Bladerunner Theory: Deckard has Gaff's Memories
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I get a kick out of the "Deckard is a Replicant Because Ridley Said So" theory.
Ridley didn't write the book, or the screenplay. He personally thought Deckard was a replicant and made 42,000 edits to various prints of the film to try and make his point.
PKD himself said Deckard was human. So he's human. I could care less what Ridley thinks. The guy's about as pompous as they come and I can barely stand sitting through his intros to the versions in the box set.
Ridley didn't write the book, or the screenplay. He personally thought Deckard was a replicant and made 42,000 edits to various prints of the film to try and make his point.
PKD himself said Deckard was human. So he's human. I could care less what Ridley thinks. The guy's about as pompous as they come and I can barely stand sitting through his intros to the versions in the box set.
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robn1
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I don't think anyone's doubting that, we just don't like it. Scott just doesn't know what a good story is. That's OK, Lucas doesn't know what Star Wars is about either.
If Deckard is a replicant, then the story is just a Twilight Zone twist ending, cool but nothing more. All through the film we accept that the replicants have achieved a human level of emotion. If Deckard is one of them, then his emotional awakening at the end has no real meaning. Another robot becomes human, so what. The robot teaching the human how to be human is the better story. If Scott doesn't see this then that's OK, at least he made it ambiguous enough that it doesn't matter.
Larry Young
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And the Force is just midawhatzits in your blood.
Who buys that?
Who buys that?
Force Commander
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Batty proves that he is beyond being a simple tool and becomes human when he saves Deckard. Deckard reclaims his own humanity when he too realizes Batty is human, or has just as much right to life as a human.
Life and the respect for life is the central theme here. The Voight-Kampf test looks for that during the questioning. In a society where life is held so dear, anyone with abnormal or forced reactions to the taking of life or even the abuse of life is easier to spot. In the end, Batty passed the ultimate Voight-Kampf test.
Life and the respect for life is the central theme here. The Voight-Kampf test looks for that during the questioning. In a society where life is held so dear, anyone with abnormal or forced reactions to the taking of life or even the abuse of life is easier to spot. In the end, Batty passed the ultimate Voight-Kampf test.
Why did the police let a replicant capable of violence quit and go to wander the streets?
"I need the old blade runner, I need your magic."
Deckard as human. That statement makes total sense, years of service for the police.
Deckard as replicant, it's admission that Bryant had to be in on the conspiracy to pretend Deckard was an old veteran even and he let a replicant quit and walk on the street freely.
"If your not cop, your little people."
Even the threat supports he is a "people".
Why would you be threatening a replicant that was supposed to be your made to order slave? The Nexus 6 was a very serious problem, "the worst yet".
Why not order up a few assasin/combat models and take care of business swiftly instead of this rebelous and burned out model?
Tyrell surely would have been very happy to help.
Why wouldn't you just implant memorys that are conducive to a happy to do your blade runnery killing job?... I love it, can't get enough of it.
Oh he was burned out even as replicant?
Order up a fresh one in his prime.
"I need the old blade runner, I need your magic."
Deckard as human. That statement makes total sense, years of service for the police.
Deckard as replicant, it's admission that Bryant had to be in on the conspiracy to pretend Deckard was an old veteran even and he let a replicant quit and walk on the street freely.
"If your not cop, your little people."
Even the threat supports he is a "people".
Why would you be threatening a replicant that was supposed to be your made to order slave? The Nexus 6 was a very serious problem, "the worst yet".
Why not order up a few assasin/combat models and take care of business swiftly instead of this rebelous and burned out model?
Tyrell surely would have been very happy to help.
Why wouldn't you just implant memorys that are conducive to a happy to do your blade runnery killing job?... I love it, can't get enough of it.
Oh he was burned out even as replicant?
Order up a fresh one in his prime.
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robstyle
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Your still missing the big picture about Deckard,
Deckard as we see him wasnt retired, he was newly activated with memories of another Deckard or others before him. He had no friends, no family, spoke of an ex wife that called him cold (memories). Memories are just that, they are not fabrications but actual memories. Any happy killer psycho cop doesnt exist so those memories are not available.
The problem with allowing replicants to "roam free" as you refer is, regardless of whats going on, appearance and laws need be upkept. Its simple psychology, allow someone to make the decisions that effect their own outcome regardless if they are aware they are doing your bidding. Girls do this to guys on a minute by minute basis. Deckard did nothing but work, think about work, work work work...
Tyrell did help, again the Tyrell we see is replicant himself. As mentioned the human race is near completely sterile as is most other life left on Earth. In the end replicants will carry on the human race until that implodes, memories become (for lack of a better term) inbred and history repeats itself. These are not my doing but in place in pre-production, production, filming, editing...
Lastly, replicants are not perfect and neither were the ones we see in Blade Runner. Batty is actually not in great physical shape, balding, has a lisp. Pris isnt very smart, has pimples, is horrible at fighting. Leon is a fat balding lug that doesnt seem to be able to find his way around a circle in an empty room, Zhora, even as supposed to be an assassin, cant seem to kill a cop, hide very well in a crowded street and has the body of a Thursday afternoon stripper.
However, they are easy to spot on Earth. They stand out just as I do when I hit the Marukai market and am a foot taller than the next tallest person in the room. Everyone left on Earth is an undesirable unfit for the Offworld. Deckard is obviously here for a reason.
