Building the Falcon
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PHArchivist
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A sneak peek...
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
I wish I had the patience and talent you guys have... and also the money to buy this beautiful kit before they are all gone... LOVE the 1:72 scale... though... would really love for someone talented to finish it up for me... instead of it just sitting in the box on my shelf... :cry
Absolutely stunning progress.
Absolutely stunning progress.
Man they look fantastic guys.. This thread was the final catalyst to get my Ertl/falconkits Falcon finished........it only sat in my basement for 10 years :lol
The differences are staggering in the accuracy between the two (finemolds/Ertl)...and that's from just what I can see in pics. Painting my Ertl was a pain because of its inaccuracy too....panels in the wrong place and everything.
You guys really, REALLY, REALLY knocked the fine molds kit out of the park with all the add ons.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Steve
The differences are staggering in the accuracy between the two (finemolds/Ertl)...and that's from just what I can see in pics. Painting my Ertl was a pain because of its inaccuracy too....panels in the wrong place and everything.
You guys really, REALLY, REALLY knocked the fine molds kit out of the park with all the add ons.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Steve
I was only kidding about deleting the blog checking to see who's paying attention. When it's all done I'll make a permanent copy available on my website in chronological order.
NoHumorMan- there's a FM kit for sale in the Junkyard (not sure if it's still there as I type this)
DL 44- You rock. Thanks for the compliment. There's a world of difference between the ERTL and FM for many reasons. The most important being that the ERTL is based off the 5' model and the FM off the 3'.
checking to see who's paying attention. When it's all done I'll make a permanent copy available on my website in chronological order.NoHumorMan- there's a FM kit for sale in the Junkyard (not sure if it's still there as I type this)
DL 44- You rock. Thanks for the compliment. There's a world of difference between the ERTL and FM for many reasons. The most important being that the ERTL is based off the 5' model and the FM off the 3'.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(QuartZ @ Oct 10 2006, 04:13 AM) [snapback]1335068[/snapback]</div>
Thanks. But having zero $$$ makes it difficult to buy anything. Keep up the good work... highly enjoyable and awe-inspiring. :thumbsup
PHArchivist
Master Member
A little more eye candy...
I've since enhanced the weathering to better match the original, and the cockpit tub is not permanently attached, so is thus off-skew in the pic. Additionally, the ribbed strip encircling the tunnel (which is NOT ribbed on the original model. :angry) is now closer to the light grey of the original. Finally, inspired by QuartZ, I added teh rectangle-shaped greeblie below the circle.
Mine, QuartZ's, and the original...
I've since enhanced the weathering to better match the original, and the cockpit tub is not permanently attached, so is thus off-skew in the pic. Additionally, the ribbed strip encircling the tunnel (which is NOT ribbed on the original model. :angry) is now closer to the light grey of the original. Finally, inspired by QuartZ, I added teh rectangle-shaped greeblie below the circle.
Mine, QuartZ's, and the original...
STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Fantastic work. Man, I soooo want to get startd on my FM Falcon. It won't happen in a looooong time though, lots of comission work that I need to take care of plus a couple of SS builds.
Are you guys planning to add lights to your builds? If so how are you coing to tackle the engine, so far I've seen a lot of EL engines done but they all look to dimm IMO.
Cheers,
Steve.
Are you guys planning to add lights to your builds? If so how are you coing to tackle the engine, so far I've seen a lot of EL engines done but they all look to dimm IMO.
Cheers,
Steve.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Steve, we will be adding lights, but QuartZ is more on top of that...
Here's an updated shot of the underside of my cockpit
Here's an updated shot of the underside of my cockpit
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I'm curious as to why you think there isn't a ribbed strip that encircles the Falcon cockpit? There most definitely is on the 32" model. It's composed of three inlaid pieces. To be sure, the detail is a somewhat different and more sutble than that on the FM model, but it's there.
Barry
Additionally, the ribbed strip encircling the tunnel (which is NOT ribbed on the original model. ) is now closer to the light grey of the original.
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I'm curious as to why you think there isn't a ribbed strip that encircles the Falcon cockpit? There most definitely is on the 32" model. It's composed of three inlaid pieces. To be sure, the detail is a somewhat different and more sutble than that on the FM model, but it's there.
Barry
PHArchivist
Master Member
Perhaps I should have consulted the Master first (Master Replicas, that is.).
Regrettably, albeit understandably, I am limited to photographs only. And by what is evident in all but the very best reference photos, the area appears smooth, and not to ribbed.
However you, I, and everyone know the limitations of photography. And MR (if I'm not mistaken) had direct access to the original model.
Alas in the end you are correct -- it is ribbed; very finely so. As the ribbing on the ILM model (at least in photos) is barely visible, I would conclude that it would be almost entirely lost in 1/72 scale. The scale of ribbing on the FM model is probably too large even for the MR model.
