BTTF2 - Marty's 2015 Jacket

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  1. Atarian

    Atarian Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    After numerous attempts (you guys have probably all seen my threads here), I have found someone that may be interested in making this jacket. But in order to do so, we need all the info on the jacket that is available. Also, if anyone else is interested in possibly picking one up when and if they are made, we would need to know, because if it does get made, it wouldn't be a one piece deal, there would have to be a certain ammount of interest in the piece first.

    If anyone has info please PLEASE speak up [​IMG]

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  2. Studio Stasis

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    I got to see Jim Lattas BTTF2 marty jacket about ten years ago. It broke my heart to see the orange rubber material cracked and torn in areas. I dont think it was taken care of. It may have been tossed in a box too many times but it appeared to be fairly fragile. It would be awesome to see a replica of these though.
     
  3. LZeitgeist

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    I'm interested, pending more details as they become available (price, etc.)...
     
  4. kapow

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    Anyone ever find a close pattern for the orange material? I know we had talked earlier about it being close to the texture of those non-slip mats you can buy...
     
  5. DAVIDYR1

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    Anyone ever find a close pattern for the orange material? I know we had talked earlier about it being close to the texture of those non-slip mats you can buy...
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    I'm working on it....[​IMG]

    David
     
  6. kapow

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    And for the arms, I think this air duct material might come in handy! [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Atarian

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    Ive been in contact with all the major rubber mat and sheet dealers. and even spoke with some EVA foam manufacturers (i saw some foam with a similar pattern) and nobody has any leads. I'm hoping David can come up with something.

    I do have enough of the correct material to make a 2015 hat. I just need someone that can do it for me [​IMG]
     
  8. Ketzer.com

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  9. Funky

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    It was my understanding that SEVERAL years ago Universal Studios offered a replica of these jackets for a very limited time. I'm spoken to many reliable sources that say this is true though I have yet to find proof of this myself.
     
  10. Atarian

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    I know about that hat, but I need dead on accuracy, I think it's some kind of obsessive compulsive thing I have, lol.

    The things I dont like about that hat:

    Material looks too dark
    Has that button thing on top
    Holes all around it
    Not Fitted
     
  11. maniacman7

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    if you makes this happen color me VERY interested.

    Lance
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  12. Atarian

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    *el bumpo*
     
  13. DAVIDYR1

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    I've been researching this fabric or the possibility of having it made since speaking to Creamedgeezer about a week ago.
    Since then I've been on the phone with dozens of different manufactures of rubber like materials and fabrics all over the world and unfortunately nothing yet.

    Several are confident that they can faithfully reproduce it while others believe to have similar items in their older catalogues. I'm waiting to see what similar really means....[​IMG]

    Either way...this jacket is now in my blood...so, I gotta have it....which means I'm working on it. It's not a difficult pattern to make, the actual jacket that is but getting this fabric is proving difficult....if I get 'it' or something similar...I'll post pics and we can all discuss it.

    It all hangs on the red rubber pattern now...I find that and this Jacket is as good as done!
    If anyone has any leads or suggestions please let us know.

    *...once I get the jacket made I'll need one of those Delorian time machines to go with it.......[​IMG]

    David
     
  14. GuntahKela

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    I got the chance to see some of the screen-used jackets about 3 years ago. They were falling appart. Whatever material they were made off, it would be a mistake to use it again.
     
  15. Atarian

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    David, you are my hero!
     
  16. BAlinger15

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    GK-

    Curious where you saw the screen used jackets?

    -Brandon
     
  17. DAVIDYR1

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    I got the chance to see some of the screen-used jackets about 3 years ago. They were falling appart. Whatever material they were made off, it would be a mistake to use it again.
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    I dont know.....maybe, maybe not.
    A few things to consider though.....

    We in the prop community strive for several things....accuracy and quality first and foremost. We're all collectors and understand the value of whatever prop it is we hold dear to our hearts. We know how to display, wear and maintain our items in ways that those in the film industry 'sometimes' do not....for whatever reason.
    How many screen used pieces have rotted away because they were displayed in storefront windows??