Deckard as we see him wasnt retired, he was newly activated with memories of another Deckard or others before him. He had no friends, no family, spoke of an ex wife that called him cold (memories). Memories are just that, they are not fabrications but actual memories. Any happy killer psycho cop doesnt exist so those memories are not available.
The problem with allowing replicants to "roam free" as you refer is, regardless of whats going on, appearance and laws need be upkept. Its simple psychology, allow someone to make the decisions that effect their own outcome regardless if they are aware they are doing your bidding. Girls do this to guys on a minute by minute basis. Deckard did nothing but work, think about work, work work work...
Tyrell did help, again the Tyrell we see is replicant himself. As mentioned the human race is near completely sterile as is most other life left on Earth. In the end replicants will carry on the human race until that implodes, memories become (for lack of a better term) inbred and history repeats itself. These are not my doing but in place in pre-production, production, filming, editing...
Lastly, replicants are not perfect and neither were the ones we see in Blade Runner. Batty is actually not in great physical shape, balding, has a lisp. Pris isnt very smart, has pimples, is horrible at fighting. Leon is a fat balding lug that doesnt seem to be able to find his way around a circle in an empty room, Zhora, even as supposed to be an assassin, cant seem to kill a cop, hide very well in a crowded street and has the body of a Thursday afternoon stripper.
However, they are easy to spot on Earth. They stand out just as I do when I hit the Marukai market and am a foot taller than the next tallest person in the room. Everyone left on Earth is an undesirable unfit for the Offworld. Deckard is obviously here for a reason.
Larry Young
Master Member
Yes, he was. "I was quit when I came in here; I'm just twice as quit now."
Right. You and me and Deckard and everyone else.
I don't know what that means.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Rob I believe was saying that they didn't have a human blade runner who enjoyed his job, whose memories they could implant into the replicant Deckard.
Which is pretty moot, since Deckard was human. :lol
robstyle
Master Member
Again your missing the "memories" part. Like I keep saying, regardless of what the original idea and outcome was intended youve sealed your opinion. Thats one of the most memorable things about Blade runner is its a movie that makes you think unlike the dribble formula crap pumping the screens anymore. If BR were made today it would feature massive panning establishing shots, blue leds in everything, an overweight curly haired or bearded (or both) sidekick thats supposed to be funny but is really just an annoyance, a catch phrase (Youve been Kampff'senated) and would probly drive whatever car product placement would get ahold of while everything is spelled out with big colorful pictures so even inbredded inbreds understand everything.
You forgot lens flares and LOTS of explosions. :rolleyes
Larry Young
Master Member
I'm not; I just don't think it helps illustrate your point, what with actual humans having actual memories, too. :lol
SSgt Burton
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Yes we understand that Deckard’s memories (of his ex-wife/job/life etcetera) works both ways in that they “could” be implants (which is a strong theme in PKD stories), however it is just too implausible to swallow considering just how “human” he behaved and how intricate these memories must be.
So he was activated... did they drop him off across the street from his favourite sushi bar (which of course is an implant as well) and sat him upright on the bench looking like a mannequin before flipping his on switch? (This is me being flippant here.
)However to be a little more serious for a moment-
If they implanted him with the memories of a cop to go after these elusive/dangerous Replicants, they could have at least done a better job with his abilities. I’m not talking about superior strength, I’m talking about just being a more efficient cop.
He goes to Leon’s apartment to gather clues. Why not just stakeout the place and wait for Leon to show up (which Leon almost did if Deckard wasn’t there first). Was he programmed to make mistakes? Shouldn’t catching these Replicants take precedent over making Deckard appear as human (flawed) as possible (to himself as well as others)?
He is nearly killed in each encounter with the Replicants and survives through luck. Zhora is spooked by witnesses (when she could have easily choked him to death), his girlfriend saves him from Leon, Pris (who is horrible at fighting?) would have stomped his head in if it wasn’t for her wanting to showboat.
And of course Batty saves his life. This is how they programmed him? To get his butt kicked? He isn’t even a good shot!
His only success is shooting two unarmed women (one of which in the back).
I don’t get that if he is a Replicant, and they go to all the trouble of making him believe he is human, why they would also give him all the frailties of the human mind. Why send an inferior robot to deal with dangerous superior robots?
Of course there is also the lack of drama if he is a Replicant. If he is killed, they could simply re-implant the false memories into another model and send him back out as if nothing happened. As a viewer how are you supposed to feel any sense of impending peril if our hero is essentially “immortal”?
And yes; (just to say it) you are not going to change my opinion nor do I believe I will change yours. No worries there. :thumbsup However my hope is that I might sway someone else who might be on the fence about this stuff.
Kevin
Warpaint
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I believe that Deckard is a human. A fractured, disconnected human being. He exists in a bleak, oppressive, wasteland of a world, devoid of all hope and spirit. This is why he appears so cold and machine-like; he is a hardened refelction of this enviornment.
It is my opinion that Deckard does not know for sure wether he is actually human or "more human than human". And why wouldn't he? Most of Humanity has left Earth, leaving behind little more than artificial life and dust -thus his constant struggle with reality, existence, perception, and paranoia.
Deckard is not a replicant, but Gaff just might be...
It is my opinion that Deckard does not know for sure wether he is actually human or "more human than human". And why wouldn't he? Most of Humanity has left Earth, leaving behind little more than artificial life and dust -thus his constant struggle with reality, existence, perception, and paranoia.
Deckard is not a replicant, but Gaff just might be...
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