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[Helmetman]

AI wasnt born yesterday Steve. I can see now why you wanted to buy an unpainted helmet from me.
Someone who makes so many molds also buys a mold that was taken from an item he already owns.

You know full well Keith that I no longer own any helmets that were produced by you. I owned 2 of them and sold both.

I actually took the trouble to mail you when I intended to sell them so you wouldn't flare up about it. Does that sound like someone who doesn't give a crap what people think.

Your comments are getting old Keith. Move on to something else.

 

[GINO]

So if I were to offer a very small limited run of cast off original scout trooper helmets, by your rationale because they came from a screen used item, they would be fair game for recasting?
That is why things of this nature never see the light of day in the public.
The community suffers as a whole.

 

[Helmetman]

So if I were to offer a very small limited run of cast off original scout trooper helmets, by your rationale because they came from a screen used item, they would be fair game for recasting?
That is why things of this nature never see the light of day in the public.
The community suffers as a whole.

Absolutely not 'fairgame' Gino, because I don't have your permission to reproduce it. Im afraid you are missing the point. All of my patterns are from cleared sources, regardless of what Keith has to say.

That being said, things get cloudier when items are movie cast items.

 

[GINO]

Absolutely not 'fairgame' Gino, because I don't have your permission to reproduce it. Im afraid you are missing the point. All of my patterns are from cleared sources, regardless of what Keith has to say.

That being said, things get cloudier when items are movie cast items.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself here, but to my knowledge you didn't sculpt the Predator 2 helmet, that was Stan Winston.

So that being said, I have as much 'right' as you to make the item, which officially is no 'right' at all as it's a licensed pattern. You refer to my item as 'recast', but you yourself 'recast' it.

I'm confused. If you feel the way you do based on your above quote, how is that different than the scout trooper helmet example I gave?

Am I missing something?

 

[Helmetman]

I get the impression that you are toying Gino, this is not a game, this is my RPF membership we are dealing with here.

The 'difference' is that I have permission from my source to produce the item. So does Keith. However, neither of us 'really' have any rights to the item at all.

Not sure what isn't sinking in....?

 

[GINO]

However, neither of us 'really' have any rights to the item at all.

In the example of the scout trooper helmet, I wouldn't really have real world legal 'rights' to it either.
You said it was not fairgame, but that is contradictory to your above quote.

So which is it?

 

[Helmetman]

Gino, we all know that you are Keiths buddy so your comments are appreciated, but are taken with a pinch of salt.

Bottom line is, in the world of movie cast based items, no-one has any rights at all, apart from the company who own the intellectual rights.

However, in this hobby, agreements are made and an 'honour amongst thieves' is adopted.

For the last time, movie based items are not 'fairgame', that was not my point. My point is I consider it OK to proceed offering items if you have the consent of the person who sourced it for you.

In your example of the scout trooper, that person would be you. If I did not have permission - then I would not proceed.

Aren't you supposed to be designing something rather than keeping me busy until Keith logs in again?

 

[OldKen]

In the example of the scout trooper helmet, I wouldn't really have real world legal 'rights' to it either.
You said it was not fairgame, but that is contradictory to your above quote.

So which is it?

Gino, he is trying to say that its a first gen cast not a recast of a recast.

Meaning he didnt recast Keiths helmet but a screen used one... Right?

Keith, did you have any tells on your helmet? Does anyone have concrete proof?

And yes this isnt a joking matter here.

Hope this gets resolved and its just a mistake on Keiths part...

Always hate to see these threads.

 

[RShanko]

In the example of the scout trooper helmet, I wouldn't really have real world legal 'rights' to it either.
You said it was not fairgame, but that is contradictory to your above quote.

So which is it?

For crying out loud.
I think hes explained himself enough....to stop this witch hunt.

:sick

 

[Helmetman]

If someone can provide concrete proof that my Predator 2 pattern is derived from Keiths helmet - complete with tells, then I will consider stopping production of it even though I have not personally copied his lid.

Until that point, nothing changes for me.

Thanks for the comments. This witch hunt must be nipped in the bud. You really are trying to string someone up that has done nothing wrong.

