KarlBud420
Sr Member
That was the best reply in this thread, bar none.
Thanks for making me laugh Jet Beetle. :lol
Bruce
Can I recast an AA Helmet ?
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That was the best reply in this thread, bar none.
Thanks for making me laugh Jet Beetle. :lol
Bruce
DrStranglove
Sr Member
The problem as I see it is that both threads seem to ask, "Well, what does the RPF have to say about it?"
It is easy to see that the RPF is the mother and father of most of our ways of viewing things. Whether we all agree or not with the individual answers that come out of the RPF, how this forum deals with problems is often held up to be the cannon of our little hobby. Maybe it is because of the RPF's position as the oldest and the largest Prop Forum there is, but I donÂ’t know. However, the RPF position as that lynch pin is clear.
Hence the question. Since it is being debated, and I am an onlooker to both of the debates, and I am interested in the question, I thought I would ask.
Amazingly enough, Street is the only one voicing displeasure bordering on physical pain it would seem at my asking the question.
Agreed.
I prefer a more direct approach. Go ahead and bite the bullet, buy the helmet, hydro-cast it up(hydrocal or hydrostone), vacuform about a dozen helmets, sell them at cost and see what happens. So far, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. Doc, I'll keep you updated.
Clutch
Master Member
Do two wrongs make a right? Would you do it only for financial gain? If AA stopped making helmets and never sold another one starting today, would it be ok then? If you recast his helmet, how do I know that you are not likely to recast other stuff? Recasters have sold out of production stuff and then turned around and used the profits to recast still in production stuff.
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
Same here I can't grasp the logic. On what grounds is it ok to recast AA?
As asked before can you answer why you should be allowed to recast AA? Because he isn't a member here? Because he isn't popular here? Because he has lied in the past?
If you give a reason why it would be cool then surely the staff can base their answer on your reason.
I think AA is a liar and a bit of a dick isn't really that great a reason to recast him
Is it?
Cheers Chris.
DrStranglove
Sr Member
Just FYI, I have never sold anything here for financial gain.
That said the other points are the best yet.
DrStranglove
Sr Member
Originally posted by JediCarl+Mar 27 2006, 11:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JediCarl @ Mar 27 2006, 11:11 PM)</div>
:lol
Hahahahahahahahaha....
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If you give a reason why it would be cool then surely the staff can base their answer on your reason.
I think AA is a liar and a bit of a dick isn't really that great a reason to recast himÂ
Is it?
Cheers Chris.
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In case no one caught it I am being rhetorical. I have no plans to produce anything at all. I am just soliciting opinions from my fellow members.
exoray
Master Member
There are recast items offered up almost every week in the junkyard and no one bats an eye at them... Vader? Fett? Han in Carbo? Bikerscout? Just to name a few...
IMO it all boils down to getting the swag, simple supply and demand, if the supply has run it's course or a "good enough" current replica doesn't exist the memberships turns a blind eye to the recasting to easily obtain the "quality" items...
DrStranglove
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Originally posted by voice in the crowd@Mar 27 2006, 11:08 PM
If you give a reason why it would be cool then surely the staff can base their answer on your reason.
I think AA is a liar and a bit of a dick isn't really that great a reason to recast himÂ
Is it?
Cheers Chris.
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In case no one caught it I am being rhetorical. I have no plans to produce anything at all. I am just soliciting opinions from my fellow members.
it just strikes me as an odd question. i felt the same way when i saw it on propcircle.
maybe its cause i view each board as a seperate entity, complete all by itself.
yea, the RPF is a big board, and its a fun place, but its not what runs the hobby.
i guess the best analogy i can think of is "if i know i cant shoplift at wal mart, i havent been told i cant shoplift at wal greens, or kmart. maybe ill go there and itll be ok.". thats just for the various boards wondering wtf goes on here.
for the recasting bit,
if i go strictly by the COC,
AA aint a member. recast all you want. however, since TE isnt a member anymore, should you recast his stuff and offer it up as well? MR is... sort of a member here. so no recasting of MR's stuff.
it boils down to respect moreso than anything else. the only other thing i can really imagine as "important" to it is that we get some "official" traffic through here. considering AA just went into court over this same issue with LFL, if you DID recast AAs helmets and offered em up you would be painting a big bullseye on your buttocks for the LFL guys to come peon smash you.
maybe it shouldnt be if you CAN, but if you SHOULD.
thats just me though
chris
maybe its cause i view each board as a seperate entity, complete all by itself.
yea, the RPF is a big board, and its a fun place, but its not what runs the hobby.
i guess the best analogy i can think of is "if i know i cant shoplift at wal mart, i havent been told i cant shoplift at wal greens, or kmart. maybe ill go there and itll be ok.". thats just for the various boards wondering wtf goes on here.
for the recasting bit,
if i go strictly by the COC,
AA aint a member. recast all you want. however, since TE isnt a member anymore, should you recast his stuff and offer it up as well? MR is... sort of a member here. so no recasting of MR's stuff.
it boils down to respect moreso than anything else. the only other thing i can really imagine as "important" to it is that we get some "official" traffic through here. considering AA just went into court over this same issue with LFL, if you DID recast AAs helmets and offered em up you would be painting a big bullseye on your buttocks for the LFL guys to come peon smash you.
maybe it shouldnt be if you CAN, but if you SHOULD.
thats just me though
chris
voice in the crowd
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Originally posted by DrStranglove+Mar 28 2006, 04:16 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DrStranglove @ Mar 28 2006, 04:16 AM)</div>@Mar 27 2006, 11:08 PM
If you give a reason why it would be cool then surely the staff can base their answer on your reason.
