Does today's generation "see/understand" TV and movies differently?

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:lol: yeah, right? In that case, Albert Einstein must be Captain Blackbeard to them!!:p


It reminds me of this quote from Mark Twain's comment in Autobiography of Mark Twain, Volume 2 (University of California Press, 2013)
Assuming they know either. I like that Mark Twain comment very fitting,I’m thinking more “War is Peace,Freedom is Slavery,Ignorance is Strength”.Orwell 1984
 
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I also consider so much of our culture is disposable too. Nothing is built to last. Beliefs, institutions, relationships, why wouldn't art be subject to the same attitude? Everything is based on the immediacy of the moment rather than anything that requires endurance. It's easy to have convictions if they don't cost you anything. That's the reason why a lot of modern fictional heroes feel hollow, because their victory came without any personal sacrifice.
Yes; the victories they win are worth as much as they paid to achieve them.
 
I also consider so much of our culture is disposable too. Nothing is built to last. Beliefs, institutions, relationships, why wouldn't art be subject to the same attitude? Everything is based on the immediacy of the moment rather than anything that requires endurance. It's easy to have convictions if they don't cost you anything. That's the reason why a lot of modern fictional heroes feel hollow, because their victory came without any personal sacrifice.

I can agree with some of this. Capitalism certainly does have a way of mass producing things with the intent of selling you a replacement in the nearish future. But as far as art goes, the quality to garbage bin ratio remains very similar to what it always has been, with us left to recognize the standouts of the past and forget about all the dreck that they rose above.

It's all just a bald rationalization because they realize that they have nothing intelligent to say about the show, therefore they just declare it art so they don't have to evaluate it at all.

How does the saying go... "We've investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong" :lol: I think my biggest beef is the inclination to complain about how people do things or react to things without taking even the barest moment to try understand where they're coming from beyond a kneejerk reaction that it must be nefarious or at the least based in greed or laziness or blatant stupidity. But hey, this is the internet, reflection beyond our own trousers isn't usually our strongest suit, and no one else's point of view could be as valid as our own, could it?

Sometimes this place reminds me of old folks night at the bar, full of self congratulations and complaining about everything the next generation is up to without a lick of self reflection. ******, it's like the lot of us aren't living in a world that now has Nirvana on the classic rock station. Things change. The old ways fade, and sometimes we're better off for it collectively.

Have fun guys, I'm going to ride it out with the kids. They'll be in charge sooner or later, and then I can listen to them complain about the next batch I guess.

Peace out.
 
If it hasn't been made abundantly clear, not all change is bad and I do like a lot of new things, including, gasp, new media! I've been unabashedly gushing over Stranger Things! I won't apologize for it either! I freaking LOVE that show! It is entirely possible to be critical of new stories and also still find ones to enjoy. It's also possible that those who embrace every new thing as being automatically great are just as reactionary to any criticism as those "crusty old guys" are to new ideas. It certainly works both ways, even if the perrenially positive fans never want to acknowlege it.

No one likes getting older. Times change. Attitudes change. People change. For better or worse. Sometimes things improve. Sometimes they don't. We have no choice in the matter. You just have to roll with the punches. Children may be the future, but I don't think it's an excuse to throw away the past, or to silence the voice of older generations. I was raised to respect my elders, even if I didn't always agree with them. I think this new generation has an obligation to do the same. If they want respect they need to be able to give it too. That extends just as much to the discussion of art as it does with anything else though that's not to say they need to love what I do if they want my respect.
 
The premise that younger audiences are less intelligent prevalent in this thread certainly doesn't seem respectful.

"they don’t know they have been manipulated."
"another tactic many of the younger set use in their diatribes: emotional manipulation"
"The younger set are no longer taught how to think, but rather what to think by vapid sources that seek to hold minds in an ignorant embrace"
"they have nothing intelligent to say"
"entire viewpoint is based on fee-fees"
"lacking critical thinking skills"
"They simply don’t know any better"
"an intelligent conversation about it. Unfortunately, below a certain age, that seems highly unlikely."
"These people are pathetic."
"they are totally lacking in substance themselves."
 
I can agree with some of this. Capitalism certainly does have a way of mass producing things with the intent of selling you a replacement in the nearish future. But as far as art goes, the quality to garbage bin ratio remains very similar to what it always has been, with us left to recognize the standouts of the past and forget about all the dreck that they rose above.

I concur with this assessment. Movies especially feel like they're fast food: quickly made and thrown out, consumed and to be forgotten. There's only so much fast food people can take before they get burnt out on it.
 
I think the question is, what new material of this era is going to stand the test of time? Obviously we'll have to wait
I think the question is, what new material of this era is going to stand the test of time? Obviously we'll have to wait to find out.
Maybe things like Bladerunner 2019, I just rewatched it and the sound alone is awesome. Same goes for Dune.
I see a common denominator here..
 
I can agree with some of this. Capitalism certainly does have a way of mass producing things with the intent of selling you a replacement in the nearish future. But as far as art goes, the quality to garbage bin ratio remains very similar to what it always has been, with us left to recognize the standouts of the past and forget about all the dreck that they rose above.



How does the saying go... "We've investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong" :lol: I think my biggest beef is the inclination to complain about how people do things or react to things without taking even the barest moment to try understand where they're coming from beyond a kneejerk reaction that it must be nefarious or at the least based in greed or laziness or blatant stupidity. But hey, this is the internet, reflection beyond our own trousers isn't usually our strongest suit, and no one else's point of view could be as valid as our own, could it?

Sometimes this place reminds me of old folks night at the bar, full of self congratulations and complaining about everything the next generation is up to without a lick of self reflection. ******, it's like the lot of us aren't living in a world that now has Nirvana on the classic rock station. Things change. The old ways fade, and sometimes we're better off for it collectively.

Have fun guys, I'm going to ride it out with the kids. They'll be in charge sooner or later, and then I can listen to them complain about the next batch I guess.

Peace out.
The old ways fade for a while but they often come back later, sometimes in different forms. History cycles and repeats itself even in the form of art, values, media, styles, cultural paradigms etc. That's why it's better to find what you like or relate to on deep levels based on its own merit, no matter what the temporary generation "in charge" says is "in" at the moment.

At the same time there is something to be said about being able to relate to current times/generations though because nothing makes one age faster than being stuck in a time that's long gone and won't cycle back in any form for several generations. Life is about change and adaption those can't do either become relics.
 
To sum up, this thread is a bunch of

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With a dash of

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At least thats how it comes off to me.
 
How is wanting solid story and character development something that only "old men" like?

Is that what this is supposed to be about? It didnt seem like it to me. Guess sometimes threads start out with a certain intent then drift away from that over time. Actually that seems to happen quite a bit here. Could just be my perception, though.

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Idk referring to members as grumpy old men yelling at clouds is about as laughably moronic as saying all young people are idiots who don't know anything. Pick your poison.
You just have to laugh at your own reactions to things, sometimes.
I couldn't agree more. Well said.
 
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