Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Post-release)

[cboath]

Sadly, that's probably true.

The suits just don't get it. Sometimes (maybe even lots of times), it IS their fault. But they refuse to ever admit it. It's always something else. Lets see, if it really falls 70% - here are my guesses for excuses: People traveling for spring break, Piracy (it's always the fault of pirates, right?), unusually warm weather in the US had people doing outside things and not movies, honorable mention goes to, people being tired of superhero movies - which will get blown out of the water with captain america, and frankly should already be blown out of the water by deadpool.

 

[KrangPrime]

you know,

at first I wasn't really happy that Captain 2 was going to be a little more darker/serious than the first one.

but I think they pulled the tone off rather nicely, and it still had some fun spy like moments. the fury car chase and the widow, cap moments in the mall....not to mention the reveal with the living computer. and it still felt like part of the same universe as the first movie.

BvS's attempt at serious felt goofy or boring. like someone threw ideas at a dart board and didn't really plan anything. 'we need the president in this movie to show the threats big' 'ok, but what should he do?' 'how about authorize a nuclear strike on doomsday?' 'AND Superman? ' 'ooh, I just got chills....and a turned on...lets do it'...

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I would be perfectly happy if they leave Super-dork dead and buried. More Ben Batman please!

 

[dascoyne]

Saturday AM Update: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice takes a massive tumble compared to its opening day last weekend with an estimated $15.35 million Friday. That's an 81% drop from its opening day last Friday, which did include $27.7 million from Thursday previews, but even excluding those numbers you're looking at a 71.5% drop. Rival studios peg the film's second weekend dropping as much as 70%, resulting in a three day weekend around $50 million.

 

[cboath]

you know,

at first I wasn't really happy that Captain 2 was going to be a little more darker/serious than the first one.

but I think they pulled the tone off rather nicely, and it still had some fun spy like moments. the fury car chase and the widow, cap moments in the mall....not to mention the reveal with the living computer. and it still felt like part of the same universe as the first movie.

BvS's attempt at serious felt goofy or boring. like someone threw ideas at a dart board and didn't really plan anything. 'we need the president in this movie to show the threats big' 'ok, but what should he do?' 'how about authorize a nuclear strike on doomsday?' 'AND Superman? ' 'ooh, I just got chills....and a turned on...lets do it'...

Someone should also tell them that a dark tone doesn't equal dark scenes either. Everything dark and gloomy. The only sun I think we saw was in the sahara desert.

 

[harrisonp]

I feel bad, but a good 30-40% of my dislikes revolve around Lex and Lois. I thought she was totally out of her league in MoS, and even moreso in BvS. I get that she is important to the mythology, but she's either in situations that should totally kill her, or getting used to manipulate Superman.

 

[ELShenanigans]

To throw in my two cents here, I thought this film was just ok. I like the darker direction they were trying to take but they missed the mark with superman yet again, and it's getting tiresome. I almost thought that they had actually killed Superman off and maybe the justice league set up, Which was basically the purpose for the film, Was going to be done without superman (it was fairly obvious that was not happening though). Sadly, that prospect helped the movie a lot.

Unfortunately, just like the the superman living aspect, the entire movie was one big cliche after another. I knew where the story was headed in minutes and the end result was clear even from previews (again, intentional I know). The dream sequences were intriguing and thought provoking, and if the studio follows fan critique like they did with the destruction of metropolis in MoS, the next films could get better and better.

This is film really needed to be a jump starter and I'm afraid it's just another stand alone DC film.

And despite my critiques, I actually enjoyed the film for the most part. I just don't think it was the big success it needed to be to grow the franchise they wanted.

 

[Snikt]

Someone should also tell them that a dark tone doesn't equal dark scenes either. Everything dark and gloomy. The only sun I think we saw was in the sahara desert.