    Bottom line is this......let's see FIRST if we can find the original rubber/fabric. Then we can discuss and analize it to death. No one, not me or anyone else wants an accurate Jacket that will fall apart but the few jackets that have been seen in person IN MY OPINION were probably just never cared for properly once filming was over. We all know how screen used pieces need to be cared for....whatever they may be.
    Clothing is no different....treat it with respect and it'll last a long time.

    Let's see if we get lucky and find the very fabric......it's a long shot but worth the phone calls I think. If not, let's see what today's technology and repro artists and chemists in the laboratories can whip up to copy this design.

    I think that we'll definately get something very close. Let me start collecting sample pieces of fabric. As they arrive I'll post them up for you all to see and criticize...then we'll toss around ideas and suggestions on how to get it better, stronger....faster........Ooooop's wrong show. [​IMG]

    David
     
  18. GuntahKela

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    BAlinger15 wrote:
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    Curious where you saw the screen used jackets?

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    About 2 or 3 years ago, Jeff Castillo and the guy who runs screenused.com displayed their collections at the annual FX show in Orlando, Fl. They even brought the 2015 taxi cab.

    They had 1 or 2, heavily cared for, falling apart jackets. All of their items are displayed and maintained in very expensive cases. Heck, the wall-sized shadowbox where they displayed their hooverboards was worth 10 grands alone.

    They said they don't even want to touch or even wear their 2015 jackets to avoid doing any further damage. Like most props and costumes, these jackets were made for the movie and not to last.
     
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    They said they don't even want to touch or even wear their 2015 jackets to avoid doing any further damage. Like most props and costumes, these jackets were made for the movie and not to last.
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    Yea, I forgot to mention that too. Screen used props are meant to look good on film....that's all. Very good point!!!

    It's good to know that they were taken care of though. Too bad they still fell apart.
    I hope that today...what, 15,20 years later technology has improved to the point of making these things to last.

    DAvid
     
  20. Wayne R.

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    I was in some discount clothing place in November last year and saw some jackets by Schott. The first thing I thought when I saw them was Marty's jacket.
    Colours were wrong, but the texture seemed close.
     
  21. DAVIDYR1

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    Quick update here...

    Still working on the rubberized fabric.
    No one carries this exact pattern that I've been able to find but I am now waiting on a quote from a manufacturer that is considering replicating it.

    This is what I've sent around for reference. creamedgeezer whatever you do dont delete your folder....those pics are exactly what I'll need to do this accurately. Thanks for the links!

    [​IMG]

    So...
    Still working on it.....but no real concrete updates just yet.
    Just wanted you guys to know I havent forgotten about this...but it's definately my most challenging to date getting the proper materials wise...[​IMG]

    David
     
  22. Jack Bauer

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    [​IMG]

    NICE refrence folder. DO NOT delete it!!! I am starting to think we are going the wrong way with looking for a fabric to match this jacket. i am starting to think we need to look at Rubber Flooring material. I don't think it is a fabric. I think it is a material NOT used for clothes but industrial products like rubber mats. Just a thought.

    I think the black/grey material like on that pocket pic is the background material the diamond "studs" are attached. look at this pic... it is not brick red diamonds sewn onto a grey material, I believe it is a diamond pattern "ending" at the grey amterial. the edges of the pockets are PART of the rest, NOT sewn on....

    [​IMG]
    thanks to http://imageshack.us/ for the pic hosting

    if we can figger this thing out, I am SOOOOO game to by one.
     
  23. DAVIDYR1

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    At first I too believed that the grey material was what the red rubber is printed onto but I no longer think so.

    The grey material is much too thick and seems very rigid where as the red rubber is printed onto something that allows it to flow nicely and bend like fabric. Just look at the chest....still mine is only a guess and with the help of your image it certainly brings attention to this detail.

    Typically when rubberized fabrics are made they coat an existing cotton fabric so that the rubber holds strong and wont rip...all the while retaining it's natural qualities. I think...and I say again 'I THINK' that the grey areas are another fabric entirely.
    The Red rubber is printed onto a grey cotton so you see it through the red diamonds....
    The red rubber for the pocket is glued and sewn onto a grey patch that is slightly bigger than the red...that's why we see the grey stick out.

