Bond Franchise Nears Rescue

Yeah, Quantum's really pretty disposeable. I saw it this year on DVD and for the life of me can't really remember anything that happened except for a few minor things here and there. It felt more like The Transporter than an actual Bond film. Just a series of totally incoherent action sequences strung together loosely. Outside of that, I remember there was something to do with oil, an homage to Goldfinger, and then the few connecting bits back to Casino Royale that actually remain fairly clear to me. The rest of the film? Couldnt' tell ya. Lots of choppy editing. That's all I got.
 
Bond is actually a lot more sympathetic in the novels (unsurprising, since they're in a, damn, can't remember the exact term. but from a third-person subjective view point, seen in a sense through Bond's eyes). He does things like wonder why "bond girls" from previous encounters haven't written to him.

Anyway, I've said it before, but i'd love to see a redited version of Quantum.
 
Please don't let them decide to "reboot" Bond and remake any of the titles we already love. I'm ok with new stroylines, but please don't remake classics like Goldfinger or Live & Let Die.
 
Both of those are pretty close to the novel forms. It's ones like From a View to a Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Quantum of Solace, and Moonraker where you see major changes.
 
I am hopeful and very happy Craig will be back if that is the case.

I have seen each of the movies countless times and really think Craig nailed it.

Each Bond brought his own interpretation to the role and each had particular characteristics. Arguably, Bond can usually be defined in 4 words: masculine, egotistical, sarcastic, cold.

Interestingly, each of the actors chose to employ all of the above, yet one always seemed to shine more than the others:

Connery:
Masculinity

Lazenby:
Ego

Moore:
Humor

Dalton:
Cold

Brosnan is a bit harder to define because I do think he managed to combine all these traits rather well. Its def. not his fault DAD came off as cartoony, and I think he did well with what he had. I also think had the script permitted, he could have been much more human.

I think Craig might just be the most effective actor to play Bond. He hits all these marks and very well. While QOS might have needed a bit more coherance, I did like it a lot and still think Craig's performance was steller.
 
Brosnan is a bit harder to define because I do think he managed to combine all these traits rather well. Its def. not his fault DAD came off as cartoony, and I think he did well with what he had. I also think had the script permitted, he could have been much more human.

Couldn't agree more. Brosnan did the best ANYONE could've done with the material he was given. I think the problem with his era is all in the writing and productuion end of things. I think he personally really tried to make Bond more "real" and less of a cartoon. Uphill battle for him, sadly.

Basically, I loved Brosnan as Bond, but am lukewarm on his films.
 
Martin Campbell understands Bond better than any other director. He pushed Brosnan to be cold and intense. Dalton and Lazenby were both too precious at times. If Lazenby had just not tried to emote at all OHMSS would have been 10 times better. Look at how much mileage Hitchcock could get out of telling his actors not to act. ;)
 
Brosnan seems like a fun guy but his persona for me was just an update of the Roger Moore "smoothie", as my mum would say. And some of his clothes were just far too silly. Thought he was great in the Taylor of Panama though.
 
Martin Campbell understands Bond better than any other director. He pushed Brosnan to be cold and intense. Dalton and Lazenby were both too precious at times. If Lazenby had just not tried to emote at all OHMSS would have been 10 times better. Look at how much mileage Hitchcock could get out of telling his actors not to act. ;)

I actually think OHMSS gets unfairly maligned. It really isn't that bad a film. Naturally, there's the invidious comparison between Connery and Lazenby, but for a totally inexperienced and (as I understand) largely untrained actor, Lazenby is serviceable. OHMSS is also practically scene-for-scene a remake of the book, with only a few differences that I can recall. It even ignores stuff that happened in the Bond film franchise (IE: having met Blofeld once already, so the "Sir Hillary Bray" thing makes ZERO sense). As such, I think audiences were completely caught by surprise at a Bond who is one of the closest to "Book Bond", who was remorseful, who could cry, who could fall in love, etc. To them, Bond was Connery, and Connery's Bond was a badass man's man who threaten to spank Moneypenny (and who knew she'd enjoy it, anyway), a love 'em and leave 'em type who could just as easily beat the snot out of a henchman, and then shoot another and say "You've had your seven."

