Better Call Saul
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yaris
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I find it to be the exact opposite...as for Mike, he's no different from the beginning of BCS till the end of BB....just my OP
.......it is watchable, just think they should have started Jimmy out way differently, no arc at all.
I just binge watched two seasons and it's quite good. It's interesting to contrast the two brothers' world views.
They're diametrically opposed in their beliefs but neither is really the "bad guy." It's tempting to say their difference lies in a distinction between morals and ethics.
Jimmy is defined by his morals where the outcome justifies the means. He committed forgery to correct the "thievery" of Mesa Verde from Kim. Even his brother says that Jimmy doesn't set out to do harm people. It's unfortunate that Jimmy is typically too myopic to see the long term harm he does to others and himself. But he's trying to right perceived wrongs. That's why he will still come to help Chuck even after discovering he blocked him from getting hired or when he's gathering evidence for forgery against him. Because his relationships are what matters most.
Now let's take Chuck. Chuck is solidly defined by his professional ethics. Unlike Jimmy he will do everything to embody impartiality - even when he's clearly applying the tools of his trade for an advantageous outcome. He doesn't believe Jimmy deserves to be a lawyer but refuses to say it explicitly to Jimmy. Unlike his brother he does act with malicious intent but does so within the boundaries of his professional ethic. No doubt he's worked harder and sacrificed more to get to where he's at - I can understand his resentment in that Jimmy "expects" a free ride to the top. I feel bad that his mom's last words were. "Jimmy." In the dinner "lawyer joke" scene it's clear he's not comfortable with spontaneity. Maybe his wife left because he has no way to express himself emotionally. It shouldn't be surprising that this lack of expression gives rise to unresolved internal conflict ultimately manifesting as neurosis.
They're diametrically opposed in their beliefs but neither is really the "bad guy." It's tempting to say their difference lies in a distinction between morals and ethics.
Jimmy is defined by his morals where the outcome justifies the means. He committed forgery to correct the "thievery" of Mesa Verde from Kim. Even his brother says that Jimmy doesn't set out to do harm people. It's unfortunate that Jimmy is typically too myopic to see the long term harm he does to others and himself. But he's trying to right perceived wrongs. That's why he will still come to help Chuck even after discovering he blocked him from getting hired or when he's gathering evidence for forgery against him. Because his relationships are what matters most.
Now let's take Chuck. Chuck is solidly defined by his professional ethics. Unlike Jimmy he will do everything to embody impartiality - even when he's clearly applying the tools of his trade for an advantageous outcome. He doesn't believe Jimmy deserves to be a lawyer but refuses to say it explicitly to Jimmy. Unlike his brother he does act with malicious intent but does so within the boundaries of his professional ethic. No doubt he's worked harder and sacrificed more to get to where he's at - I can understand his resentment in that Jimmy "expects" a free ride to the top. I feel bad that his mom's last words were. "Jimmy." In the dinner "lawyer joke" scene it's clear he's not comfortable with spontaneity. Maybe his wife left because he has no way to express himself emotionally. It shouldn't be surprising that this lack of expression gives rise to unresolved internal conflict ultimately manifesting as neurosis.
kristen jones
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yeah... but there's "no development" in this show. :rolleyes
So far I've found it spectacular... and--as you have shown--there is PLENTY going on here...as long as one pays attention.
I'm halfway through Episode 5 of Season 2, and I'm bored. This show moves along a such a snail's pace. Way too much time spent on Kim Wexler. I don't give a damn about Kim Wexler. She's a total drip, and not even hot. Way too much Chuck, he's a freak and a bore. And even the season's first scene with Tuco was poorly written/shot/edited.
I struggled through Season 1, hoping things would be take off in Season 2, but so far, it's another dud season.
I'll keep watching--for now. But this series is greatly disappointing.
The Wook
ps~PLEASE, if you respond, NO spoilers. Thanks.
I struggled through Season 1, hoping things would be take off in Season 2, but so far, it's another dud season.
I'll keep watching--for now. But this series is greatly disappointing.
The Wook
ps~PLEASE, if you respond, NO spoilers. Thanks.
Lord Boron
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Looking forward to the return of Gus!
joeranger
Sr Member
OK, I watched the newest episode. It's good, despite the filler. Do we really need 5 minutes of annoying music and Cinnibon footage???
Like BB, the writing and characters of BCS are so good that each scene creates interest for a brand new story line. Suddenly they have a dozen or dozens of little mini cliffhangers, but they torment us with annoying music and mall scenes.
Like BB, the writing and characters of BCS are so good that each scene creates interest for a brand new story line. Suddenly they have a dozen or dozens of little mini cliffhangers, but they torment us with annoying music and mall scenes.
I really like the "future"/current segments of Saul/Jimmy working at the Cinnibun. I actually wished there was more of them; I love seeing the colorful Saul stuck in the doldrums of everyday mediocrity.
If there's only one thing I don't like about this show it's these contrived meetings with other characters from Breaking Bad. Mike, Gus and Tuco (despite how poorly written and portrayed I think the latter character was) were staples of that show, I don't need to see them again in this one in these odd, coincidental, and kind of force-fed meet ups which play out equally well as the reveal that Vader built 3PO.
If there's only one thing I don't like about this show it's these contrived meetings with other characters from Breaking Bad. Mike, Gus and Tuco (despite how poorly written and portrayed I think the latter character was) were staples of that show, I don't need to see them again in this one in these odd, coincidental, and kind of force-fed meet ups which play out equally well as the reveal that Vader built 3PO.
Great episode last night. Glad we're getting more Gus. I hope Chuck gets it in the end.
S'all Good Man!
Loving this show.
Loving this show.
Me too. I thought when he opened the drawer, a gun would come out.
WOW! Typical for Vince & Co. they drove off the road into uncharted territory. What is Mike up to? Who's body is that? Kim really showed she can keep her stuff together. Jimmy is being, well Slippin' Jimmy. Nacho is getting interesting too. He's starting to remind me of Mike. I wonder if nacho's plan will work. Its gotta be like 120 degrees in Nacho's money pick-up spot. Chuck looked like he was getting a little better, but still hasn't come to grips of how he treated Jimmy during his mental problems. So will it be Hamlin & Hamlin, without McGill? Next week looks like a fun episode!
Lord Boron
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