Steve

 

[HDPE]

ok so I'm not really interested in participating in an online 'gang bang'
which is the kind of thread I usually hate the most but I have a few questions:

If your ANH/ESB Stormtrooper helmet is from another, completely different source, it's something quite special , correct?

A must have for any hardcore trooper fan since the market is saturated with TE1 (Brian R) derivatives helmets.

Why not openly offer a limited/unlimited run on the RPF and the other boards full of hardcore trooper fans like myself...


Why choose to sell under a different screenname on ebay which is trooper POS saturated.

If it's a new source, it's quite rare , correct again?

Why choose to sell on ebay first where it has every chance to fall into the wrong hands when you can sell them here to respected collectors....
That doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. :confused
Of course you have every right to do so as well as the right to choose whatever ebay screen name you like ....

I think it would help if you could tell a bit more about your source, feel free to pm me.

 

[dblank]

These look to be recasts of cking's indiana jones bust from a few years ago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280170075817

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280158823556

and this is definitely a retooling of the T2 planet hollywood head I sold Helmetman a year ago. The stage 5 battle damage was filled in and then the T1 damage was cut in. You can see how smooth the right side is and the poorly sculpted right eye.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280163496500

 

[Helmetman]

I am not at liberty to reveal any source for my trooper helmet pattern for entirely this reason. My sources will remain my own.

DBlank, you are correct, you did sell me a PH Head a year ago. Perhaps you will also recall that I contacted you about various issues regarding it, including a squishy endo eye - to which you were very unhelpful.

The T1 bust you refer to was produced by a fellow prop maker here in the UK.

 

[dblank]

I am not at liberty to reveal any source for my trooper helmet pattern for entirely this reason. My sources will remain my own.

DBlank, you are correct, you did sell me a PH Head a year ago. Perhaps you will also recall that I contacted you about various issues regarding it, including a squishy endo eye - to which you were very unhelpful.

The T1 bust you refer to was produced by a fellow prop maker here in the UK.

I was unhelpful because after you received the bust you sent me this PM dated 6/20/07:

"1:1 Arnold - Arrived!
Hi Dale

Just a quick line to say that my Arnie arrived today and I love him! He's ace.

The quality is great too. Feels real strong.

Thanks again!
Steve " admin: last name removed

Then a few weeks later you wanted me to send you an extra eye. Now I see why you wanted a free extra endo eye, for your T1 retooling/recasting of the head I sold you.

No defense for recasting the Indy? Did you run out of "unnamed sources" and "Fellow Prop Maker" excuses?

 

[voice in the crowd]

If your ANH/ESB Stormtrooper helmet is from another, completely different source, it's something quite special , correct?

A must have for any hardcore trooper fan since the market is saturated with TE1 (Brian R) derivatives helmets.

Why not openly offer a limited/unlimited run on the RPF and the other boards full of hardcore trooper fans like myself...

Good points HDPE if somebody had a different ANH / ESB stormtrooper we all know if you wanted to sell copies that you could sell a bucket load of them for a very respectible price to the stormtrooper collectors on this forum and make a pretty penny.

If it isn't a recast of a TE stormtrooper helmet then you can only put it down to naivity selling only one exclusive copy of a very rare new piece for such a low price.

I know of one other source of a ANH stormtrooper casting in the UK different to TEs and that definitely isn't it.

Keith and dblank have both called you out and seem convinced they are correct. Unfortunately for you looking at what has been said their claims seem quite legit.

You can only prove each other wrong with evidence and so far none has been shown by either side. I would suggest some pictures to back up your claims guys.

The fact that since this thread has started four different items are looking pretty suspect on your auctions isn't bathing you in glory Helmetman.

Helmetman if you do not want to publicly divulge your sources then possibly privately telling your sources to forum moderator would go a long way to keeping your name clean.

Chris.

 

[OldKen]

What Chris said.

Good points HDPE if somebody had a different ANH / ESB stormtrooper we all know if you wanted to sell copies that you could sell a bucket load of them for a very respectible price to the stormtrooper collectors on this forum and make a pretty penny.