DC should just let Marvel do their stuff. I bet they would do a WAY better job. Captain America is more how Superman should be. I think Zack Snyder doesnt like "good" heroes, people that actually want to do the right thing. The stakes feel high in Cap 3, because of how good of a job Cap 2 did at telling the story, and develop/care about the characters. Its the tone, and understanding the characters that make Marvel beat the CRAP out of DC. Its not even a contest. I wanted BvS to be good, Im a big Superman fan, and man. I was let the hell down. Badly. :facepalm

 

[Mektar]

I agree we should let marvel do what dc is doing so we can get more underwhelming villains, misplaced humour etc. I love both franchises and enjoy both even tho im more into dc i can also acknowledge that BvS had flaws (sadface) which i posted earlier. Just a bit tired to see marvel being put on a pedestal even tho their track record has been anything but perfect.

 

[FirstPick]

I agree we should let marvel do what dc is doing so we can get more underwhelming villains, misplaced humour etc. I love both franchises and enjoy both even tho im more into dc i can also acknowledge that BvS had flaws (sadface) which i posted earlier. Just a bit tired to see marvel being put on a pedestal even tho their track record has been anything but perfect.

Nobody said they're perfect, but their tone and presentation is consistent. They have the correct vision for all of their characters and that's the main priority.

DC wants to be dark. They don't have to be dark. Batman is dark. Stop forcing that on the rest of their characters. BvS should've been about dark vs light in the DC universe. Batman vs Superman. Punishment vs Heroics.

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[Mektar]

DC's tone and presentation is also consistent even tho their track record is only 2 movies so far. Ye its dark and not all their characters should be dark. What started as plans for a MoS sequel quikly turned into a batman focused movie (even snyder pointed it out in an intervieuw in a way). I dont mind but alot of points in the movie should have been altered or even deleted. As said in previous post the actors portraying arent the problem but more so the ego of a director that wants his own vision on something that is already established.

I actually watched justice league vs teen titans yesterday and first thing that came into my mind was, this is how they should have been portrayed. At the start i gave BvS an 8/10 and now its actually lower unfortenatly. Why it still is higher then what most people would give is purely due to the fact that what i saw that was good and made me feel excited for future movies. Wonder woman and justice league ofc.

 

[teragon]

So basically you want more of the same marvel movies... No thank you. I don't want all the comic brands to have the same flavor, that would be boring as hell. Now DC has some work to do to tweak its formula, but copying Marvel sure as hell would be the least rewarding thing to do. They chose a tone, they better find a way to make it work. The tone isn't even the main problem, or even a problem, for most critics. I think they just need better stories.

 

[Mektar]

I think they just need better stories.

Or atleast less stories being pushed in 1 movie. Still upset about the end and how such a great story as the death of superman was wasted

 

[RougeAvenger81]

I could see, based on how Bruce acted at the end of the film, that Superman's sacrifice may help tame him a bit. He didn't brand Lex after all. So he may not have a no kill rule, which to me is a bit unrealistic to an extent, but I could see his moral compass change a bit in the next film simply because of Clark dying. IDK, Just my thought.

 

[Snikt]

I agree we should let marvel do what dc is doing so we can get more underwhelming villains, misplaced humour etc. I love both franchises and enjoy both even tho im more into dc i can also acknowledge that BvS had flaws (sadface) which i posted earlier. Just a bit tired to see marvel being put on a pedestal even tho their track record has been anything but perfect.

Like someone else mentioned, nobody is saying they are perfect. But if there were a contest of which movies were better, and handled the super hero genre, at least currently since the actual founding of the MCU, Marvel has kicked the crap out of DC. Im not even just saying that because I like Marvel, hell, to me, when Iron man first came out I was like "this is going to fail so hard, nobody even knows Iron Man", and I was totally wrong. I didnt even see it in theatres cause I thought "why bother" and I regret it. While I agree that some of the villains are weak (Iron Man 2, Ant Man), who are you comparing the villains in the DCEU? Zod? Zod again? Lex? I would take any Marvel villain over either of those. Zod was decent in MoS, but we have seen him before. What I am tired of seeing in the villains, is them having the same powers as the hero. That crosses both studios.

 

[Mektar]

Like someone else mentioned, nobody is saying they are perfect. But if there were a contest of which movies were better, and handled the super hero genre, at least currently since the actual founding of the MCU, Marvel has kicked the crap out of DC.