Then you get Lazenby saying "This never happened to the other fellow." Cue record scratch sound effect.

Brosnan seems like a fun guy but his persona for me was just an update of the Roger Moore "smoothie", as my mum would say. And some of his clothes were just far too silly. Thought he was great in the Taylor of Panama though.

I think that aspect was more about the directors and scriptwriters. As I understand it, it was Brosnan's idea to have Bond get captured at the start of DAD and to show his torture. Brosnan really pushed to make Bond less of "Mr. Smooth" and more of a complex character (granted, not super-complex, just MORE than he'd been in the past). But at the same time, you had the pressures to throw in gadgets, sight gags, quips, and other "Bondisms."

Basically, I think it took DAD and all of its extreme awfulness (in spite of Brosnan's excellent suggestion -- the title sequence up until he meets Q and re-arms is an honestly good sequence in the film) to make the producers realize that the old formula just wasn't working anymore. They'd wrung the life out of it. It took all of that to get us to Casino Royale, which in my mind is one of THE best Bond films to date.
 
As I understand it, it was Brosnan's idea to have Bond get captured at the start of DAD and to show his torture. Brosnan really pushed to make Bond less of "Mr. Smooth" and more of a complex character (granted, not super-complex, just MORE than he'd been in the past).

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Have you ever seen "Callan"? There's a superb episode where the lead character, played by Edward Woodward, has been captured.
 
I think that aspect was more about the directors and scriptwriters.

In the extras (I think) of TWINE, at least two people involved in the production remark about Bond adjusting his tie as he takes the Q boat underwater as a quintesentially Bond moment.

And I'm like, "really?" Maybe a typical MOORE moment, but many of us would rather Bond not indulge in foppishness during life-and-death battles.

I was a little surprised Brosnan even did it, but I guess he was being a trouper.
 
Yeah, that's just it. the Bond series has gone through multiple iterations, even within runs with a single actor. I mean, compare Dr. No and From Russia With Love to Diamonds Are Forever. It's pretty clear by that point that nobody's taking it all that seriously. I think that dovetailed into much of the Roger Moore silliness. Moore's character never came across as having an edge, except in maybe one or two sequences. The one that stands out in my mind is in his (in my opinion) best film -- For Your Eyes Only -- when he tosses the pin onto the lap of the henchman whose car is perched on the edge of a cliff, which causes it to topple over and explode (naturally...). Granted, it's a bit cartoonish, but it's also Bond getting revenge for the friend the henchman had killed. That kind of stuff almost never happened in the Bond films of the Moore era.

Hell, even the two Dalton movies are quite different, as are the two Craig movies.

So, I guess what is "quintessentially Bond" to one person is not for someone else. It's so varied at this point that people sort of pick and choose the things they like. I mean, Bond can -- at different eras -- be cold and ruthless, masculine and sexy, or staid and dapper. It all depends on who's acting and who's writing, so which is the "right" Bond? This is why I turn to the books which, to me, provide a pretty consistent picture of the character.
 
Ian Fleming was fine with the "movie Bond".

Good enough for him, works for me.

Any other opinion is moot.

If they had gone with the "book Bond" there would have been one movie and done. Deep and brooding does not return people to the theater. It bores them.

If they'd all been the same it would have never lasted.

IDIC baby, learn it, love it, live it.
 
Ian Fleming was fine with the "movie Bond".

Good enough for him, works for me.

It doesn't really work though: Fleming died before all post-Goldfinger Bonds came to be. "Movie Bond" as we know it was almost entirely unknown to Fleming.

If they had gone with the "book Bond" there would have been one movie and done. Deep and brooding does not return people to the theater. It bores them.
Not so, the first two movies kept pretty close to the book character. It was their success that made the series possible.
 
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