will naturally be very high. If we can discuss the finer points, then great. Is such a discussion possible here from a practical and objective standpoint? It would be nice if it were.

Ditto :thumbsup
I'm truly interested in purchasing, however I would like to know exactly what I am getting here.

What say the purist?

 

[Darth Niob]

There is excisting a comparison pic between the eFX and another helmet from this mold. But maybe some guys are pissed seeing the clear differences between those two helmets. Hard to make a constructive critic these days because some guys are thinking it would be trolling this thread or bashing the eFX helmet...and its clearly not. But its not my decision to post that pic so......

 

[vaderdarth]

Art you are off the mark with this helmet. Nobody is saying it's not pretty. Those of us who have seen a better product are simply drawing comparisons and stating the obvious.

There is a minute chance that gino was given an inferior casting to work from, but I do not believe that. eFX is not some garage kit company, they know how to make castings from moulds.

The details that are missing on the helmet gino has shown are a product of either intentional or unintentional tampering with the casting. The issue isn't whether this helmet is the very best licensed DVANH helmet ever produced because it obviously is......the issue is how much better it could be if a series of unfortunate events hadn't occured with the raw casting.

There is still a chance that eFX worked out the warpage problem on that dome, so give them a chance to show it on the production samples.

Not everyone has the ability to finish and paint a helmet such that it preserves the integrity of the smallest details of the casting. When a guy claims to be the best thing since sliced cheese, he's expected to make no gross elementary errors.........and clearly the ball was dropped in this case.

It's still a very very pretty helmet. It just could have been better with the supposed "experts" that were involved. These guys who have a casting from that same mould, know what is there and know what is missing on the eFX version. dismissing these guys as just bitter is simply pathetic and sad. And yes I have held these superior castings in my own two hands.

And for the record, please stop lumping guys like gino into the same categories as companies like eFX and fantastic guys like Bryan Ono. Bryan IS an expert......he created a prop replica company and got a license to make cool toys. He loves the hobby and wants to share with us fanboys. gino only claims to be an expert and lacks the ability to even run his own forum. He wants to share nothing except his own self promotion with anyone. Can't you guys see that distinct difference???

 

[Zombie Killer]

Don't you think you guys have made your point? This is not a "pulled from screen used molds" helmet. LFL is NEVER going to let anyone release a Vader helmet that is exactly like the real deal with every little scratch and dent. What you guys want requires buying a screen used helmet. Also since EFX decided to use Gino as their "vader expert" and not all you guys who are complaining, i am going to trust in EFX's expertise. You praise EFX and Bryan yet they did not go to you complainers for your Vader expertise they went to Gino.