Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

[Riceball]

I love my Marvel movies but let's face it, prior to 2008 the general audience had no effin idea who Thor, Hawkeye, Black Widow or Iron Man was. Characters like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and even Green Lantern were exposed to generations with cartoon shows and other things.

You have a point about Black Widow and Hawkeye but I'd argue that the general audience before the MCU were at somewhat familiar with Thor and Iron Man, at least as familiar as with some DC secondary characters like Green Lantern. They weren't quite the household names as some of the DC characters were but they were featured in animated shows back during the '80s, it's just that they weren't remembered as widely as the Super Friends were and then they pretty much disappeared when DC started with Batman the Animated Series and produced Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. The same goes with Captain America, he was featured in an animated show for a while and there was a (crappy) live action TV series around the late '70s/early '80s.

As far as rebooting Batman for BvS, it makes perfect sense to me and it was something that had to be done in order to make BvS work. This is because the Nolanverse was a very grounded take on Batman, no super powers, no over the top villains, everything was more realistic, as realistic as you can make a superhero movie that is. Given that, Superman & friends would not fit in the Nolanverse, they'd be totally out of place and would be seriously breaking the already established rules of that universe. So what's Warner to do other than rebooting Batman (again)?

 

[KrangPrime]

As far as rebooting Batman for BvS, it makes perfect sense to me and it was something that had to be done in order to make BvS work. This is because the Nolanverse was a very grounded take on Batman, no super powers, no over the top villains, everything was more realistic, as realistic as you can make a superhero movie that is. Given that, Superman & friends would not fit in the Nolanverse, they'd be totally out of place and would be seriously breaking the already established rules of that universe. So what's Warner to do other than rebooting Batman (again)?

the other thing that gets me about that...it might have been a poor choice on their part. I Think Begins came out a few years before Iron Man did, right?

If Marvel had an idea to do a sprawling cinematic universe that was connected from the start, so they could get to avengers...possibly started around the time batman came out...
I wonder if WB had those same plans back in 2005. and if they did, why would they make the nolan verse so realistic, where super powers would look out of place if it came into play one day? wouldn't it be easier to make it all one universe, rather than having to reintroduce everyone from the ground up each time a film came out?

or did they make the nolan verse as a planned stand alone series....to test the waters (since I think the public's last image of a WB super hero movie was Batman and Robin)?

 

[Solo4114]

I think the simple answer is that DC/WB did not have any notion to do an interconnected film universe, really. Maybe back in the 90s with some Batman/Superman team-up film that never made it out of brainstorming sessions, but they had nothing in mind like Marvel. And they clearly recognize the benefit of the approach, because Marvel now has the ability to turn ANY of its characters, no matter how obscure, into a multimedia mega-star. DC wants to be able to do the same thing.

The reason I think that BvS and the JLA thing seem rushed is that, although the JLA movie may be 4-5 movies away, they're introducing a ton of characters in this film. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Carrie Farris, Doomsday, Lex Luthor, AND we're supposed to have Superman face off against Batman?

Think about all of the story beats they have to hit in this film, in 150 minutes. I mean, yeah, that's a long film, but I actually don't think it'll end up being long enough. For these other characters to be anything other than cameos, for their story beats to actually have time to register with audiences, AND to give the rest of the story time to play out, you're gonna need a lot more time.

That's why it seems rushed to me.

 

[drcraig13]

You know for certain cinematic moments in our history I feel that executives should get out of the way of film makers (to a certain extent). If this movie needs 200 minutes to make since and be awesome then so be it. Same thing with SW. I mean "Gone with the Wind" would have sucked if it were only 2 hours long. I think there are certain times and exceptions that this additional length would be to the detriment (or more importantly bottom line of a movie) and I feel that this could be one of those times.

 

[Zombie_61]

Don't agree. Yeah, it happens to align with the idea of rushing it, but it fits nicely. It's a different approach. No one that goes to see Wonder Woman as a standalone film will be anyone that won't already go and see Batman v Superman - I'm speaking broadly of course, in terms of "audience", not individuals. So releasing that first wouldnt achieve anything, it's story is chronologically before BvS sure, but I don't think it will impact as heavily.

