Deep Space Nine, where to start?

[Weequay]

Just wanted to add, that DS9 is by far my favorite olf the Trek Series.

Very dark serious show in later seasons, which I much prefer.

Also of note, you should look out for episodes which include the characters:

Gull Dukat, Garak, Odo, and quark.

These guys were given some of the most well written material ever, and are some of the most interesting actors I have ever watched.

I could never understand how people could say they prefered Voyager over DS9 lol!! DS9 is so much more serious which I love!!

Weequay

 

[Wolvster1]

Also have to add Martok, LOVED the actor
that played him ! Great voice, nice and gruff
and perfect for a Klingon. Also like the Episode
where they gave him a " back story " of his life
that was almost ruined !!

Won't spoil that one for those that have not
seen it.. Good Episode ! :thumbsup

 

[neosporing]

Also have to add Martok, LOVED the actor
that played him ! Great voice, nice and gruff
and perfect for a Klingon. Also like the Episode
where they gave him a " back story " of his life
that was almost ruined !!

Won't spoil that one for those that have not
seen it.. Good Episode ! :thumbsup

i love klingon stories, TNG's Heart of Glory is on of my favorites. Do you know what this back story episode is called?

 

[Wolvster1]

Yup, Season 7 Eps 7..

Once More Unto the Breach

 

[firesprite]

DS9 is my absolute favorite Trek and Garak is by far my favorite character. He's so.... marvelously devious!

Odo is also a wonderfully written character. He's very complex, especially in his relationships with Kira and Luxwanna Troi. Despite being a shapeshifter, in many ways, Odo is the most human and humane person on the station.

Other notes:

• Jake and Nog are annoying in the early episodes, but once they start to grow up and evolve a bit, they really start to have some great storylines attached to them.
• Quark is also great fun. A personal favorite episode of mine is the Magnificent Ferengi, a fun homage to the Magnificent Seven.
• I love to hate Kai Wynn!

The bottom line is, if you like strong, nuanced characters, interesting storylines, major shades of grey, and realistic handling of tough moral dilemmas DS9 is your show, hands down.

 

[neosporing]

...Magnificent Seven.

• I love to hate Kai Wynn!

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i'm getting a lot of great titles in my queue...

i skipped a head in the queue to watch 'once more unto the breach'... as i was a bit dissapointed with worf's one liners in the 'take me out to the holosuite' episode. While i thought 'death to the opposition' line was hilarious, and the whole concept of a baseball game with vulcans equally amusing, i had a hard time believing so many lacked the coordination to throw, catch and hit a baseball. So there are no sports that require hand-eye coordination in the 23rd century? what about parisi squares? or 'Ambo-Jitsu' the supreme evolution in the martial arts...?:lol

anyway holosuite was fun, as i thought worf being a warrior was underutilized i skipped ahead to 'unto the breach'... So i'm assuming Jedzia is dead and in a new female host... Worf and Jedzia were together? I thought Curzon Dax was a male...

So Worf was in a .. cross gendered, interspecies relationship?

I don't care about the spoilers, ... i remember when Jedzia was put on trial for a murder that Dax supposedly did... but can't quite remember how the show ended up explaining Dax's / Jedzia's gender...

I was under the impression that Jedzia's character was written to be akin to an individual who was born physically one gender, but with the 'personality / gender identity' of an another... in this case physically female, but with the gender identity of a male.

Can someone explain Dax / Jedzia's gender identity to me? And if worf ever addressed it, or other characters talked with him about it?

 

[firesprite]

i'm getting a lot of great titles in my queue...

i skipped a head in the queue to watch 'once more unto the breach'... as i was a bit dissapointed with worf's one liners in the 'take me out to the holosuite' episode. While i thought 'death to the opposition' line was hilarious, and the whole concept of a baseball game with vulcans equally amusing, i had a hard time believing so many lacked the coordination to throw, catch and hit a baseball. So there are no sports that require hand-eye coordination in the 23rd century? what about parisi squares? or 'Ambo-Jitsu' the supreme evolution in the martial arts...?:lol

anyway holosuite was fun, as i thought worf being a warrior was underutilized i skipped ahead to 'unto the breach'... So i'm assuming Jedzia is dead and in a new female host... Worf and Jedzia were together? I thought Curzon Dax was a male...

So Worf was in a .. cross gendered, interspecies relationship?

I don't care about the spoilers, ... i remember when Jedzia was put on trial for a murder that Dax supposedly did... but can't quite remember how the show ended up explaining Dax's / Jedzia's gender...

I was under the impression that Jedzia's character was written to be akin to an individual who was born physically one gender, but with the 'personality / gender identity' of an another... in this case physically female, but with the gender identity of a male.

Can someone explain Dax / Jedzia's gender identity to me? And if worf ever addressed it, or other characters talked with him about it?

Jadzia was female and unabashedly so. She possessed the memories of Curzon, and all the previous hosts to the Dax symbiont (which is, in and of itself, asexual) and has, therefor, personality quirks of both sexes and of various ages. Her relationship with Sisko, for instance, has its origins with Curzon which makes for some interesting situations between the two of them as Sisko has to adapt to this attractive younger woman having randy old Dax's memories of their caroussing together.

If you want to know more about how the symbiont relationship works, I recommend the episode "Facets". It shows a Trill ceremony wherein the memories/personalities of the past hosts are telepathically transplanted into willing hosts temporarily so the current host can 'meet' them and come to terms with the memories. It's a beautiful and heartfelt episode that has some very sweet and some frightening moments in it.

