Buyer beware DavetheDane

So I need a new chest piece in Hi sheen........and a front belt piece:lol No seriously.
 
defstartrooper said:
To be fair Gino at least as far as i've ever read it he doesn't claim he has the sole rights to produce trooper helmets or armour, what he does claim is he and his partner paid for the moulds and the rights to use those moulds, he made a deal with TE for those moulds with the understanding that no other copies of those moulds were made or anyone else including TE would produce armour or helmets that derive from those moulds.
TE sold parts and casting rights to GF at the same time who was also under the impression he had sole rights to reproduce them.
Gino and GF discussed this amongst themselves after the fact and made an agreement they would both carry on producing stuff,GF later sold onto AP.

Now it seems to me that some people think Gino lays claim to all things stormtrooper but he's not he's laying claim to trooper stuff that derives from that source, a source he paid for sole casting rights to, and he has every right to be pissed that,copies from that source were made and remade and sold and resold as would anyone else here.
Hell he's not even pissed at the people that bought those copies he has no issue with GF,AP,TE2 his issue is with the person that sold those copies TE.

I tend to find myself disagreeing with Gino on more than a few things but on this i can't fault him, and i defy anyone here to say they would not be angry if they were in his shoes on this subject.
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Ya know.. That is a good write up, and I too agree with it. The only shame here is that Gino goes a little to far from time to time, thinking all Stormtrooper parts are form this source. Many yes, not all.
 
This was a VERY informative read. Reminds me of some of the stuff that happened back in the mid-late 90's.
 
So let me get this straight: Someone left their armor molds in someone elses car trunk, and the car got stolen. Then someone sold the car to a third guy, but the molds were recast on the way by the second guy's third cousin's evil twin, before a fourth guy who had bought the molding rights to them. Then a fifth guy had the car recast.

I'm confused ... :wacko

And where in all of this does PirateTrooper fit in?
 
I don't pretend to be a Trooper guy but I have read enough on this whole matter to say, nothing Matt has said has convinced me on any forum regarding this past deal. This has gone round and round and it seems both parties and their fans on either side are having the same re-hash, it's like the one who mentions it the most is heard the most for it to intergrain in our minds.

I'm a neutral as far as I'm concerened and have refrained from posting on this matter before now. I have read enough rants from TE to know his version of events is flawed. Both Gino and Matt are not saints as the majority know so I'm not having any of that whiter then white BS, but I side with Gino on this one. Not because he comes across as more intelligent, not because he posts on this matter with more clarity maintaining more dignity but it is because of Matt's failure to convince IMO. I would guess 75% across the board would be in Gino's favour regarding this matter.
 
BingoBongo275 said:
I think I'm imparital here since both guys hate me :lol

However my point to the post is still valid, the crux of which was....

1) One person's been selling the same dodgy rights to a multitude of people, most of whom have in good faith paid him good money for.

2) Another person believes that its actually HE who owns the rights since his mate (huh?) was the first to be scammed, sorry "sold the moulds and rights".

I have to say that anyone new entering this hobby and reading this is just going to think "WTF!" :wacko

Cheers

Jez
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Sorry to quote myself but it still applies. I'm certainly not defending nor agreeing with TE's version of events -as you can see

What I am saying is Gino is wrong to suggest that he is the only "legitimate" maker of helmets and armour from the TE moulds - and that everyone else like AP TE2 etc. are effectly recasters

So this is not Gino's word against TE, but Gino's word against all the other "legitimate" makers like TE2 and AP. Ive never seen anything to suggest that Gino owns anything.

He openly admits to paying nothing, and cant produce any form of documented evidence to back up his "ownership". Thats why I don't believe it.

My issue all along has been Gino pointing the finger at other legitimate makers and trying to label them as recasters.

Cheers

Jez
 
So people here are mad that someone recast Stormtrooper armor that was recast from the original ROTJ costume that Cameron O. had. So everyone here has basically recast legal rights to Lucas Films. Kettle Black.
 
mattiza said:
So people here are mad that someone recast Stormtrooper armor that was recast from the original ROTJ costume that Cameron O. had. So everyone here has basically recast legal rights to Lucas Films. Kettle Black.
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*Yawnathon*

Nobody on this forum (with a very few exceptions) has any legal rights to make any replica props, not sure if ya noticed that small detail in the 7 years you've been a member.
Legal rights aint the issue.
 
Some of the responces ( here and on other boards ) to PT recasting TE2 are a bit confusing..


.my head hurts...

so..wait..

re-cast TE = good, screw that guy!

re-cast GINO= good, double screw that guy!

re-cast TE2= hold up..now you crossed a line!!
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AND..getting permission to cast AFTER you already re-cast something? ( RT, CAP..etc..) WTF? So I can go shoplift a TV and then go pay for it later and it's all good? Cool!
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..I used to be pissed at all the Vader secrets..seeing what a mess the trooperworld is makes me glad Vader is so secret..I guess it boils down to TE double dipping and muddying the waters so much it is such a mess to figure out it becomes a free for all...

"So everyone here has basically recast legal rights to Lucas Films. Kettle Black."

Perhaps that argument would fly here:

http://www.501st.com/
 
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defstartrooper said:
*Yawnathon*

Nobody on this forum (with a very few exceptions) has any legal rights to make any replica props, not sure if ya noticed that small detail in the 7 years you've been a member.
Legal rights aint the issue.
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Is an issue.
You get angry when someone recasts what you have recast.
So, you have no real right to be angry over stuff you recast yourself.
Legal or no legal right. Your still recasting.
 
lordvader74 said:
If you're so down on the 501st, why are you a member?

Just asking.
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Honestly,


because I can't sell the last of my costuming stuff on thier boards if I am not still a member..once it's gone so am I...

thanks for asking!:thumbsup
 
If something is sculpted a creative peice of art and directly recast it to finacial gain from it its not good at all.

However if someone got a cast of an original prop then this peiece got recast... This is were the trouble comes. Who recast who..


Then.....
If someone restored and used allot of time and money to bring back an original peice to its original state then someone recast it i dont think its cool at all.


However when it comes to variouse vendors claiming their suit is direct cast of original but call it their own.. Then again thats were trouble comes claiming rights. If its direct of an original licenced peice then its the same for the person to recast the original licenced peice as it is of recasting the person who recast the original peice in the first place. It comes from the same licence holder.


Like Obiwan said to Han Solo in Millenium Falcon:
Who is the fool. The fool or the fool who follows the fool?
 
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