The Affleck Batman movie - this is pretty much that as far as we can see. If I'm going to take a swing in the dark with a criticism for this movie, it's that personally, I wanted to see Superman get some further decent development - so if I was going to stretch, I'd rather have seen what this would have been (MoS 2) if things had panned out normally. At no point do I think what's happening is a mistake though.

DC have gone all out, they've created TV specials etc and used people that are very knowledgeable and that have been involved with the process (Geoff Johns etc) to give us insight into this movie. It's a smart strategy in my eyes - they have arguably the two most well known heroes on the planet - they're using them to bring in each of those audiences. They're dragging in the Wonder Woman audience with her inclusion in the trailers. Once people have seen this movie, it's pretty much a guarantee that every single one of those audience will buy a ticket for Justice League.

Even if this is a mediocre to good film instead of a great one (for whatever reasons). We will all come back for JL. So having less grossing solo films in the meantime isnt really a requirement I don't think. In story terms, this film was written pretty much exactly to pick up our criticisms of MoS - fingers crossed it hits those beats, but that's the story they are telling. A reaction to exactly what we didnt like about MoS. I love that to be honest. Avengers was planned - and I loved that too, but this isnt that. They have to do whats right for them and their story (and ticket sales) otherwise we don't get to see our favourite heroes on the big screen in the future.

Valid points, and I really can't disagree with any of them. I do think they're pushing it a bit by throwing Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Lex Luthor and whoever else they can think of in the same movie so soon, but maybe that means we won't have to sit through all of their back stories again.

 

[dascoyne]

Valid points, and I really can't disagree with any of them. I do think they're pushing it a bit by throwing Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Lex Luthor and whoever else they can think of in the same movie so soon, but maybe that means we won't have to sit through all of their back stories again.

DC has the ingredients for a wonderful 8 course banquet.
Why are they mashing it all together and serving it as a single giant hoagie?

 

[Fawbish]

DC has the ingredients for a wonderful 8 course banquet.
Why are they mashing it all together and serving it as a single giant hoagie?

Man of Steel
Batman v Superman
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
JL Part I
The Flash
Aquaman
Shazam
JL Part II
Cyborg
Green Lantern Corps

Doesn't seem like a single giant hoagie to me? BvS is just spreading it's wings a bit earlier than some people feel comfortable with - and I think it's gonna work pretty well. The film will always have a slightly divisive viewing I think, its impossible to please everyone (though Deadpool did a pretty good job as far as I can tell!)

I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Fawbish]

Cheeky little Flash costume in the back there! Almost looks like his head will be slightly elongated, shaped for speed type thing like a speedskater/cyclist. If its lightly armour based suit too. Will be quite cool and fairly fresh/different for live action.

 

[drcraig13]

The Flash suit looks like a Hentai suit. Not a fan so far.

 

[KrangPrime]

whatever happened to simplicity? Paint it black and it could easily be a new batman suit. assuming the batman suit wasn't going for the burlap sack look.

 

[Fawbish]

If Wayne Enterprises is how he gets his suit, then it could make sense. Armour developed to withstand extreme friction and provide defense etc. Would make some sense if Bruce ends up funding the justice league in a similar way to Iron Man funding and developing avengers kit.

The standalone flash movie could end up with a more simple suit for some of the origin part, going back to this when its post justice league etc.

 

[drcraig13]

So now BvS is going to have an R rated version to copy the success of Deadpool? I mean seriously does anyone at DC have a clue. I really feel that they are doing everything they can think of or copy to try and make this turd a hit.

 

[Mr Mold Maker]

So now BvS is going to have an R rated version to copy the success of Deadpool? I mean seriously does anyone at DC have a clue. I really feel that they are doing everything they can think of or copy to try and make this turd a hit.