Thats is down to opinions and for me MoS was good and better then some marvel movies so y opinions

While I agree that some of the villains are weak (Iron Man 2, Ant Man), who are you comparing the villains in the DCEU? Zod? Zod again? Lex? I would take any Marvel villain over either of those. Zod was decent in MoS, but we have seen him before. What I am tired of seeing in the villains, is them having the same powers as the hero. That crosses both studios.

First of i wasnt comparing villains, i was stating that marvel villains have been poor. Either we got an oversized version of the hero or just a villain that was very dissapointing (Ultron). Secondly for me Zod was a great villain (i dare say he was more threathening then nearly every marvel villain) as was faora and the performance was by far better then what was delivered in the past. Wasnt a fan of lex tho and doomsday was a villain that was used too soon. That however is a totally different topic.

 

[cking]

I wonder if the magic that is Superman the Movie will ever be captured again?
Is it just because I'm older and more cynical now and can't watch these movies with the innocence of childhood eyes or is it just that they really are so unremarkable compared to the wonder of Richard Donner's first two Superman movies?

 

[CessnaDriver]

I wonder if the magic that is Superman the Movie will ever be captured again?
Is it just because I'm older and more cynical now and can't watch these movies with the innocence of childhood eyes or is it just that they really are so unremarkable compared to the wonder of Richard Donner's first two Superman movies?

No, it's not just getting older. They are seriously out of touch with the character. One can watch recent animated endeavors and they get him right.

 

[KrangPrime]

I wonder if the magic that is Superman the Movie will ever be captured again?

It's not just superman. they even managed to screw up batman a little in this one.

I don't know. when we move away from a time of innocence and new ideas.... things that worked in the past are seen now as too simple..so people feel the need to change things.
hence war correspondent/csi agent jimmy. or stalker superman.


People don't do what just works. they have to change, modernize, over think things. Or copy what they think works with other productions and hope they can replicate the same success..

If you truly don't get the characters, or love the world and property....it's not going to come out good.

Take the new Inspector Gadget reboot. Penny went from smart and intelligent and james bond....too a teenager more interested in evil boys. Gadget got even dumber if that was possible....and Claw is now reduced to dumb comedy relief.. Where as before he hijacked a nuclear missle and was going to destroy an entire city with it.....(along with killing a kid and her dog for trying to stop him).....now he's more interested in getting his evil cat hypnotizing website up and laughing at how cute the dancing animated kitties look (that was an actual plot...I didn't make that up).


You can't recapture the magic of what worked if your so desperate to either put your own spin on it, or update it for the sake of updation sakes... it NEVER ends well.

 

[dascoyne]

I wonder if the magic that is Superman the Movie will ever be captured again?
Is it just because I'm older and more cynical now and can't watch these movies with the innocence of childhood eyes or is it just that they really are so unremarkable compared to the wonder of Richard Donner's first two Superman movies?

Folks have argued that MoS being darker than the Donner Superman is just a reflection of more cynical times today, but that argument doesn't hold water.

If anything, the 1970's was even more cynical than today. It was the age where every hero was an antihero. The 1970's brought us Taxi Driver, The Godfather, A Dog Day Afternoon, Straw Dogs, A Clockwork Orange, Soylent Green, Planet of the Apes, Dirty Harry, Death Wish, The Warriors, Midnight Cowboy, Deliverance ... etc. Just about every single film ended with the main character getting killed or in some other tragedy.

When Donner's Superman came out it wasn't a reflection of the times - it was a bold slap in the face to 70's "darkness." This was no accident. Lois Lane, in her obsession with reporting rape and violence, really represented the cynicism of the era. Superman/Clark as the socially naive and moral simpleton made for a good part of the dramatic/romantic tension with her. His ultimate triumph over evil (and winning over Lois) resonated with audiences (including this guy) who were burnt out on antiheroes. This is why Donner's Superman was a smash hit and will always be a classic.

MoS, on the other hand, makes no social statement and doesn't go against the grain. It simply tries its best to fall into line with the tone of Nolan's Batman, Watchmen, 300, Sin City etc.

The ironic fact is that Donner's Superman, in it's bold optimism, was a much "ballsier" film than the dark and brooding MoS.