Limited Run Breaking Bad WALTER WHITE GLASSES by Magnoli Clothiers

[Westies14]

Is there a lighter, more neutral version of chip Y267? I think this is a pretty accurate/balanced color representation on the underside of this arm:



As for the frames, I think they usually appear more bronze/copper in color than this light yellow/gold.

Thoughts?

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Good frame color reference:

 

[Indy Magnoli]

On it.

 

[J EM]

Going through the series looking for any interesting reference and found some images I thought worth sharing! It can be difficult to call a shot "straight on" due to the frame's warp - sometimes we're looking straight down the barrel of one arm while the other is clearly at an angle. Still, there's a lot to consider in Walt's opening confessional video as he's mostly looking straight into the lens for a long time, and you can get a look at the lens shape at many different vertical angles in a row. Here are a few where the arms read mostly straight, particularly that right (his left eye) lens we've been tracing:


And this one is actually angled UP slightly more than usual, as we can see the bottom of the arm on the right - the right side of that same lens still looks quite rounded:


This is when we return to the opening scene at the end of the pilot:


The shape will change by the tilt or turn of Walt's head, by different focal lengths on the camera's lens, by the distance between the frames and the camera. One thing I'm not sure we considered (or even need to consider) when looking at the main poster image is compensation for the inherent tilt of the frames, the angle at which the arms sit in relation to the front-facing profile. How steep is that angle?

I'm not sure what program you're working in, but let me know if you think this is something you (or @Indy Magnoli?) could use if I did this in illusrtator:

If potentially useful/usable, I'd be very willing to go through the series, promo images and the auction pair's images to grab as many clean, useful, straight-on looks at the lens shape as I can find. I'd trace both right and left lenses, giving us dozens of independently-created profiles for each side, flip the right lens outlines to match the left, and finally find the average/median path of all the profiles overlaid. I think this would give us our best possible chance at resolving their subtle and unique shape without having a genuine pair on hand. J EM or Indy could take this profile and apply the measurements J EM's determined from research of optometry standards and his Aden glasses' features before locking in a final design for manufacturing.

If this would be welcome and useful, just say the word! If not, I'll be quite happy buying a few pairs that look like J EM's last drawing.

So excited for this. I hope I'm not dragging down anyone else's enthusiasm (especially you, J EM - I appreciate your work here more than I can express!). Can't wait to see these become a reality!!!

It may still be flawed but working from a smaller image was better because the pixels on the edge of Walt's frame are a lot darker; we can more visibly see what is Walt's skin and what's the frame. You did end up liking the shape I got from it better than what I was doing before, eh? lol

Anyway, I've thought over everything that could be contributing to the shape not looking right. Regardless of the whether Walt has his head tilted or turned to the side, it all comes down to one thing. The frame's bend. Edit: This would not actually be necessary.

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It would have been best to 3d model the frame with a 53x43mm box, arc/curve it by 2.78%/5degrees and then begin drawing out the shape of Walt's frame (using the season 1 poster). From the front view, the box would appear rectangular and the shape would be drawn on it, but from the top view (looking at the edge from the top) the box would be bent. I don't know how else to describe it. It may be the only way to get it right and properly address all of the things you're noticing that change the appearance of the shape as Walt has his head turned or tilted. This may even be doable by hand using a printed out image of Walt's head and transparent film.

this is how I'm trying to describe what i have in mind. the shape would have to be drawn on a curved transparent film over a flat image of walt's face. even though the frame edge might not be sharp and visible, drawing out the shape this way can let us understand what the shape of walt's frame actually is when it's 2d. I would try doing it but I don't have transparent film sheets.

The front frame tilt is 8-10 degrees. A 43mm box will become 42.3mm after tilting it, at 10degrees. Don't worry. I remain optimistic but I don't think there's much else I could do. Thanks for your offer to help. I am using Adobe illustrator. If you'd like, I can mail you the file to see if you can adjust it to something you think is better - if you have illustrator, that is. Even I had tried to gather screenshots where Walt is looking straight at the camera from that exact part of season 1, but no matter all our efforts in getting the best high res photos, we'd have the same problem in the end.

I also can't wait.

While you guys sort this out, here are some options for the acetate tips and the frame color:

https://i.imgur.com/OqUtuGN.png

Let me know what you think...