If it isn't a recast of a TE stormtrooper helmet then you can only put it down to naivity selling only one exclusive copy of a very rare new piece for such a low price.

I know of one other source of a ANH stormtrooper casting in the UK different to TEs and that definitely isn't it.

Keith and dblank have both called you out and seem convinced they are correct. Unfortunately for you looking at what has been said their claims seem quite legit.

You can only prove each other wrong with evidence and so far none has been shown by either side. I would suggest some pictures to back up your claims guys.

The fact that since this thread has started four different items are looking pretty suspect on your auctions isn't bathing you in glory Helmetman.

Helmetman if you do not want to publicly divulge your sources then possibly privately telling your sources to forum moderator would go a long way to keeping your name clean.

Chris.

 

[Keith]

You know what Steve, after reading just a little of your last posts, i just had to start skimming through them, as you are so full of s*%t and lies, its sikening.

You have to be one of the most naive and imature people i have ever known.

I don't know what i was supposed to have said to your friend that was threatening. I don't threaten people. Especially over the internet through emails.

As for the Meatsock helmets. I've never hidden from anyone that i bought helmets from him. Infact, i think i was the person to bring him to light here on the rpf by showing everyone what i bought and that the seller told me that was that the mold came from another helmet and not the Brian R one.
Sound silly that i would believe that now? SURE DOES, but how many years ago was that? We have ALL learned a lot more about trooper helmets since then.
Again, i have not hidden that fact that i bought Meatsock kits and i think i have sold all but 1 Meatsock helmet and 1 face plate here on the rpf.

You have the nerve to try and make me look bad and yourself look all sweet and innocent.
People can beleive what they want. I know what the people here who really know me will think and thats all that matters to me.

The tells that the helmet you are selling came off the one that i sold you. Can't be arsed explaining tbh, as there are too many things to list.
Trust me guys it is, as you well know Steve.
I didn't call you out just because of the Predator helmet anyway.

As soon as your found selling recast items on ebay, you seem to dump that account and start again under another name. You have three ebay names that i know of. You may have even more i don't know of.

As for the other predator helmets you sell. I don't beleive for one minute you don't make them and that you just buy them to finish off and sell on. You have sold tons of them.

HDPE hit the nail on the head with his post. Well said!

Keith.

 

[Keith]

I have a spare few minutes, so even though i know you recast the helmet i sold you, for the people here who don't know the details i added, i will ask you this.....
Do the predator 2 helmets you make have a bottom to the chin with air hole indents?
I scratch built the bottom of the chin onto the helmet. No other has it.

Thats just one detail i added to it.

BTW you said: "The important issue here is that I did not 'recast' your helmet and it boils down to your word against mine I'm afraid."

Well when you are selling recasts of an item i sold to you and then when i ask you why, you tell me that you bought a load of them of someone (won't say who) to sell on and then when asked again around two years later why you are still selling them under a third ebay name you now say you bought the mold off someone and are only casting them, but the mold is a mold taken from the helmet i made. I kind of think that is more than my word against yours.

You also said: I own many items from people on this board. Namely a Howard Chris Reeve and a Sarge Arnold. But you don't see me selling them on ebay.

No, you only make and sell items you think you can get away with.

Keith.

 

[Gman666]

I can state that I had a P2 helmet that had the bottom under the chin with holes I purchased 2 years ago. I would have to check who I bought it from if I still have the records but I know that it was not from overseas and it was not from Helmetman. I was told it was cast from a screen used helmet. My computer is down but I have pics of it at home. I believe that I sold it on this very forum. I wish that I hadn't since I loved it. I also may have posted it over at the Hunter's Lair but I have not been there in over a year as Terminator took over my bio collection . I sold my Porsche and the terrific Celtic bio too.:cry

Thanks!

Greg

 

[dblank]

I did a little more searching and I see helmetman Steve (admin: stop dropping last names) is selling direct recasts of the T2 bust I sold him in addition to the retooled then recast bust.

Here's a link to the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-1-1-Bust-Terminator-prop_W0QQitemZ280173018445

and here's a link to Helmetman's thread with the bust I sold him:
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=27914