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Unlimited Run Bookhouse Boys (Twin Peaks) embroidered patch
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SquidMan
Sr Member
I'm sure the first run will be enough for me, I already put myself down for 2 of those, haha. Excited to see how they turn out! When do you expect the first proofs to come in?
I've approved the design and now I'm waiting on the "technical mockup", which they describe as the file that "the machines making your products get to 'see.' " Should have that within a week.Then, they should produce a sample within 4 days of approving that. I'm excited to see how it sews up! I was a little doubtful that they'd be able to follow my more esoteric requests (like embroidering each branch separately within the green area) but they seem confident that it won't be a problem.
All told, assuming everything goes smoothly (no need to make a ton of edits to the mockup, sample looks good, etc.) they're estimating final order delivery in the first week of June.
SquidMan
Sr Member
That's great, especially about the branches. Excited to see how the sample turns out!
weldingdude
New Member
Very interested!
Put me down for 2 of these please!
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Put me down for 2 of these please!
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Received my first sample from the patch maker! I'm guessing that the difference in color between the left-side green and right-side green (and the sword's blade vs. the hilt) is simply because the embroidery reflected the light from the scanner in different ways, depending on which direction the stitching was oriented.
I'm quite pleased with it in general, but I'd like to get as much feedback as I can before writing back to them.My current thoughts, looking at this sample and the reference photo side-by-side:
- I think the thread used for the sword is skewing slightly too dark. I was trying to split the difference between the colors of the highlights and lowlights in the reference picture, but seeing it now, I think it should be more yellow. I think maybe the color showing up in the highlights on the hilt might be more ideal.
- The blade of the sword is kinda wonky compared to my art--I wanted it to be a bit asymmetrical, but this is more than I had bargained for. The left side of the blade was supposed to be ever-so-slightly narrower than the right side of the blade, but here it appears to be the opposite. And the more I look at it, I'm starting to think that the whole blade is shifted slightly to the right of where it should be (i.e., not quite aligned with the hilt)
- I asked them to divide the tree trunk into "chunks" like they did with the branches, to add a bit of bark texture...but it looks like they might have only done that on the left side of the trunk, as the right side of the brown section looks pretty smooth. Am I missing something, or do y'all agree?
- I want to confirm that there aren't any black outlines extending out into the left-hand green portion...it's slightly hard to tell whether I'm just seeing shadows between the "chunks" of embroidery, or if there is actual black stitching present for some reason.
SquidMan
Sr Member
That's looking really nice so far!
In response to your thoughts:
I definitely think that any differences in color on either side is due to reflecting light, as you said.
The sword thread color is definitely a little too dark, should be more yellow than orange.
About the asymmetrical look of the blade, look closely at the crew member's patch--the black outlined part of the left side IS indeed wider than the right, as on your patch. It's just that the green bits intrude into that area and make it look narrower than it actually is. I do think, however, that the overall blade shape on yours should taper more into a sharper tip to match the crew member's patch. The outlines of the blade on your patch look more straight/parallel than tapered. I think this shape disparity is the most noticeable inaccuracy of your patch.
The "chunks" in the branches and trunk look great! Glad they were able to do that. I think there are chunks on the right side too, you can very faintly tell that they're there, you just can't see them very clearly because, like the branches, the right side looks less contrast-y because of the lighting. I would assume that what looks like black stitching on the left side of the branches is either shadows or small frays/knots in the black outline thread of the blade, or both. But asking the patch maker directly would probably be best to be sure.
I have two more pieces of feedback: The handle stripes on your patch are significantly more rounded than the ones on the original, and the longest bottom left branch is closer to the outer red circle on yours than in the original.
This is a great start! Thank you for sharing the progress!
Thank you for your detailed feedback! :thumbsup I'm putting together some images that I'll send the producer to illustrate the feedback more clearly, but for now here are my responses:
Re: the blade - Now that you point it out, I agree about the green encroaching past the left-hand outline and making that side of the sword look narrower. I think you're right about it needing to be slightly more tapered, too. I still feel like the whole blade is slightly too far right, relative to the hilt. Plus there's a small spot on the top-right side of the sword where the outline bends out into the green portion.
Re: the bottom-left branch - I see what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that it's noticeable enough to be worth changing...mostly because shortening it would throw off the proportional relationships between all of the branches on the left side. It might require a more substantial pattern adjustment than I want to deal with, you know?
Re: the stripes on the grip - In my patch artwork, I intentionally added some slight rounding/waviness to the sides of the grip to give the impression of ribbing like you might see on a real sword (lineart and inspiration pic below). Although this isn't strictly accurate, I felt that avoiding perfectly-straight lines on the grip would make my idealized design feel more "organic"...and I figured that while it's noticeable blown up on my screen, the waviness would be much more subtle on a 2.4" patch. (Try shrinking down the image to 2.4" on your screen, and let me know if you're still not a fan of it!)
That said, even if I keep the ribbing on the sides, I plan to ask them to make the horizontal lines a bit straighter, and maybe make the crossguard a bit thinner/less tall.
All righty, I've mocked up some diagrams that should hopefully convey all of the feedback at the level of detail that we're looking for.
SquidMan (and anyone else with an opinion!), how do you feel about this feedback so far? Do the suggested outlines match what you had in mind?
SquidMan
Sr Member
Perfect, looks comprehensive to me! And good compromise on the hilt ribbing.
I see what you're getting at, but after looking at it on a few different monitors (including my photographer girlfriend's "color corrected" work monitor) I'm not 100% convinced it needs to be changed. My theory is that the appearance of the green is misleading, due to:
(a) the sword currently being a darker color than it is in the original, causing the green to look lighter in comparison, and
(b) the sample being much more brightly lit than the reference photo--in this case, I think the reference photo's dimness is making the green look darker than it actually is
I did some fiddling around with the eyedropper tool, and I've made an attempt to compare--as fairly as possible--the lighter/midrange/darker tones that can be seen in both the sample and the reference pic. In both cases, I took the colors from the right-hand side of the tree, since the left side of the sample is blown-out from reflections, and the left side of the oiriginal is in shadow.