Kind regards,
Magnoli

I like that one. Y267. It looks closest to what my aden frame has (on the images I posted of it on the bb props thread)

here's what the temple tips look like on my aden frame. they almost look black when light isn't reflecting directly from them.


also, the color is a brushed bronze. And whatever base curve that matte gold frame has, it looks very good.

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Here's another acetate option for the tips:

What do you think, glossy or matte finish?

And here is the updated design for the frames:

 

[J EM]

This is what still needs work - in red. I crossed what needs to be changed and circled what needs to be speculated on.

The frame looks a little too flat now. Maybe the 450-6 base curve will be better.

The bridge placement. When I measure the schematic, the top edge of the bridge is 6mm downward from the top lens edge. I've measured, after scaling three photos (Walt's face on the season 1 poster, the screen used weathered pair, and this one and get 7mm on all three. Even when taking the the 9degree front frame tilt into consideration, 1mm isn't lost when measuring that distance of a tilted frame. So, that 13.5 should be 12.5

The bridge length. 21mm from lens to lens.

The top view bridge thickness. I think it's too thick but I can't be sure how much thinner it should be. I did mention that my aden frame has a bridge made from a 1.6mm thick round wire that is flattened to appear 2mm on the front and 1mm from the top view. These are the best images I have of Walt that give us an indication of how thinner the bridge should be from the top (or bottom) view. If anyone else has anything better, please post!

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You'll have to zoom in a lot to see that it's thinner at the center.

Lastly, the length from the 4mm edge of the temple to the 2.5mm taper is 70mm. Everything else is still as follows.

One thing that may be worth mentioning. The corner pieces...it's always the corner pieces, eh? Despite being 1.5mm thick at the edge by the hinge, they're 1mm thick at the front edge of the frame - over the portion that goes over the lens 'screw block.'


I'm still going with the y267.

glossy

 

[Westies14]

Gotta defer to J EM on that count as he's got a pair from the manufacturer/era in hand. Thanks for showing us options, Indy!

 

[SquidMan]

Thank you for your continued hard work, everyone!
Indy Magnoli, it looks like the hinges are still on upside-down and the corner piece brackets that hold on to the lenses on either side are too small.

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Ok, everything noted... stay tuned!

 

[J EM]

Edit: Nevermind this post. I hadn't confirmed when I posted this, but the shape Indy Magnoli drew on the revised schematic is a near exact match to the right lens! More than the gif I did below. Sorry, I'm just relieved the shape will be right after all!
[strike]I bring news regarding the lens shape of Walt's frame. Again.

Anyone who might have looked at the season 1 poster long enough would recognize that the frame appears to have different shaped lenses. At first, I didn't understand why and thought it might have been that BC had his head tilted a bit to the side. I realized that the lens over his left eye is closer to his face which means it's tilted more. Crooked. You can see this even in multiple high res photos, like the one Westies14 posted as reference for the bronze color, and even in screencaps directly from the show.

All this time I was drawing the lens over his left eye, which is why it may look too "boxy" - squarish perhaps, because that's what it looked like to me.
@Westies14
I drew a new shape using the right lens. It's not drawn to the nearest pixel and the shape of the bottom outer corners doesn't quite match the photo yet, but what do you think?[/strike]

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The first gif frame is version 17 - no tilt. The second is the same frame but given the forward tilt that eyewear has. Third frame - no tilt, fourth frame is version 15 (the last version I posted) for comparison with new shape.

 

[Westies14]

I think Indy's shape is almost perfect. If there was just the slightest extra hint of a curve on that outside vertical beneath the hinge I don't think it could be improved on without an original pair on hand!

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Ok... here's hoping that "third time's a charm"!

 

[SquidMan]

Ok... here's hoping that "third time's a charm"!

https://i.imgur.com/JwpsPVCh.jpg

Looks pretty dang close to me! J EM? Westies14?

 

[Westies14]

I'm sold

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Is the side shield hook meant to be symmetrical from the top view? Should one side not touch the arm?

 

[Carlo Lubatti]

I might be a little late but here are some pics of my "modified" On Guard SG301. I don't know if this could help anyone. I will provide measurements as soon as possible, I don't have any yardstick right now.

As you can see I removed the "double bridge". I admit it, I didn't really make a wonderful job here, and I also changed the temples because the original had different hinges (the recent ones " spring hinges").