    However...

    At this point we're still trying to figure this all out....why did they have to use a fabric like this?????? Couldnt they have used something easier to replicate darnit!

    David
     
  24. Jack Bauer

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    you make aGREAT point. I am still hooked on the fact that they didn't find a normal fabric used on clothes for this. I feel they "stumbled" onto some amazing (yet weak) material not use dfor clothes touse for the jacket. the screen used stuff is falling apart because it is not made for that.

    at this point, I am almost convinced they took a grey amterial, put a diamond mesh over it, sprayed layer upon layer of rubber over it, and pulle dthe mesh away. Voila, your material. I just don't think this is a material used for clothes.
     
  25. Atarian

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    I have contacted every rubber mat and sheet manufacturer i can find, and all are stumped.
     
  26. GuntahKela

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    you make aGREAT point. I am still hooked on the fact that they didn't find a normal fabric used on clothes for this. I feel they "stumbled" onto some amazing (yet weak) material not use dfor clothes touse for the jacket. the screen used stuff is falling apart because it is not made for that.

    at this point, I am almost convinced they took a grey amterial, put a diamond mesh over it, sprayed layer upon layer of rubber over it, and pulle dthe mesh away. Voila, your material. I just don't think this is a material used for clothes.
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    Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth. I also think they used this material for its "jacket fabric from the future" apearance. Since the jackets were not made to last, there was nothing holding the production back from using a material that was not meant to be worn.
     
  27. LZeitgeist

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    Yeah, the orange dots are created on some sort of thin, flexible backing layer, which is separate from the thicker solid grey material. Looks unmistakeable to me.

    On the pocket, the orange dot/backing material layer is cut slightly smaller than the solid grey layer to expose some of the grey for contrast. The orange dots aren't imprinted onto the thicker solid grey layer.

    The closest thing I've encountered in my life to the orange dot material is the soft rubber mechanics' tool box drawer liner material, but the stuff I've seen is more like a checkerboard with openings all the way through where the 'white squares' would be, and I've never seen it in any color besides black. It's not created like these closely-spaced orange dots.
     
  28. DAVIDYR1

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    OK....

    Followed up on all my leads for the rubber fabric and I've hit a dead end...[​IMG]

    The one supplier who would make it makes rubberized fabrics for Todd's shoes and they asked a minimum of 400 meters at approx $40.00 a meter...plus set up fee's, you do the math....

    Each jacket will have approx 1.20 meters of red rubber so I'd have to stock a heck of a lot of rubberized material.

    This is a shame....but I dont want to give up on this. Let's keep digging and see if we cant figure out a suitable alternative.

    I hate being beaten...and I hate not being able to do something so let's keep searching.
    The grey'sh material on the jacket is no big deal at all so it all boils down to the red rubber...

    RED RUBBER RED RUBBER RED RUM RED RUM.....


    David

    David
     
  29. Beeb89

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    I have been following this thread as I really love these jackets and wouldn't mind having one. [​IMG]

    I wonder in regards to replicating this and assuming the people that want one would be wearing it and not just displaying it, (I know I'd like to wear it!), I would think you might sacrifice "exact screen used accuracy" in favor of having something that would last. With that thought, I would be concerned about using rubber as that is going to wear out or crack with extended wear.

    David, I know you do a LOT with leather, is there anything from that aspect that might be a suitable substitute? Maybe a "man made" pleather type? I would think it would last a lot longer and be more durable as well.

    Just a thought. [​IMG]
    -B89! [​IMG]
     
  30. DAVIDYR1

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    That's a great idea I think.

    What do the rest of you guys think?
    It might open some new possibilities....I sure didnt think of this.

    David
     
  31. Atarian

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    As long as it looks like the real deal I think I'd be happy.

    (but I would prefer some kind of rubber)
     
  32. GuntahKela

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    Is there a way the original movie jacket makers can be tracked down? Someone here must know someone who can lead us to someone who knows. Someone check the credits at the end of BTTF2.
     
  33. Atarian

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    What about the material basketballs are made from?
     
  35. Peace Hunter

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    The red stuff looks just like the stuff I used to line my kitchen drawers. I think I bought the stuff at Walmart.