I'm fairly confident you would agree, at least based on photos. How does it look in person?
To me, it almost appears as if there is a clear or semi-translucent strip of plastic over the ribbing on the original. Perhaps a way to improve the FM kit...?
Regrettably, albeit understandably, I am limited to photographs only. And by what is evident in all but the very best reference photos, the area appears smooth, and not to ribbed.
However you, I, and everyone know the limitations of photography. And MR (if I'm not mistaken) had direct access to the original model.
Alas in the end you are correct -- it is ribbed; very finely so. As the ribbing on the ILM model (at least in photos) is barely visible, I would conclude that it would be almost entirely lost in 1/72 scale. The scale of ribbing on the FM model is probably too large even for the MR model.
I'm fairly confident you would agree, at least based on photos. How does it look in person?
To me, it almost appears as if there is a clear or semi-translucent strip of plastic over the ribbing on the original. Perhaps a way to improve the FM kit...?
The detail and improvements you guys have accomplished on this already phoenomenal kit is simply rediculous. :love
Steve
Steve
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The ribbing is definitely there. It does seem to disappear in some of the ref. pics you posted, but that might be down to the limitations of the lighting and film grain? I can't say for sure, but I know how deceiving photographs can be.
You're quite right about the overscaled treatment it received on the FM Falcon, but honestly what you guys have done with your kits isn't diminished one iota if you leave the ribbing as it. Your paint job has taken care of any glaring discrepancy. You should both be extremely proud. I'm gobsmaked at your patience and skill adapting what was already a very fine kit.
As for how noticeable the ribbing is? I've lived with the MR Falcon for so long this year that I'm acutely aware of this feature so I think it's very noticeable. I was happy that FM included it, even if they missed one important detail of it.
Barry
Perhaps I should have consulted the Master first (Master Replicas, that is.).
Regrettably, albeit understandably, I am limited to photographs only. And by what is evident in all but the very best reference photos, the area appears smooth, and not to ribbed.
However you, I, and everyone know the limitations of photography. And MR (if I'm not mistaken) had direct access to the original model.
Alas in the end you are correct -- it is ribbed; very finely so. As the ribbing on the ILM model (at least in photos) is barely visible, I would conclude that it would be almost entirely lost in 1/72 scale. The scale of ribbing on the FM model is probably too large even for the MR model.
I'm fairly confident you would agree, at least based on photos. How does it look in person?
To me, it almost appears as if there is a clear or semi-translucent strip of plastic over the ribbing on the original. Perhaps a way to improve the FM kit...?
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The ribbing is definitely there. It does seem to disappear in some of the ref. pics you posted, but that might be down to the limitations of the lighting and film grain? I can't say for sure, but I know how deceiving photographs can be.
You're quite right about the overscaled treatment it received on the FM Falcon, but honestly what you guys have done with your kits isn't diminished one iota if you leave the ribbing as it. Your paint job has taken care of any glaring discrepancy. You should both be extremely proud. I'm gobsmaked at your patience and skill adapting what was already a very fine kit.
As for how noticeable the ribbing is? I've lived with the MR Falcon for so long this year that I'm acutely aware of this feature so I think it's very noticeable. I was happy that FM included it, even if they missed one important detail of it.
Barry
PHArchivist
Master Member
Cool, Barry -- thanks for the response (and the comps).
Quick question: On the original, the center 60% (of the width) of the ribbed band is a lighter color, and appears like it may be another piece of plastic laid over the ribbing -- are you able to expand (or erxpound) on this?
I told Q that I may experiment with laying a clear strip of styrene over the ribbing.
But ultimately, I think you're right, in the grand scheme of things, the FM ribbing scale doesn't detract too much, especially when it is properly weathered.
When modeling, I need to remind myself to occasionally step back and take in the project as a whole, rather than focusing on the (fairly) minute detail of the particular day. Gestalt psychology -- the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Quick question: On the original, the center 60% (of the width) of the ribbed band is a lighter color, and appears like it may be another piece of plastic laid over the ribbing -- are you able to expand (or erxpound) on this?
I told Q that I may experiment with laying a clear strip of styrene over the ribbing.
But ultimately, I think you're right, in the grand scheme of things, the FM ribbing scale doesn't detract too much, especially when it is properly weathered.
When modeling, I need to remind myself to occasionally step back and take in the project as a whole, rather than focusing on the (fairly) minute detail of the particular day. Gestalt psychology -- the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Speaking of the project as a whole, here are some updates.
The ribbing appears to be pieces of rubber tank track laid between the surrounding raised collars. The "missing" detail on the FM piece are two raised ridges that run parallel with the sides of the collar just in from the edge of the collars.
I'll post a pic later to show what I've decribed.
Barry
I'll post a pic later to show what I've decribed.
Barry