 

[TheDoctor]

The 'Host' has their own personality/sex and is pretty much like any one of us. Once you add the symbiant (the worm) the personality becomes shared It's as if you do a backup of your computer files and settings on a backup drive. Each time you get a new computer, you move your documents into a new folder on that drive, then connect the external drive to the new computer. Your new computer has it's own OS, but it integrates the backup drive into it's filesystem. So if your new computer is Windows 7, but the drive still has preferences

The original purpose (in TNG) was to explore human responses to a higher level of connection between two people (not just physical).

There was an interesting episode earlier (S1 or 2) where a rebel Trill kidnaps jadzia and removes Dax from her, forcing her to cope with being 'just Jadzia' and the effect it had on her and the newly joined rebel Trill.

 

[Apollo]

I hoped you enjoyed it as much as I did and still do.

Sisko keeps his edge but he can't be all dark as he is, well you will find out later what he REALLY is.

So does Cisco stay on the 'Dark Side?' I hope he keeps some of that 'edge' with him on future episodes.

going to watch the 'visitor' next.

 

[jlee562]

DS9 really picked up in season 4 after they figured out what worked and what the fans were and were not responding to. For me, it's my favorite of the spin offs.

 

[Alan Castillo]

I have all the Trek series and watch them all at least once a year.

I adore DS9. IMO it has the 'deepest' of all Trek plots & sub-plots.

DS9 [*]I love to hate Kai Wynn!

Every time I see her on screen, I am astonished at myself for the utter and most intense feeling of disgust that she provokes in me. I even see myself just slapping her across the face every time she opens that sarcastic mouth !

Now THAT is what I call fantastic acting !! :lol :thumbsup

 

[Geniepants]

I agree with most here, it's one of the best Star Trek shows out there. They go in directions the other Treks shows never would have, and during the Dominion War they really changed up the status quo for awhile.

As others have said, the show really picks up in season 4 when Worf arrives and the Dominion plot first starts up.

 

[Alan Castillo]

It is also impossible to miss an episode, especially in the last season.

It's like watching a soap-opera, you'd miss too many details that have significant meaning for later episodes and the series in general.

 

[Apollo]

Yeah just like Bab-5 which it ripped off! :lol

It is also impossible to miss an episode, especially in the last season.

It's like watching a soap-opera, you'd miss too many details that have significant meaning for later episodes and the series in general.

 

[Treadwell]

One thing about Kai Wynn that bugged me is that she was a hypocrite. It's like the writers were scared to have a "bad guy" who also believed in their faith. That eliminated a level of potential complexity concerning Starfleet trying to be patient with an alien culture's mumbo-jumbo. "Oh, she doesn't really believe anyway, so it's safe to hate her."

 

[Alan Castillo]

Oh but she believed ! Very much so in fact !

Yes, it's her hypocracy that is irritating - not because she doesn't believe, but because she is bad AND believes ... and all engulfed in that 'slappable' smile.

That is what makes her so 'hateable', and such a good actress.

 

[Treadwell]

Has been a while since I watched it...yeah, I suppose she did believe in the Prophets.

But her machinations were about power, and greed, or any number of other "bad" motivations, all the while she pretended whatever bug was up her butt that day was due to some religious issue. Which has real-world parallels, to be sure, but we've seen plenty of that, and it made it "okay" for our heroes to oppose her. But what if everything she said was true at face value? That she didn't want Starfleet to do A, B, or C truly because of religious reason X, Y, and Z? Something that doesn't make sense from Starfleet's POV? What do they do THEN? They toyed with that a little at first, but it was all undercut when her true motivations were revealed.

I really liked Kai Opaca. It was a waste to kill her off immediately.

 

[firesprite]

Has been a while since I watched it...yeah, I suppose she did believe in the Prophets.

But her machinations were about power, and greed, or any number of other "bad" motivations, all the while she pretended whatever bug was up her butt that day was due to some religious issue. Which has real-world parallels, to be sure, but we've seen plenty of that, and it made it "okay" for our heroes to oppose her. But what if everything she said was true at face value? That she didn't want Starfleet to do A, B, or C truly because of religious reason X, Y, and Z? Something that doesn't make sense from Starfleet's POV? What do they do THEN? They toyed with that a little at first, but it was all undercut when her true motivations were revealed.

I really liked Kai Opaca. It was a waste to kill her off immediately.

I agree about Kai Opaca. She was great!

 

[Alan Castillo]

I really liked Kai Opaca. It was a waste to kill her off immediately.

Ah, but that was the whole point. To immortalise her, as indeed happened.

 

[firesprite]

One of the things that I think I like best about the show is that it's a closed environment, really, so the tensions get ratcheted up really quickly.

Take Quark, for example. Both Sisko and Odo makes no bones about the fact that they dislike Quark and distrust, but Sisko allows the bar to remain open because Quark is useful to him... but over time, they come to see that Quark isn't necessarily as bad as they thought, he's just different and has different values. That's why when Quark's gets shut down, Sisko and Odo and the rest of the crew show up and ask if they can 'store' some things they don't need like tables, chairs, glasses, etc... which Quark then uses to reopen the bar!

I feel that, moreso than other Trek's, it's about learning to accept people for who and what they are because, in the end, we're all in this life together... and that's one hell of a great message.