Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Post-release)

[CharlesHouse]

Just wondering, how are they supposed to tie all these movies together into one shared universe when they seem to disregard previous movies? That would be like when the Avengers came out they ignored the first Ironman movie? Just kind of weird to me that they would wipe out the Nolan Universe when it was so well received. Looks like they would have wanted to build off of that.

This isn't really new.

DC disregarded previous movies twice now, first with Nolan's films rebooting after Burtonverse and now with this dismissing Nolan's movies. There have been so many Spider/Super/Angrygreenmen that it's pretty normal.

That said, of all the franchises that make sense to ignore the previous films, it's Nolan's. His films are completely different from the comics or any other film or television universe by design. It's the most elseworld of the DC franchises.

 

[CharlesHouse]

So because i dont follow your opinion your just gonna respond in a matter that says alot really :facepalm

Ignore him. The dude got angry and ignored me because I dare differ in opinion. He insulted me several times beforehand. He's a child.

 

[Snikt]

So because i dont follow your opinion your just gonna respond in a matter that says alot really :facepalm

Its funny how you took it in a negative way, when I was just asking. Thats the internet for you :facepalm. There is a story called All Star Superman that is worth a read, I was just going to suggest it if you havent read it yet, if you do, in fact, read comics... Like I was trying to find out by asking...

 

[niennumb1]

I'M CONFUSED. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO USE FAKE EGGS WHEN CLARK KENT WAS COOKiNG BREAKFAST???!!

 

[Dreddful]

I swear all I am seeing in the news is BvS bashing and stories about how his bombed its second weekend. Financially, this movie is by no means a failure. It almost seems like a Twilight Zone episode how many people are treating this movie like it is the worst thing to come out of Hollywood since Batman and Robin. BvS wasn't great and has more than its fair share of flaws...but seriously folks? I don't know who the WB pissed off, but they seem to have an awful lot of people trying to bring them down.

 

[TKRalph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TK8PwItCBw

Hahaha! Ok but WHY FAKE EGGS?!?!

 

[JD]

The Forbes interview with the character said he was a Junior and his father started the company.

That doesn't change the reasoning. The Forbes interview was fabricated to support and hype the movie... he mentions his father in the movie, too.

 

[Snikt]

I swear all I am seeing in the news is BvS bashing and stories about how his bombed its second weekend. Financially, this movie is by no means a failure. It almost seems like a Twilight Zone episode how many people are treating this movie like it is the worst thing to come out of Hollywood since Batman and Robin. BvS wasn't great and has more than its fair share of flaws...but seriously folks? I don't know who the WB pissed off, but they seem to have an awful lot of people trying to bring them down.

I think people expected more from a movie with the worlds 2 biggest super heroes. A cohesive story that nails the characters, not just a batman movie with a ****ty superman, and plugs for Justice League. Ya know, as much as I hated Batman and Robin, you could tell the franchise was going in that direction. I wanted/expected this movie to be awesome and it completely fell flat. It isnt a success yet either, it cost 400 million to make. I think a lot of peoples expectations were not met, I mean, even the filmmaking aspects of it are crap.

 

[CharlesHouse]

That doesn't change the reasoning. The Forbes interview was fabricated to support and hype the movie... he mentions his father in the movie, too.

Ok. Point being, it's possible that this isn't the character we expected, but the son. If that's the case, wasting time arguing about characterization is silly. If your argument is "I came hoping for this character and got a different one," that's fine. If it's "this person isn't playing the character the way the comics depict the character," then the difference is important.

 

[CessnaDriver]

Why DC Should Be Worried About Batman V Superman's Chinese Box Office


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-...man-V-Superman-Chinese-Box-Office-122447.html

 

[Dreddful]

I think people expected more from a movie with the worlds 2 biggest super heroes. A cohesive story that nails the characters, not just a batman movie with a ****ty superman, and plugs for Justice League. Ya know, as much as I hated Batman and Robin, you could tell the franchise was going in that direction. I wanted/expected this movie to be awesome and it completely fell flat. It isnt a success yet either, it cost 400 million to make. I think a lot of peoples expectations were not met, I mean, even the filmmaking aspects of it are crap.

True, but I think we are also getting spoiled as film goers as to our expectations. We seem to want the best every single time and refuse to allow anything that doesn't meet our high expectations be a success. We need to just sit back and enjoy movies for what they are.

