Deep Space Nine, where to start?

[Apollo]

Yes the characters had time to be extremely defined.

I loved the inter-play between Odo and Quark especially.

Those two knew each other like the back of their hands

 

[neosporing]

Yes the characters had time to be extremely defined.
I loved the inter-play between Odo and Quark especially.
Those two knew each other like the back of their hands

i can't help but be reminded of Benson's Clayton Endicott's character when i saw Odo and Sisko together... or an aged Candyman...

I just finished watching 'The Visitor' and can't believe how emotional i got while watching it... I guess the last time i saw it (early 90's) i had no family... It broke my heart to see old jake in the subspace fracture with Sisko calling for Dax in desparation... then watching his son die in front of you as an old man... for me it had the emotional resonance of when picard lived out his whole life in a few seconds from that derelict satallite. i must be getting old to get all weepy like this.

I hoped the young lady was able to get through Jakes manuscripts before the whole universe rewinded...

 

[jlee562]

I actually really hated "The Visitor."

And I agree on the character development. I don't think there's a single character more interesting than Garak.

 

[darthgordon]

Has been a while since I watched it...yeah, I suppose she did believe in the Prophets.

But her machinations were about power, and greed, or any number of other "bad" motivations, all the while she pretended whatever bug was up her butt that day was due to some religious issue. Which has real-world parallels, to be sure, but we've seen plenty of that, and it made it "okay" for our heroes to oppose her. But what if everything she said was true at face value? That she didn't want Starfleet to do A, B, or C truly because of religious reason X, Y, and Z? Something that doesn't make sense from Starfleet's POV? What do they do THEN? They toyed with that a little at first, but it was all undercut when her true motivations were revealed.

I really liked Kai Opaca. It was a waste to kill her off immediately.

She very much believed in the Prophets. She also believed that she was the one to lead Bajor into a new era and show them the path to the Prophets.

She felt that Bajor was moving away from them... that the resistance felt that it was them and not the Prophets that caused the Cardassians to leave. She didn't like the idea of Starfleet or the Federation being looked at as a savior either. She didn't like the way Starfleet discribed them as "wormhole aliens" or their scientific approach at studying them.

She felt that she was one of the few that could lead her people back to the Prophets. That it was her duty; no matter what Machiavellian machinations she had to resort to.

That path itself is what made her arogant and greedy for power. The more she attained, the more she wanted.

She became very jelous that the Prophets had chosen an off worlder as their emissary. She began to resent Sisko because of it. Yet, she still listened to him for her people. Bajor instead, did not join the Federation, and signed a non-agression pact with the Dominion.

She still felt slighted, after all of this, the Prophets did not speak to her. Not when attempting to consult any orb. Yet they would talk to Opaka, they would talk to Bareil, they would even talk to Kira and they certainly spoke to Sisko regularly.

When she was finally spoken to, it was the Pah-Wraiths that did it. When she felt that she had betrayed the Prophets and Kira suggested that she step down as Kai, that was it. The Prophets had never offered her anything and she was unwilling to give up her power.

Only then did she turn to the Pah-Wraiths... in her resentment toward the Prophets. She hated Dukat, and only followed him because the Pah-Wraiths had told her to expect a guide.

In the end, she realized that she had been wrong and helped Sisko... thus helping the Prophets.

 

[Angelus Lupus]

Without going in to the relative merits of each Trek series, I'll just say that DS9 has had some very good episodes.
As a whole, one of the things I liked about DS9 was Quark's. I'm disappointed that I never got a chance to visit the 'real' Quark's at the Experience. But it has provided me with a hobby of collecting weird bottles, and my vector skills have come on a lot since I started re-creating labels.

 

[SSgt Burton]

I don't think there's a single character more interesting than Garak.

Easily my favourite character on DS9.

Aside from "In the Pale Moonlight" that has already been mentioned, check out the two-parter "Improbable Cause" and "The Die is Cast" near the end of season three. Both center around Garak, Odo and the pending Dominion War.


Kevin

 

[MooCriket]

I have to admit as well, that Garak was played well. Wasn't he played by the actor from that Dirty Harry movie, where he pays someone to beat him up...then goes on t.v., all bloodied, swollen and nasty looking saying Eastwood did it. Then Eastwood's boss says something like, well...did you do it? Eastwood says, No, I didn't do it, and the boss says well how do I know that? Eastwood...because he looks too good. If not, sure reminds me of him...LOL.

 

[feek61]

Well, working my way through from the beginning (sorry, don't like to skip ahead; kind of like reading ahead in a book). I'm now on the 3rd disc. So far so good. No really great episodes (not horrible either; much better then the first season of TNG) but the characters are tolerable (so far). I am looking forward to the middle seasons of the series because the general consensus seems to indicate that's when the series hit it's stride.

