It's funny, because that's how I feel towards a lot of other studios since that's exactly the kind of value they seem to follow to the extreme. They always prefer the male heroes in the story with just a token female side kick. Cripes, there are folks here who think women shouldn't have a leading role in Star Wars period. How is it that my wishes for a more female centric show is more unhealthy than those who say they shouldn't be the main character?
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It's funny, because that's how I feel towards a lot of other studios since that's exactly the kind of value they seem to follow to the extreme. They always prefer the male heroes in the story with just a token female side kick. Cripes, there are folks here who think women shouldn't have a leading role in Star Wars period. How is it that my wishes for a more female centric show is more unhealthy than those who say they shouldn't be the main character?
Actually the casting of Tim Curry makes me feel that a Season 6 is going to happen. Well, it already has as most of the recording work for it is likely done at this point, so they felt confidant enough to bring him in. In regards to the above comment, Ahsoka will be back and I wouldn't be surprised to see a lead female for EpVII, so I am betting you will have to eat those words.
Edwardowan
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ya, I second Vader1974 in that Anakin retrieved Barris' saber in her room when he went to talk to her (he used the force to float it to his hand) And of course he still had his own saber on his belt so when the fight started he was using Barris' saber but once outside he then also started using his own. And like Vader1974 said, Anakin used 2 sabers in his fight with Dooku in AotC... Obi Wan threw his saber to him when Obi was down but it was a very short lived dual saber fight.
Most likely only as a minor character who's role will only serve to broaden Anakin's character just as they did with these last two episodes. I really thought the show was going somewhere great with Ahsoka setting out to prove her innocence, but instead it resorts to her getting captured, put on trail and having Anakin set out to save her instead. Kind of anti-climactic for a main character of a five year long show who may or may not come back.
Disagree. I think she, Rex, and Ventress have been the standouts of the series despite the fact that this is a storyline designed to lead into EpIII which is about Anakin Skywalker. You are being very myopic in your interpretation of this season 5 finale. You also don't seem very aware or have spent time listening to interviews and conversations with Dave Filoni and the production team of the Clone Wars over the years. If you had, you would have a much better understanding of at least the creators opinions of the importance of the character to this tale and STAR WARS in general.
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Mara Jade's Father
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That's what I was talking about before when I mentioned the deterion of the Jedi order. Barrie is working on her own. You could argue that she would have never taken that action if Palpy had not manipulated a war but I believe the underlying thought that Lucas was trying to convey in the movies and now elaborated on is that the sith's visible return at the time of TPM is because they are able to sense the decline of the jedis control of the force. I also believe this lack of control is not just due to the return of the sith but actually because the Jedi order has become more political than spiritual and therefore unworthy. A lot of fans disliked the discussion of midiclorians because it made the force seem more science than religion but those two things co-exist together otherwise there would not be light and dark sides.
Jedi leaving the order is not black and white. They do not just leave because they want to be evil. IMHO most leave because they recognize the Jedi order has strayed from the true path. Palpy did not create this, he is capitalizing on it and also exposing it. Although there is some propaganda in palpy's rhetoric, he builds upon the base truth a sways public opinion his way. People like Tarkin, dooku and anakin did not set out to be evil, they simply were swayed because by seeing the truth, they were more susceptible to believe the lies.
The problem that I think fans have a tuff time understanding is that unlike the OT where it is a simple battle of good vs evil, the prequels a war against an evil and a lesser evil. Anakin states to obi wan that from his view, the Jedi are evil and even Palme wondering if they are on the wrong side shows that the lines are blurred from what is right and what is wrong.
I've read and heard many writers who say the same thing about the expanded tales of Star Trek. They write them to be important, but all the same, they are not a factor in whether they're important or not. Even Bob Orci, the writer of the new Star Trek movies as well as the comics, does not consider the comics he helps to write as canon. The same has fallen on Star Wars, both books, comics and film. All of the EU of Star Wars that fans have been following for almost three decades that have been told to be canon are no longer canon. Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Jaina Solo, even the original Clone Wars series are now nothing more than just fan fiction material that just happens to make money for Lucasfilm. You think the same can't happen to Ahsoka or the new Clone Wars in general?
There's only one thing that matters to Star Wars and that is the movies. Ahsoka is not in the movies so she will never fully be treated as important unless it's to better serve the characters who are from the movies.
Edwardowan
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Agreed. after 5 years of writing I'm sure Filoni and gang were wondering how to make it fresh and interesting so they probably thought well, what happens if a Jedi leaves the order? where do they go? what do they do and why? And what character do we follow that path with that viewers will love and relate to? Ahsoka Tano!
We've watched her grow up from the very first film (heck, she even got taller!) And afterall, she studied under an idealist almost rogue Jedi with strong opinions of the Jedi order as it is so that would influence her greatly. She looks up to Anakin. So there you have it... I think next season will be less about the Jedi order being the foundation of the Jedi and more about Jedi individual idealisms. A new fresh perspective to keep this show interesting. :thumbsup
Your STAR TREK comparison really isn't apt, the two franchises could not be more different in terms of the creative vision behind them. SW is a singular vision of one man up to this point, STAR TREK has been a collaborative one since Gene died. Also, GL NEVER gave his blessing to the EU as canon, so that argument doesn't hold up either. Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Jaina Solo, the original Clone Wars series were not created by GL, however Ahsoka was. His involvement in the production, story, and character development of this series is just below that of the films. So you are not comparing apples and oranges.
laserpistol76
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Tim Curry is a great actor, but I didn't think he sounded like Palpatine at all.
