Paul Andrew
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The word normal is doing a lot of heaving lifting here.
Also, being anti-agenda is an agenda in an of itself, for whatever that's worth.
Does today's generation "see/understand" TV and movies differently?
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Also, being anti-agenda is an agenda in an of itself, for whatever that's worth.
Axlotl
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Not having an agenda is an agenda?
Good Lord. I'm living in clown world.
Master Boda
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lol you didn’t get the memo that the lunatics are running the asylum.
Bigdaddy
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I don't find it funny and I don't see the relevance to my post that you quoted.
Frankly all you've done is make assertions about how your view is correct, you echo the same tired statements in darn near every thread in the entertainment section. Maybe other people have time to waste attempting to discuss these concepts with you but I work 11 hours a day and commute for another 3 so I just prefer not to bother with all the logic fallacies.
Peace brother.
ScourgiousJinx
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IDK about anyone else but when someone talks down to others like they're here to snidely educate I don't even really process (or care to) what they're saying because their attitude is so off putting.
Bigdaddy
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Getting back to the actual topic of the thread:
My daughter watched Big Trouble in Little China when she was 13 and thought it was stupid and hokey. Six years later she watched again and loved it! She quotes it all the time, refers to my truck as the Pork Chop Express and has the movie poster on her wall. That's how much perspective can change in a few short years.
She also disliked Taxi Driver and The Godfather, both are on our review list so I'm really curious about how she'll view them 5 years later with a different appreciation for film making and story telling.
For our initial 8 films we're trying to have a mix of genres and time periods.
Chinatown, Enemy, Animal house, Dawn of the Dead (original) a few others we are debating whether to include.
My daughter watched Big Trouble in Little China when she was 13 and thought it was stupid and hokey. Six years later she watched again and loved it! She quotes it all the time, refers to my truck as the Pork Chop Express and has the movie poster on her wall. That's how much perspective can change in a few short years.
She also disliked Taxi Driver and The Godfather, both are on our review list so I'm really curious about how she'll view them 5 years later with a different appreciation for film making and story telling.
For our initial 8 films we're trying to have a mix of genres and time periods.
Chinatown, Enemy, Animal house, Dawn of the Dead (original) a few others we are debating whether to include.
Cephus
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No, not you... someone else.
Cephus
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The point being that they actually did make an attempt to use Asian actors (not Chinese, I don't think, at least not back in the 20s). Actually understanding the context and the culture is a hell of a lot more important than just running around screaming...I don't find it funny and I don't see the relevance to my post that you quoted.
Frankly all you've done is make assertions about how your view is correct, you echo the same tired statements in darn near every thread in the entertainment section. Maybe other people have time to waste attempting to discuss these concepts with you but I work 11 hours a day and commute for another 3 so I just prefer not to bother with all the logic fallacies.
Peace brother.
Picard102
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And that's just the posts we see that haven't been removed already.
CB2001
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I came across this video. Though it’s about Star Wars, some of what is pointed out in this video is what I feel is a problem with a lot of franchises, not just with Star Wars alone. He even points out the basics of storytelling that anyone who has had a writing class at a college that I myself also felt was lacking with modern writers.
And another on ignore.I don't find it funny and I don't see the relevance to my post that you quoted.
Frankly all you've done is make assertions about how your view is correct, you echo the same tired statements in darn near every thread in the entertainment section. Maybe other people have time to waste attempting to discuss these concepts with you but I work 11 hours a day and commute for another 3 so I just prefer not to bother with all the logic fallacies.
Peace brother.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
I can't believe it took me 10 years to get ignored, my brothers have been trying to do it for half a century!
Pssst.. telling someone "I'm ignoring you" is the opposite of ignoring.
On topic: I added Nightshift to our review list after reading the Fonzie thread. It's been over 30 years since I've seen it and my daughter never has but has developed an appreciation for Henry Winkler since watching Barry. If you haven't seen it, his performance is amazing.
Pssst.. telling someone "I'm ignoring you" is the opposite of ignoring.
On topic: I added Nightshift to our review list after reading the Fonzie thread. It's been over 30 years since I've seen it and my daughter never has but has developed an appreciation for Henry Winkler since watching Barry. If you haven't seen it, his performance is amazing.
Master Boda
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GI Joe was about the only American cartoon that the kid liked.Thundercats,Transformers,SilverHawk not so much.After showing her Vampire Hunter D and 999 Galaxy Express which I also grew up on,she said they were way better than those listed above. I guess in hindsight after watching anime as a kid the American cartoons were really lacking.