    Robert
     
  36. Atarian

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    el bumpo.

    I still think this could work.
     
  37. Atarian

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    Anyone else have any ideas?

    (bump, btw)
     
  38. Jack Bauer

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    Jeff,
    I had that photo of yours of the pocket as my computer wallpaper for about a week not too long ago just to burn it into my skull.

    I am starting to think they made this material. This isn't something you can just buy.

    I too thought of the idea of using the Plastic part that covers the lights in an office building. Using it as a mold for orange rubber. I tried this but did not have a good rubber. I just used the rubber that comes in a can that you dip you tool's handles into. Called grip it or something. I used the black paper they use for roofing or shingling. Poored the rubber, let it dry about 5 minutes, put the paper over it, put a heavy book on top of that.

    It was at this point I realized I forgot to put any kind of release agent onto the plastic first.

    So this project never got done.



    [​IMG]
     
  39. DAVIDYR1

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    I too believe they made this stuff exclusively for the film jacket.
    Still...you're really onto something there...certainly more than I've found. Pretty cool what you came up with.

    I'm wondering if just making a leather print along with tinting and staining the skins appropriately would be sufficient at this point.

    David
     
  40. Atarian

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    Wow, very cool, i think we are getting close.

    And David. As long as it looks the part, I'll take anything :D

    I'm all excited again, hehe.
     
  41. Jack Bauer

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    as mentioned before we want to make these things wearable without falling apart like the screen used ones. So my idea I tried may not be the best idea. Just trying to figure out how the prop guys (or wardrobe) did it.
     
  42. JediHomer

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    and, doing just that.

    don't know where this project stands, but, i just got off the phone with a vendor that asked me if i'd like to buy a bttf2 jacket.

    prototype is being worked on... i've provided them a link to the this site but, wouldn't mind putting creamedgeezer and david intouch with them directly if you guys are interested.

    they even tossed some numbers at me on cost and it didn't seem too bad to me.


    geezer/david.......... pm me if interested.

    pat.
     
  43. Jack Bauer

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    PM sent.

    I am still convinced about the office light covers. use dark grey rubber using the light cover as the mold. and I have a feeling the orange is painted on. Once I get some more free time I am going to test this theory.
     
  44. Atarian

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    PM sent. Thanks for keeping me in mind.
     
  45. LZeitgeist

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    I remain interested.
     
  46. JediHomer

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    after receiving multiple private messages... just to clarify guys...

    i sent jeff all the information since he was the guy that started this research thread. i didn't want to just come in here and post the information from right under his feet.

    i figured, i'd let him post and share the information with everyone else who has been putting info in here (i thought there would've been a post by this morning from him). my intent was for him/david to try and contact these guys (maybe even become a point of distribution on the board). i don't know how far the prototype is but figured, if it wasn't too close to being completed, the jacket might benefit from all the research done here... i don't know how movie accurate this vendor is aiming towards either, but, they are moving forward with making it and it's being made so it can be worn.

    jeff... not sure at this point what your thoughts are regarding my pm to you or if you've taken any steps suggested above.


    patrick.
     
  47. Notorious

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    hope this jacket comes through, bttf is one of my favorite movies of all time. i'm glad people are keeping this alive and trying to figure out a solution. keep up the good work
     
  48. Atarian

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    el bumpo.

    If the company that is doing those hats is making the jacket, I'm guessing accuracy isn't their #1 concern. Still can't wait to see a completed piece though.
     
  49. Studio Stasis

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    Hey JB, The one thing I do remember about the screen used jacket that we had on the set is that the cracked orange areas were orange all the way through. It didn't appear that the material had a surface coating or paint, but that the material was some kind of orange rubber. I'd get a pic of this if I could but I lost contact with Jim Latta years ago when everyone else did. I believe the jacket belonged to Roger Sides but I'm not certain. This was in 94 when I saw it so im sure it wasnt a reproduction either. I hope that info helps.

    Josh
     
  50. Jack Bauer

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    AH then maybe it is all orange rubber and then they put a black or grey paint through all the craks and rubb it off of the surface bumps.




    [​IMG]
     

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