Edwardowan
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup This! Absolutely. And I believe this is the direction Filoni wants to go with the CW stories.
I agree.
So why isn't George Lucas talking about Ahsoka's most important arc instead of Dave Filoni? For such an important character Lucas created, it certainly doesn't feel like he has any input. After all, he's only listed as executive producer (same as the original Clone Wars) and didn't even write the episode. At least Gene Roddenberry had the decency to write "Assignment: Earth" as the potential last episode of the original Star Trek series that had almost nothing to do with Star Trek thanks to it's "backdoor pilot" nature.
I just don't even know how to appropriately respond to that. Are you saying that because GL isn;t out actively discussing and promoting a character he helped create it vacates his association with it? If you need to be brought up to speed on GL's involvemtn in the show there is plenty of material out there, including bonus features on the DVD'd you can peruse at your leisure. Clearly you haven't.
Edwardowan
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if you go to Watch Star Wars: The Clone Wars Online | StarWars.com and watch all of the Supervising director Dave Filoni featurettes you will not only hear him talk about Lucas' heavy involvment for every show you will see video of GL with the writing and directing staff discussing the show. Filoni has OFTEN mentioned how GL wanted to try this, that or tell a certain story and even has helped write many of the stories himself including his daughter Kate. GL has plenty of input and currently still does!
And GL put Dave Filoni in charge as supervising director so he would be the one to discuss the show. man you are out of touch on CW!
watch this one in particular about the last shows of this season Watch "The Cost of the Clone Wars" - The Clone Wars Episode Featurette #5.17 | StarWars.com
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Mara Jade's Father
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Canon is the SW universe is tricky. Basically, if it comes from LFL, it is canon (unless renounced later such as the holiday special). So movies, the animated show, even shadows of the empire because LFL specifically planned them to be included in the canon. Some things like the droid and ewok cartoon and video games are mainly non-canon. The things like books and comics are sanctioned by LFL and exist as canon, but LFL has the authority to override those events if they wish to. So for now, those novels that have been going for years and years can all be (and hopefully will be) wiped out the moment episode VII hits the screen.
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I just finished the show, & I absolutely loved it. I'm a fan of the show & have been since my son & I watched the movie in the theater. That being said, I would not be unhappy if the show was over.
There's no negative feeling behind this, I just feel that with Ahsoka being introduced in the movie, that this is the perfect time & story to move on. Now if the show continues, I'll be thrilled, but I'd like to see more of an anthology feel to the show. That has been pretty well covered by doing the stories that follow the various other characters like the clones, droids, & politicians, but the feeling that the show had 3 main characters in Anakin, Obi-Wan, & Ahsoka has always been the underlying feeling.
As of right now, I can't think of any character on the show that we don't know the end story of, Maul & Ventress aside. Now I get the feeling that I have read the last book in a series, & now I'm going back to read the middle one. I'm not sure if there's any more to do with these characters. There's only so many ways you can show Anakin's feelings of anger, attatchment, & disillusionment, & Obi-Wan's fear of what will happen to Anakin.
But, I think that my biggest problem now, is that the 2 'hero' factions in the show, Jedi & clones, have been made to the point where you almost can't root for them. The clones are great in military stories, but we all know that they're puppets. The Jedi now, well, this one story ALMOST made me think that what happened in Ep III was poetic justice.
There's no negative feeling behind this, I just feel that with Ahsoka being introduced in the movie, that this is the perfect time & story to move on. Now if the show continues, I'll be thrilled, but I'd like to see more of an anthology feel to the show. That has been pretty well covered by doing the stories that follow the various other characters like the clones, droids, & politicians, but the feeling that the show had 3 main characters in Anakin, Obi-Wan, & Ahsoka has always been the underlying feeling.
As of right now, I can't think of any character on the show that we don't know the end story of, Maul & Ventress aside. Now I get the feeling that I have read the last book in a series, & now I'm going back to read the middle one. I'm not sure if there's any more to do with these characters. There's only so many ways you can show Anakin's feelings of anger, attatchment, & disillusionment, & Obi-Wan's fear of what will happen to Anakin.
But, I think that my biggest problem now, is that the 2 'hero' factions in the show, Jedi & clones, have been made to the point where you almost can't root for them. The clones are great in military stories, but we all know that they're puppets. The Jedi now, well, this one story ALMOST made me think that what happened in Ep III was poetic justice.
He created General Grievous and worked on getting him to fit in the original Clone Wars series. There's even a mention of the original Clone Wars in Episode III's commentary track on why Grievous coughs the way he does, and now look where that series rests in the canon department.
Edwardowan said:
Well, if George Lucas didn't change his mind about everything, you might have some leverage. Unfortunately, Lucas is not just a man who changes his mind, he's not satisfied even with his own work that he had absolute control over. What kind of credential is that? Maybe he just threw out ideas? He did the same thing for the original Clone Wars.
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