...let's not forget StarBlazers
joberg
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My point was about the new word being lobbed around: "Appropriation"
According to this agenda (because it is), an actor simply cannot appropriate the reality/life experience of someone else; this reality/life experience has to be acted by the person living(as in now or in the past) that said experience. Not really a stretch for an actor (or anyone in that profession)! Same with others crying about an actor/actress in fat suit; should it be only played by an overweight person? Bankable star is what it's all about...period. It's a business to make profit. Historically, Anne Boleyn is a white person...why do you want to change History? Let's make a movie about Rosa Parks portrayed by someone other than a black woman and let's see the "Offended" crowd baying for their head!
Series have, lately, employed actors/actresses who don't fit the "Hollywood norms"(Orange is the new black or This is Us for example) and I'm fine with it; it's well written; there's no token character put in there to please a small segment of a very specific viewership and it's very popular with a wide audience.
Picard102
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I'm not sure I see where the distinction is being made. A black actress playing a white character is the same as a skinny person playing a fat one. You're saying two different things at the same time, both would be "appropriation".My point was about the new word being lobbed around: "Appropriation"
Historically, Anne Boleyn is a white person...why do you want to change History? Let's make a movie about Rosa Parks portrayed by someone other than a black woman and let's see the "Offended" crowd baying for their head!
Cephus
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That's kind of the point though. Acting is all about playing something that you're not, but today, only gay actors are allowed to play gay characters. Only trans actors are allowed to play trans roles. They've kind of forgotten what acting is. These people have some serious problems.
Solo4114
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I don't mean this as a personal attack, but I think it's harder, generally speaking, for folks like us to understand the representation idea precisely because we've been well-represented. The world is our oyster, so to speak. I don't know about you, but I never feel under-represented. The closest experience I had was in watching Black Panther in the theater with a mostly black crowd, and it just feeling different from other movie experiences for me. I felt less like the film was speaking to me, and more like the film was speaking to them. I still loved the film and I think it's a terrific entry in the Marvel franchise, but it was a straight-up different experience watching that film than watching other films. I've been to plenty of Marvel films in the theater, and it's never been like that. It got me thinking "Is this the experience that those folks feel in pretty much every other movie?" If it is...that's significant. That's got to have an impact on people, especially when it's pervasive. Black Panther was one movie where that wasn't true. It was an incredibly high-profile, massive budget superhero film and while it wasn't...hmm...exclusionary, it had an underlying vibe of "We're not really talking to you" about it. I tried thinking about what it would feel like if every film I saw, every show I watched, was like that. It'd feel pretty alienating, and would underscore this idea of "I'm not the default, I'm an outsider, this world isn't really for me."
There's also a difference between enjoying a character and identifying with the character. I can enjoy lots of characters who are nothing like me. But identifying with them is a little different. When I identify with a character, it's more that I see myself or at least aspects of myself in that character. I can relate to them a bit more closely than with a character whom I just think is interesting or cool or whatever. Now, there are plenty of characters who are different from me with whom I can identify, but when I do, it's really only with part of them. The more of myself I see in them, the more I identify with them. The more their experiences, thoughts, attitudes, etc. match my own, the closer I feel to the character. But I also come to this from a different starting point, as do you, because I'm already incredibly well represented in entertainment (broadly speaking).
Like, nobody would make a big deal about a superhero film featuring a mostly white cast, about a straight, white superhero, right? Nobody would care. That's normal. But it's a big deal when it's pretty much anything but that. And that's not to say that there aren't other characters out there who are different. But it's quite a different story when one of them headlines the piece, when the story is primarily about them and where the white guys are the background players.
I'll put it another way. I think the importance of representation in film is so that pretty much everyone can feel the way you and I do when we watch stuff. We can enjoy it and pretty much just take it or leave it. If we like the characters, cool. If not, fine, whatever. We don't really care when there's XYZ character who's different from us because there's plenty to like out there already, and there's plenty of characters like us out there, too. I don't think that's really the case for everyone in this society. Not everyone's stories are told. Not everyone gets to see themselves and their lives on screen. It's why people resonated with Black Panther, and why, I suspect, the reviews I've seen of Ms. Marvel are so glowing (although I just started watching it, myself). To the extent there's an agenda there, the agenda is making the way we experience the world available for everyone. Doesn't everyone deserve that experience?
I don't think you're some kind of superman. I think you are, however, occupying a pretty advantageous position within this culture, and it's one that's often not really realized precisely because it's just...you know..."normal." Except what's normal for us, isn't normal for everyone. I'd like that not to be the case. I'd like it to be normal for everyone.
Yeah, my kid enjoys the various cartoons mostly, but she still gets kinda scared by this or that moment of intensity or character or whatever. She's also waaaaaaaay too young for pretty much anything anime, even as adapted for American audiences. We'll get there eventually, but, I mean, she's six so it's still early days.
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