ALSO, upon further consideration...Looking back at the mockup, the blue/red/brown/gold Pantone colors they selected look awfully close to the thread colors in the sample photo. Meanwhile, the green Pantone they selected is pretty much exactly the color I wanted, but the thread color looks brighter in the sample. This makes me lean more towards my theory that it's a trick of the lighting or whatever...I can't imagine why one thread would turn out so different from the others, compared to the Pantone colors they claimed they would be using.
...After all that, if you still feel strongly that the green thread is too light on the production sample, I can ask them to go a couple Pantone steps darker.
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FYI, I decided to compromise--I didn't specifically ask for a darker thread, but I reminded them that the green in the digital mockup was darker than the green in the sample, and I put a swatch of the color that it was supposed to be, so that they could see how it compares to the lighter thread in the sample.
Hopefully, they'll either (a) realize they made a mistake, and switch to the color they were supposed to use, or (b) confirm that the green thread IRL is truly accurate to the Pantone color, and tell us that the color mismatch is just due to weird lighting.
Hopefully, they'll either (a) realize they made a mistake, and switch to the color they were supposed to use, or (b) confirm that the green thread IRL is truly accurate to the Pantone color, and tell us that the color mismatch is just due to weird lighting.
SquidMan
Sr Member
The reason I think it's not the lighting making the green look "off" is that the red and blue are perfect--if the lighting was affecting the green color, then those other colors would be shifted as well. And it's not the color of the sword that's affecting it, because even with the sword covered, the green looks too light. But it may be the fact that the human eye can detect more different shades of green than any other color that is making me more critical of that particular hue, haha.
Either way, it's good that you reminded them which Pantone color it should be. Hopefully they fix that on their own.
I understand your argument, for sure. The way I see it, there is one of two possible issues at play here:
- they accidentally used the wrong color thread (because the Pantone color that we approved in the digital mockup stage looks like it should be dark enough), OR
- they used the right color, but the sample photo looks "off" because the green thread happens to be slightly more reflective than the other colors--or perhaps, because it's darker than the other colors, the reflected highlights naturally have a more dramatic effect on our perception of the color
If I put the two most evenly-lit sections of green right next to each other, they look awfully close...I could easily believe that the difference is down to a slightly-more-reflective thread in the sample (or shadows in the reference photo playing tricks, since the light source is angled way off to one side)
Either way, hopefully we can sort this out for good after the next sample!
SquidMan
Sr Member
Good points. I'm sure the next sample will look great. When do you expect it to come in?
Sample 2 has come in! Here's the updated color palette they suggested based on our feedback--a lighter yellow, with everything else staying as-is:
And here's the production sample compared to the last sample and the reference photo:
I think that among everything else, this really does illustrate how much the lighting angle can change the appearance of the thread. Considering that the gold thread is ostensibly the only one that's changed, you can see how the green and blue threads have distinctly different tints. Presumably that's a result of the light hitting them from a different angle, since the green has gone from shiny to matte, and vice-versa for the blue.
- I do think that this green looks a lot closer to what we were originally expecting based on the Pantone color.
- I'd like to see the lines on the grip straightened out slightly more, but it's easy to forget that these photos are way blown-up compared to a 2.4" patch--I have a suspicion that at the scale we're operating at, there's only so much control they have over tiny details like that.
- Within that same context, I think the shape of the sword is much improved, and it might be as refined as we can expect it to get at that scale.
- It looks like they've nailed the "chunks" of embroidery in both the green and brown areas.
So I think the biggest question is...how do we feel about the new yellow thread? To my eyes its slightly more yellow than the Pantone color they selected (should be more orange) BUT that might be simply a result of the yellow thread reflecting the light more than it was previously. I could perhaps ask them to take an additional picture or two from different angles, to get a better idea of how it looks IRL.
And here's the production sample compared to the last sample and the reference photo:
I think that among everything else, this really does illustrate how much the lighting angle can change the appearance of the thread. Considering that the gold thread is ostensibly the only one that's changed, you can see how the green and blue threads have distinctly different tints. Presumably that's a result of the light hitting them from a different angle, since the green has gone from shiny to matte, and vice-versa for the blue.
- I do think that this green looks a lot closer to what we were originally expecting based on the Pantone color.
- I'd like to see the lines on the grip straightened out slightly more, but it's easy to forget that these photos are way blown-up compared to a 2.4" patch--I have a suspicion that at the scale we're operating at, there's only so much control they have over tiny details like that.
- Within that same context, I think the shape of the sword is much improved, and it might be as refined as we can expect it to get at that scale.
- It looks like they've nailed the "chunks" of embroidery in both the green and brown areas.
So I think the biggest question is...how do we feel about the new yellow thread? To my eyes its slightly more yellow than the Pantone color they selected (should be more orange) BUT that might be simply a result of the yellow thread reflecting the light more than it was previously. I could perhaps ask them to take an additional picture or two from different angles, to get a better idea of how it looks IRL.
SquidMan
Sr Member
You're totally right about the lighting changing the look of the thread. The green definitely looks different here. I'd say with this new angle, it confirms that the green color is a good match.
The shape of the sword is definitely much better! And it would be great if the grip lines could be straighter but this is already looking a lot better.
As for the color of the sword, it's way too yellow to my eyes, but I now see that it's very dependent on the lighting conditions. Asking them for more photos of it from different angles is the way to go before giving them the final go ahead, I think.
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