Also, they are CLEARLY bent. I used them as my own pair.

Anyway, they look almost identical to Walt's ones (excluding the evident differences).

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[Indy Magnoli]

Ok, J EM seems to have been our most vocal contributor, so we're just waiting on a final thumbs up from you to get started on the prototypes....

 

[SquidMan]

Is the side shield hook meant to be symmetrical from the top view? Should one side not touch the arm?

Yes, from everything we've seen, the hooks are more akin to "loops" -- there are no gaps.

 

[Westies14]

Yes, from everything we've seen, the hooks are more akin to "loops" -- there are no gaps.

Excellent

I think this is about as well as they could be designed without sending Indy a genuine pair to dissect! Awesome work.


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[J EM]

Ok... here's hoping that "third time's a charm"!

https://i.imgur.com/JwpsPVCh.jpg

ok. That new base curve looks to be it!

There is one thing that was reverted back to an old version. The bridge. It's no longer welded directly on top of the frame as it was in version 2 of the schematic, which was more accurate. Sorry to mention it, but it's already so close!

I might be a little late but here are some pics of my "modified" On Guard SG301. I don't know if this could help anyone. I will provide measurements as soon as possible, I don't have any yardstick right now.

As you can see I removed the "double bridge". I admit it, I didn't really make a wonderful job here, and I also changed the temples because the original had different hinges (the recent ones " spring hinges").

Also, they are CLEARLY bent. I used them as my own pair.

Anyway, they look almost identical to Walt's ones (excluding the evident differences).

The sg301, despite being a fantastic frame, does have inaccuracies other than the double bridge and the bridge style itself. The frame side corners are 1mm wider, the lens width is smaller by 2mm, and the top outer corners are not as round as they are on Walt's frame. These lens differences make the sg301 appear to be straighter than it is. It may not seem like much, but it does make a difference. Not only that, but there seem to be quality control issues with Hilco frames, not major ones but odd ones. Hilco has them listed as a non spring frame (with a 17mm bridge in the 53mm size) - with photos of a frame with non spring hinges on their website - but you received one with spring hinges. And the bridge, again, can either be 17mm or 18mm despite what's advertised. Out of what currently exists, the sg301 is still the closest. Every other frame has a lens that is not as wide as the lenses are on Walt's glasses, making them look too rectangular or oval-like in comparison. The Kenmark W021 would make a good match for its simplicity, but in its smallest size, the lens length is 1mm longer and the width is smaller by 4mm. 2 more than the sg301.

Anyway, I am glad you found this thread, Carlo Lubatti! You should consider purchasing one of Indy Magnoli's Walt glasses. Once they come to be, they really will be the most accurate glasses to Walt's that anyone can buy beside an original from a safety eyewear line that ceased to exist 15 years ago.


That said, I remember what one user said about Walt's glasses being a Sears purchase. Yeah, I doubt that now. By the time BB was in production, Hilco's onguard and a2 metal frames were already dominating in the north American safety eyewear industry. Aden frames don't meet 2003 American safety eyewear standards. I recall what another rpf user said about them being vintage and likely having been found in a box. While not vintage, it is likelier they were found in said box.

 

[Indy Magnoli]

There is one thing that was reverted back to an old version. The bridge. It's no longer welded directly on top of the frame as it was in version 2 of the schematic, which was more accurate. Sorry to mention it, but it's already so close!

That was actually an intentional change. After discussing the narrowing of the bridge to 1.5mm, our head engineer thought having the bridge only connected on the face of the frame would cause a weakening issue. We opted for setting part of the bridge into the side of the frame, but still keeping the narrowing at the center. I figured this was the most accurate we could get without weakening the glasses. The other option was to have the bridge on top, but with the thicker measurements of v2.

 

[J EM]

That was actually an intentional change. After discussing the narrowing of the bridge to 1.5mm, our head engineer thought having the bridge only connected on the face of the frame would cause a weakening issue. We opted for setting part of the bridge into the side of the frame, but still keeping the narrowing at the center. I figured this was the most accurate we could get without weakening the glasses. The other option was to have the bridge on top, but with the thicker measurements of v2.

I see! I was wondering if it was designed as such with strength in mind. In that case, version 3 should be it