Ignorant statements like this do not help anyone. The rated-R version has absolutely nothing to do with Deadpool. :facepalm

You realize filming has been done for about a year at this point, right? I'd assume you also realize the film was submitted to the MPAA back in September of last year, correct? The rated-R version is due to sequences of violence that were shot well before the Deadpool release.. nothing else.

To say they're doing it to "copy Deadpool" is completely ridiculous.

 

[drcraig13]

@Mr Mold Maker. OK 1. I was relaying what has been written in articles on Yahoo and Google today. These are the words from the article not mine. I am well aware the movie comes out in a few weeks and I am aware that everything is already "in the can" since you like insider talk so much. But if you would have looked into what I said you could have found the articles that I was talking about and seen where yes they say they are going to have an R rated version on Blu-Ray directly in response to the success of Deadpool. 2. I find many of your comments to be "ridiculous and ignorant" but I don't call you out on them. If you have an issue with how I post don't read them. Thank and have a nice day.

 

[Westies14]

I believe they submitted the "more violent" cut to the MPAA after seeing how Deadpool fared, and believing they could ride some positive press from everyone who's excited about the "maturity" of deadpool. It's the same thing as Marvel's touting an R-rated Wolverine for no reason.

That said: Wolverine and Deadpool are one thing. An R-rated Superman/Batman movie? Proof positive that WB does not get it. I'll wait for Netflix, if I ever force myself to try watching this thing at all.

 

[drcraig13]

Here is a link to one of the articles that I read this in if anyone is interested.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/batman-v-superman-going-even-165918477.html

 

[Mr Mold Maker]

@Mr Mold Maker. OK 1. I was relaying what has been written in articles on Yahoo and Google today. These are the words from the article not mine. I am well aware the movie comes out in a few weeks and I am aware that everything is already "in the can" since you like insider talk so much. But if you would have looked into what I said you could have found the articles that I was talking about and seen where yes they say they are going to have an R rated version on Blu-Ray directly in response to the success of Deadpool. 2. Why don't you quit trying to be such a know it all dick about things. I find many of your comments to be "ridiculous and ignorant" but I don't call you out on them. If you have an issue with how I post don't read them. Thank and have a nice day.

If you quoted the article, or even read it honestly, you'd see just how INCORRECT your statement is. "THEY" never say anywhere in that article that it is a result of Deadpool being a success. The article writer (incorrectly) suggests it as a possibility, but that's as far as it goes. Speculation.
As I said, because you clearly missed it, the cut they submitted for the MPAA rating was submitted in September. Five whole months BEFORE the release of Deadpool. Are you saying that DC execs can see the future? Can they travel back in time to "copy" Deadpool with their R-Rated cut?

I've seen your posts as well, and quite obviously the only thing you've done here is hate on this movie. If at some point in your life, you're ready for a mature and fact based discussion, feel free. Until that time, I'll take your advice. Your posts aren't worth my time.

PS.
Name calling is for grade schoolers. While you're there I suggest you pick up some manners.

 

[KrangPrime]

That said: Wolverine and Deadpool are one thing. An R-rated Superman/Batman movie? Proof positive that WB does not get it. I'll wait for Netflix, if I ever force myself to try watching this thing at all.

I was thinking the same exact thing. I heard a description for deadpool. sex, killings and bare ass to me do not a fun super hero movie make. as well as loads of f bombs. sounds like the michael bay of super hero movies.

is that how the dead pool character usually is, or did they change it up so much it might as well be something else? re F4.


too me, it's almost like WB is trying SO DAMN HARD To say, look...we are no longer SUPERFRIENDS. this is modern day superman!

 

[cayman shen]

Wow, this movie has the stink of desperation all over it. Everyone else has gone home with a hot girl, and WB is frantically clutching a warm Bud Light and scanning the bar for anything without an eyepatch or dentures.

 

[Pikezer1337]

Lol the MPAA originally rated The Avengers as R for home release.
So much negativity in this thread for a movie that NO ONE here has seen. I'll keep my optimism and come back when the movie is released. Still sipping on my cup of tea thinking about the people who thought Justice League was going to be delayed:lol