 

[SSgt Burton]

Wasn't he played by the actor from that Dirty Harry movie, where he pays someone to beat him up...then goes on t.v., all bloodied, swollen and nasty looking saying Eastwood did it. Then Eastwood's boss says something like, well...did you do it? Eastwood says, No, I didn't do it, and the boss says well how do I know that? Eastwood...because he looks too good. If not, sure reminds me of him...LOL.

Yes that was him.


Kevin

 

[Apollo]

Garak was great!

The war would have been real short if they let him do his thing!

I don't think there's a single character more interesting than Garak.

 

[Apollo]

Andy Robinson, great guy hung out with him for a week-end at a Con.

Heres a quick trivia fact his daughter was the writer that visited Old Jake on "The Visitor"

I have to admit as well, that Garak was played well. Wasn't he played by the actor from that Dirty Harry movie,

 

[Apollo]

:lol Yes Odo remined me of Clayton sometimes. :lol

I thought the visitor was a powerful episode.

It was also nice to see Tony Todd flexing his chops on something other than playing Worf's brother.

I have seen him on stage and he is a great Actor.

i can't help but be reminded of Benson's Clayton Endicott's character when i saw Odo and Sisko together... or an aged Candyman...

I just finished watching 'The Visitor' and can't believe how emotional i got while watching it... I guess the last time i saw it (early 90's) i had no family... It broke my heart to see old jake in the subspace fracture with Sisko calling for Dax in desparation... then watching his son die in front of you as an old man... for me it had the emotional resonance of when picard lived out his whole life in a few seconds from that derelict satallite. i must be getting old to get all weepy like this.

I hoped the young lady was able to get through Jakes manuscripts before the whole universe rewinded...

 

[TheDoctor]

I hoped you enjoyed it as much as I did and still do.

Sisko keeps his edge but he can't be all dark as he is, well you will find out later what he REALLY is.

Yeah, that was one of the few disappointing things about the series. Of all the things they could have done, they chose to forshadow my disappointment with Lost and make it pretty un-interesting.

That's just me though...

 

[TheDoctor]

Take Quark, for example. Both Sisko and Odo makes no bones about the fact that they dislike Quark and distrust, but Sisko allows the bar to remain open because Quark is useful to him... but over time, they come to see that Quark isn't necessarily as bad as they thought, he's just different and has different values. That's why when Quark's gets shut down, Sisko and Odo and the rest of the crew show up and ask if they can 'store' some things they don't need like tables, chairs, glasses, etc... which Quark then uses to reopen the bar!

I feel that, moreso than other Trek's, it's about learning to accept people for who and what they are because, in the end, we're all in this life together... and that's one hell of a great message.

I forgot about that! I almost cried at that! Quark was such an awesome character - the only one who didn't go through a fundamental change on the show. He was very much the same Ferengi that we first met on a devastated DS9 seven years earlier.

 

[TheDoctor]

DS9 really picked up in season 4 after they figured out what worked and what the fans were and were not responding to. For me, it's my favorite of the spin offs.

Yep. They gave Sisko a promotion, gave him a starship, shaved his head and told him to go kick some Dominion ass.

Seriously though, Season 4 and on, he seemed to have gained a TON of self-confidance and leadership ability.

Plus, big space battles.

 

[neosporing]

Yep. They gave Sisko a promotion, gave him a starship, shaved his head and told him to go kick some Dominion ass.

... Season 4 and on, he seemed to have gained a TON of self-confidance and leadership ability...

wow you guys are right about season 4, it has a much different feel. I can't believe how dramatic a change Sisko seems without the hair and with the beard; the difference is striking.

i just finished watching 'our man bashir'... Forgive me for saying this, but seeing kira on that bed that came out of the wall... with the hair... and the arms... wow...

In that red bajoran suit with that devo haircut, i had no idea she was so stunning... tell me she doesn't keep the haircut and maitre d outfit for the rest of the three seasons?

 

[TheDoctor]

In that red bajoran suit with that devo haircut, i had no idea she was so stunning... tell me she doesn't keep the haircut and maitre d outfit for the rest of the three seasons?

Like Troi and Seven of Nine, I think Kira looks best in a Starfleet uniform.

 

[neosporing]

Like Troi and Seven of Nine, I think Kira looks best in a Starfleet uniform.

i dunno...

 

[Apollo]

Yeah Man!

Nana's a hot little number off screen! :thumbsup

In that red bajoran suit with that devo haircut, i had no idea she was so stunning...

 

[SSgt Burton]

tell me she doesn't keep the haircut and maitre d outfit for the rest of the three seasons?

She grows her hair.


That's all I'll tell you.


Kevin