 

[KrangPrime]

Why DC Should Be Worried About Batman V Superman's Chinese Box Office


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-...man-V-Superman-Chinese-Box-Office-122447.html

I'll never understand why they change movies so much to suit the chinese market to the point of the movie itself suffering.



this is america. if the american audience isn't enough to be concerned about, that we have to worry about a communist country...


the movie studios have far bigger problems than one BO return.

 

[cboath]

I think people expected more from a movie with the worlds 2 biggest super heroes. A cohesive story that nails the characters, not just a batman movie with a ****ty superman, and plugs for Justice League. Ya know, as much as I hated Batman and Robin, you could tell the franchise was going in that direction. I wanted/expected this movie to be awesome and it completely fell flat. It isnt a success yet either, it cost 400 million to make. I think a lot of peoples expectations were not met, I mean, even the filmmaking aspects of it are crap.

It was said earlier in the thread that there was an article out that said it had to make 850-900 to break even. 250 to make, 200 or so in marketing. Ticket sales are split with theatres, so just to get their money back is at around 900M.

I don't know where it's at world wide. It could be right around there right now - but you don't slate 2 sequels on break even.

 

[CessnaDriver]

I'll never understand why they change movies so much to suit the chinese market to the point of the movie itself suffering.



this is america. if the american audience isn't enough to be concerned about, that we have to worry about a communist country...


the movie studios have far bigger problems than one BO return.

Maybe it's no wonder that after abandoning the "mission statement" of Superman the character is losing it's way. But hey they won't offend
those sensitive markets.

 

[KrangPrime]

where was the negative review kevin smith gave BvS?

someone posted it in one of these threads and now i can't find it. wanted to show it to a friend of mine in media..

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I've read through all the comments in here and in the pre-release thread. I know there will be die-hards who will adamantly love this film no matter what. That's fine. I think you're demented if you do, but that's your right. I won't convince you otherwise. You won't bring me around to your point of view. It's not worth any of our time and energy to try. So. This guy sums up everything I would want to say about the movie perfectly, plus things I didn't even catch. So I'll let him do the talking.

The only thing I'll add to the discussion here (well, rather, over in the pre-release thread, which I don't want to keep adding to, now that the film is actually out). I've never had a problem with Metropolis and Gotham being right next to each other. Back when all the DC heroes were in their own little private universes, both were different parts of New York City, and it still works today. Metropolis is the world of Midtown Manhattan down to the Financial District. Wayne Manor was one of those old estates out on Long Island, and Gotham is the world between Manhattan and that -- Queens and Brooklyn. Maybe the Bronx, too. Boroughs that have always been a bit rougher than the more polished parts of the city.

I will also say I really wish Bruce had used the kryptonite to make/add on to a pair of gauntlets. For all that Zack drew from TDKR, I'm annoyed he omitted that. But then, this is the guy who borked the ending of Watchmen, so...

--Jonah

 

[karmajay]

I'll never understand why they change movies so much to suit the chinese market to the point of the movie itself suffering.



this is america. if the american audience isn't enough to be concerned about, that we have to worry about a communist country...


the movie studios have far bigger problems than one BO return.

China is on track to surpass U.S. as world's biggest movie market by 2017

 

[RougeAvenger81]

I'm not sure if anyone brought this up, or if Zack even did it on purpose, but did anyone mention the fact that "Jimmy Olsen" in BvS was Julian Luther? Lex's brother in Smallville? It took me about 5 minutes into the film for the light bulb to click on and go OOOOOOOO that's where I recognize him from.

 

[dbuck]

This guy sums up everything I would want to say about the movie perfectly, plus things I didn't even catch. So I'll let him do the talking.
--Jonah

Yup, nailed it. I've been reading Batman and Superman comics for over forty years, and neither of the clowns in BVS represents their personalities or ideology.

 

[JD]

Ok. Point being, it's possible that this isn't the character we expected, but the son. If that's the case, wasting time arguing about characterization is silly. If your argument is "I came hoping for this character and got a different one," that's fine. If it's "this person isn't playing the character the way the comics depict the character," then the difference is important.

WTF are you talking about? Read what I said - not what you think I said or what you wanted it to say. I said nothing about the "characterization," outside of the idea that Lex became a "Junior" to rationalize Eisenberg's casting.

I made no statement about hoping for any character or about the him not being like the comics. Not sure how you try to rationalize the Luthor we "expected" being Luther Sr., that makes little sense as the Luthor that we may have "expected" wasn't born in Germany and was Superman's arch-enemy - so that's not what most of us would've expected anyhow... so your point is lost on me.

I would've been happy with a better performance from whomever played Luthor.