I think AA is a liar and a bit of a dick isn't really that great a reason to recast himÂ
Is it?
Cheers Chris.
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Yeah I understood that your question was theoretical. I never thought for a minute you intended to actually go through with it.
It is obvious from post 1 you are challenging flaws in the RPF COC and I just wondered what part of the recasting rules of the COC you are challenging?
Are there specifics you feel are wrong or are you just challenging the whole recasting part of the COC?
Cheers Chris.
DrStranglove
Sr Member
These two summed it up best what I feel is an inherant flaw in our system here. (Which is in a way my point.)
JoeR
Sr Member
I can see why Dr S started this thread.
The rules here just don't stand up to any in depth scrutiny.
Also how come Meatsocks can be sold regularly in the JY, and when Keith shows pics of a helmet that MAY be a copy of someone elses work everyone jumps on him?
There certainly seems to be a lack of consistency on this board.
Joe
The rules here just don't stand up to any in depth scrutiny.
Also how come Meatsocks can be sold regularly in the JY, and when Keith shows pics of a helmet that MAY be a copy of someone elses work everyone jumps on him?
There certainly seems to be a lack of consistency on this board.
Joe
JRX
Well-Known Member
... I see it that way :
Our hobby (or that of many here including me) is to collect Star Wars Helmets,
Weapons ... well all that Prop-stuff -
Without Re-Casters at some point hardly anyone of us would own anything.
Somewhere (with the good stuff) it all started with some guy at LFL making
a mold, sneaking it out, giving it to a friend or selling it, and from there on
that Casting made its way through many hands and molds and made a lot of us
very very happy -
We wouldn't have a lot of great Props if there wouldn't have been people who
took the risk to copy either some original stuff, or others who got a copy and
thought that more people should deserve to get a copy of "whatever".
I don't believe any Vader Fan would say "no" if he was offered for example a
copy of DJ's ANH Helmet - nobody would call him a re-caster - no way, instead
everybody would stand in line, drooling to get a copy of his Helmet - that's how
it would be.
Not everybody has the $$$ to get the SDS Helmets, and soon they'll be no longer
available I believe ... sad for those who really wanted one ...
If a Helmet is no longer produced by the original maker, or it is so damn limited
that only 10 or 15 people in the world have one (like the Elstree ROTJ Helmet)
I don't really have a problem with people who make (good) copys available.
But if the Helmet is still available (and halfways easy to access) from its original
(or best known as that) source, I see the problem and the conflikt - that's were
re-casting sucks - like when someone copys Howards great Headsculpts even
though he is still selling them.
I believe the "Motives" often play a big role in that whole re-casting thing.
There are people that don't only do it for the money, but also because they
want to share their own treasures with others ...
So ... can you re-cast AA's Helmets ??? ... when he's out of business and nobody
can get them anymore, why not (legal stuff totally aside here) ???
Our hobby (or that of many here including me) is to collect Star Wars Helmets,
Weapons ... well all that Prop-stuff -
Without Re-Casters at some point hardly anyone of us would own anything.
Somewhere (with the good stuff) it all started with some guy at LFL making
a mold, sneaking it out, giving it to a friend or selling it, and from there on
that Casting made its way through many hands and molds and made a lot of us
very very happy -
We wouldn't have a lot of great Props if there wouldn't have been people who
took the risk to copy either some original stuff, or others who got a copy and
thought that more people should deserve to get a copy of "whatever".
I don't believe any Vader Fan would say "no" if he was offered for example a
copy of DJ's ANH Helmet - nobody would call him a re-caster - no way, instead
everybody would stand in line, drooling to get a copy of his Helmet - that's how
it would be.
Not everybody has the $$$ to get the SDS Helmets, and soon they'll be no longer
available I believe ... sad for those who really wanted one ...
If a Helmet is no longer produced by the original maker, or it is so damn limited
that only 10 or 15 people in the world have one (like the Elstree ROTJ Helmet)
I don't really have a problem with people who make (good) copys available.
But if the Helmet is still available (and halfways easy to access) from its original
(or best known as that) source, I see the problem and the conflikt - that's were
re-casting sucks - like when someone copys Howards great Headsculpts even
though he is still selling them.
I believe the "Motives" often play a big role in that whole re-casting thing.
There are people that don't only do it for the money, but also because they
want to share their own treasures with others ...
So ... can you re-cast AA's Helmets ??? ... when he's out of business and nobody
can get them anymore, why not (legal stuff totally aside here) ???
AnsonJames
Sr Member
It would be great to get a nice copy of the prototype helmet - shame AA got rid of the serrated tube though. :lol
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
Is this the start of another Battlezone/Prop Ed/T4BB "lets try to cause trouble at the RPF, and hassle the mods" periods like last year?
I suspect the next topic will be "Bring back Jhyphen - He's innocent."
:lol :lol :lol
Cheers
Jez
Darth Domain
Well-Known Member
Just wondering, when Rubies have stopped production of their supreme edition lid, can i recast it (in a modified form of course).
I'm confused as to what the rules are with the R word
I'm confused as to what the rules are with the R word
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